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#1 weEvil

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 08:02 PM

I'm looking at Vista Ultimate & Sever 2008 x64 versions. Which one performs better once vLited?

I read that Server 2008 does not have all the DRM junk, so thats why it performs way better out of the box. Does vLite remove enough of that to reduce the performance gap?

Which one comes out lighter on the system?

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 10:19 AM

Best use a Vista Business x64 copy for vlite. Who needs the Ultimate extras? I sure as heck never will.

I successfully slipstreamed SP1 in an old Vista Business x64 image.
After that I slipped in the hotfixes, added some AHCI and Intel drivers and kicked out a lot of crap. If you want, I can post my Lastsession file for you.

I tried to get Windows Media 11 in there without DRM, but that didn't work. You have to either not install Windows Media at all during install, or choose to use a different WM release, if you want to NOT install the DRM crap. For me the WMedia plugin for Firefox is enough of the WM nonsense. I open all my movies with either KM-Player or Mediaplayer Classic anyway, except for some streams in my browser.

By the way, for Moz Firefox I can highly recommend:
http://adblockplus.org/en/installation and https://addons.mozil...efox/addon/4420

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 11:11 AM

Unfortunatelly I don't have Vista Business edition. Vista Ultimate will have to do.

What about Server 2008 x64? Does it work with vLite?

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 03:22 PM

brucevangeorge, on Aug 16 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

Unfortunatelly I don't have Vista Business edition. Vista Ultimate will have to do.

What about Server 2008 x64? Does it work with vLite?

I have recently vlite win2k8 x64 and yes it works. However with removing a few components the Add Features feature does not work that well, if at all for some components. Still trying to figure it out.... :unsure:

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 06:04 PM

banshee28, on Aug 16 2008, 03:22 PM, said:

brucevangeorge, on Aug 16 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

Unfortunatelly I don't have Vista Business edition. Vista Ultimate will have to do.

What about Server 2008 x64? Does it work with vLite?

This is from Geo411M, Works really well on ServerEnterprise

vLite preset file
;
;#Environment:
; vLite v1.1.6
; Framework 2.0.50727.1434
; Microsoft Windows NT 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 32-bit
;
;#Target:
; Windows Longhorn SERVERENTERPRISE 32-bit Service Pack 1
; Version 6.0.6001.18000 English (United States)
;
[Compatibility]
DriveimageXML
DVD Treasury
Halo 2
Hauppauge WinTV
KMPlayer
Aero Glass
File and printer sharing (Server)
Internet Explorer
Internet Information Services (IIS)
Recommended
Windows Fax and Scan

[CustomHide]

[Components]
;# Accessories #
Accessibility
Speech Support
;# Drivers #
Display adapters-Ati
Display adapters-Intel
Display adapters-nVidia
Display adapters-S3
Display adapters-SiS
Diva Server
Modems
Printers-Apollo
Printers-Brother
Printers-Canon
Printers-Citizen
Printers-Dell
Printers-Diconix
Printers-Epson
Printers-Fuji Xerox
Printers-Fujitsu
Printers-Generic printer
Printers-Gestetner
Printers-HP
Printers-IBM
Printers-Infotec
Printers-Konica
Printers-Konica Minolta
Printers-Kyocera Mita
Printers-Lanier
Printers-Lexmark
Printers-Minolta
Printers-Minolta-QMS
Printers-NEC
Printers-NRG
Printers-Oce
Printers-Oki
Printers-Okidata
Printers-Olivetti
Printers-Panasonic
Printers-QMS
Printers-Ricoh
Printers-Samsung
Printers-Savin
Printers-Seikosha
Printers-Sharp
Printers-Sony
Printers-Star
Printers-Tally
Printers-Tektronix
Printers-Wipro ePeripherals
Printers-Xerox
QLogic Fibre Channel Adapter
Scanners
TV Tuners-ADS Technologies
TV Tuners-ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
TV Tuners-AVerMedia Technologies, Inc.
TV Tuners-Compro Technology Inc.
TV Tuners-Conexant Systems, Inc.
TV Tuners-Creatix
TV Tuners-Hauppauge
TV Tuners-KNC ONE GmbH
TV Tuners-KWorld
TV Tuners-Lumanate, Inc.
TV Tuners-Philips Semiconductors
TV Tuners-Pinnacle Systems
TV Tuners-TerraTec Electronic GmbH
TV Tuners-VidzMedia Pte Ltd.
TV Tuners-ViXS Systems Inc.
;# Languages #
Arabic
Brazillian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Czech
Danish
Dutch
Estonian
Finnish
French
German
Greek
Hebrew
Hungarian
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Latvian
Lithuanian
Norwegian
Polish
Portuguese
Romanian
Russian
Serbian
Simplified Chinese
Slovak
Slovenian
Spanish
Swedish
Table Driven Text Input Processor
Thai
Traditional Chinese
Turkish
Ukrainian
;# Multimedia #
Music and Video samples
Sample Pictures
Shell event sounds
;# System #
Manual Install (Setup.exe)
Natural Language
Windows Easy Transfer

[Options]
DEP (Data Execution Prevention) = Default
User Account Control (UAC) = Enabled
AntiSpyware Realtime Protection = Default
AutoPlay = Enabled
Paging Executive = Enabled
Power scheme = Balanced
Power button = Shutdown
Sleep button = Do nothing
Hibernation = Default
Memory requirement = 256MB
Control Panel - Classic View = Default
Show hidden files and folders = No
Show protected operating system files = No
Show extensions for known file types = No
IE Phishing Filter = Default
IE Phishing Verification Ballon Tips = Default

[Protection]

[Drivers]

[Unattended]

[Hotfixes]

[LanguagePacks]

Just follow along in vLite

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 06:27 PM

circuitraver74, on Aug 16 2008, 08:04 PM, said:

It looks like he only removes a few "components". I guess the add features still works with this config?

This post has been edited by banshee28: 16 August 2008 - 06:28 PM

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 07:44 PM

This is a good config

[Components]
;# Accessories #
Accessibility
Speech Support
System Information
;# Drivers #
All of them
;# Hardware Support #
Internet Small Computer System Interface (iSCSI)
Smartcards
XBOX 360 Controller
;# Languages #
All of them
;# Multimedia #
Music and Video samples
Sample Pictures
Screensavers
Shell event sounds
Wallpapers
Intel Indeo
;# Network #
Internet Information Services (IIS)
Windows Mail
Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)
Simple TCPIP services
Telnet Server
TFTP Client
;# Services #
Error Reporting
IP Helper
IPsec Policy Agent
Windows Time
;# System #
Manual Install (Setup.exe)
Microsoft Agent
Natural Language
Tablet PC
Windows Defender
Windows Easy Transfer
Guided Help
Help [break the add feather]
Manual Install (Setup.exe)
Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications (SUA)

To answer your question, in my own experience Server 2008 and Vista SP1 have same performance. If you think that with Server you will get better performance think again.
I give you also a chart.
http://cid-5f1d3f5fca38bf7d.skydrive.live....erfRessmall.gif

This post has been edited by hannubys: 16 August 2008 - 07:52 PM

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 04:49 PM

Quote

Great information in that chart! I've never run XP64 myself. My current OS is w2k8ent x64, and my gut feeling is that it has a slight performance edge over Vista x64.
It would have been interesting to see Server 2003 among the contestants.

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 06:53 AM

That is a very interesting chart. Wonder where you got it from. Obviously someone spent a lot of time running all those tests and on all those different OS platforms as well!

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 08:46 PM

So I got a copy of Business. Thank you MSDN.

Its easier to get Aero through vLite than in Server. Too many dependencies for too little gain.

This post has been edited by brucevangeorge: 19 August 2008 - 08:46 PM

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:08 AM

Vista SP1, any edition.

#12 aviv00

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 09:45 AM

Which one comes out lighter on the system?

u mean faster or less space ?

faster i think server is faster

space its the same i think if u know to build it properly

This post has been edited by aviv00: 24 August 2008 - 09:46 AM

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 01:01 PM

meowing, on Aug 16 2008, 10:19 AM, said:

Best use a Vista Business x64 copy for vlite. Who needs the Ultimate extras? I sure as heck never will.
http://adblockplus.org/en/installation and https://addons.mozil...efox/addon/4420

I can't remember if it's neccesary to work or just to be legal, but you're supposed to use Ultimate with quad-core processors.
Also you don't have Media Center, Movie Maker, all that crap. For me, I would take Home Premium or Ultimate over Business anyday.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 02:08 PM

hannubys, on Aug 16 2008, 09:44 PM, said:

This is a good config

[Components]
;# Accessories #
Accessibility
Speech Support
System Information
;# Drivers #
All of them
;# Hardware Support #
Internet Small Computer System Interface (iSCSI)
Smartcards
XBOX 360 Controller
;# Languages #
All of them
;# Multimedia #
Music and Video samples
Sample Pictures
Screensavers
Shell event sounds
Wallpapers
Intel Indeo
;# Network #
Internet Information Services (IIS)
Windows Mail
Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)
Simple TCPIP services
Telnet Server
TFTP Client
;# Services #
Error Reporting
IP Helper
IPsec Policy Agent
Windows Time
;# System #
Manual Install (Setup.exe)
Microsoft Agent
Natural Language
Tablet PC
Windows Defender
Windows Easy Transfer
Guided Help
Help [break the add feather]
Manual Install (Setup.exe)
Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications (SUA)

I have just add the following component to remove and Server is working fine, also for add feature
zip folder
run a legacy cpl
mdac
jet database
disk quota
intel indeo
floppy disk
modem support

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 07:29 PM

sorbon1, on Aug 24 2008, 01:01 PM, said:

The Vista Ultimate EULA is for dual cpu systems and up. A quad is fine since its single socket.

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