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Has anyone tried looking at the Linux drivers and used the Win98SE driver kit that was posted in these forums awhile ago, to see if building better drivers was possible? I'd do it myself, only I am not a coder. :(

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What particular driver kit do you have on your mind?


The one from MDGx's site: http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm (search for "Driver Development Kit (DDK)" which should take you to his hosted Win9x DDK, which could conceivably be useful to resurrecting Win9x on newer systems for someone who knows how to make good use of it...)

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Has there been any movement on this?

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No.

See also: On questions having yes/no answers. ;)

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Looks like my log file is significantly shorter.

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Well. I did update the BIOS to 10.06, but I've encountered a few difficulties on the way.

- The built in Alt-F2 update procedure does not support SD card USB devices. A pen drive is necesary.
- The Alt-F2 procedure have stuck on Reading 900.ROM message. I had to power the computer down. It could be related to the fact I've used a 16GB pen drive with two partitions on it.
- Everything went fine when I've used AFUDOS.EXE flash update utility.
- The bios defaults had to be restored after the flash update.
- It looks like the BIOS update procedure triggered the battery charging on, as well.

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Hi, Sfor!
Certainly the pen-drive with two partitions was confusing to the <Alt>-<F2> routine, because when I did it (three times already, by now) I've always used a 16 GB pen-drive, too, but having just a single partition in it, and all went well. And thanks for the heads up about SD cards, I didn't know that. BTW, was it a true SD or a SDHC card you used?
Changing subjects, I've puzzled about the Dependency Walker log you've posted since the first moment I saw your post... I'm sorry to say I cannot find in any hint as to the reason why EeeCtl isn't working in your Win 98SE, because, as far as I can see it, all dependencies are satisfied and there is no relevant missing procedure. :( There must be some deeper problem that the Dependency Walker is failing to reveal...

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And thanks for the heads up about SD cards, I didn't know that. BTW, was it a true SD or a SDHC card you used?


Yep :),and if I may :unsure:, the report should be changed to
  • SD card partitioned/formatted as ....
  • through card reader make/model.....
  • card make/model/type..... size .....
I presume that not all card readers and not all kinds of partitioning/formatting will work (or will fail to work) - though I don't think that SD vs. SDHC may make a difference, if partitioned/formated in the "right" way and connected through a "right" reader.

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Edited by jaclaz, 18 October 2009 - 12:18 PM.


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That's not exactly the case, as we were referring to the built in card reader.

In any case it was a plane 2GB SD card, as far as I know.

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That's not exactly the case, as we were referring to the built in card reader.

Sorry :blushing: , I thought that this meant:

The built in Alt-F2 update procedure does not support SD card USB devices. A pen drive is necesary.

that you were trying a USB SD card reader....

In any case it was a plane 2GB SD card, as far as I know.

Yep, but was it partitioned or "superfloppy"? :unsure:

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The built in card reader is an USB device as well. It is possible to boot the system from it the same way as from other USB devices. The SD cards are treated by BIOS the same way as pen drives. So, they are mounted as hard drives, and can be partitioned. Still, the built in BIOS flash routine does not seem to be able to use it.

Edited by Sfor, 18 October 2009 - 12:33 PM.


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The built in card reader is an USB device as well. It is possible to boot the system from it the same way as from other USB devices. The SD cards are treated by BIOS the same way as pen drives. So, they are mounted as hard drives, and can be partitioned. Still, the built in BIOS flash routine does not seem to be able to use it.


Yep, now I understand what you were saying. :)

I simply "visualized" in my mind a thingy like this one:
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I simply "visualized" in my mind a thingy like this one:

Which is quite understandable. In fact, the Eee PC is a strange beast because it offers 3 external USB ports, and a MMC/SD/SDHC card reader. But, internally, the card reader is connected through a dedicated USB port, which, in fact, is the "missing" fourth port, since USB ports always come in pairs. Stranger still is the fact that the internal Wi-Fi is also connected through another dedicated usb port. But the really awesome part is that there are still two more otherwise unused USB ports inside, that the more aventurous modders can recover with soldering iron, care and some good luck, as you can read here and here.

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I simply "visualized" in my mind a thingy like this one:

Which is quite understandable. In fact, the Eee PC is a strange beast because it offers 3 external USB ports, and a MMC/SD/SDHC card reader. But internally, the card reader is connected through a dedicated USB port. Stranger still is the fact that the internal Wi-Fi is also connected through another dedicated usb port.


At the risk of going OFF TOPIC :ph34r:, I guess that it could lead, in due time and with the hopefully coming of USB 3.0 speeds, to a revolution in the way PC's are made (not only netbooks).

I mean once we actually have a "really Universal" and "really Fast" BUS, a PC may become a "core" with CPU+a USB hub, to which you could attach any kind of device, including network card, video card, audio card and what not, a truly modular and easily upgradable solution.

Still off-topic, have a look at this interesting approach to PE portability ;):
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=5634

A PC in a foreseeable future may resemble a big USB hub to which you connect all your external devices.....

Now, REALLY off-topic, a crazy idea someone actually created:
http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm

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Now, REALLY off-topic, a crazy idea someone actually created: http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm

Great find, jaclaz! The fdd raid really deserves the trophy! Posted Image

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No.


Oh well. I was hoping we would see some action on this since the eeepcs (and most netbooks) are a known hardware set with mostly complete FOSS drivers to crib from. If we are to see Win98SE take center stage again for one last bow on modern hardware the netbook seems to me to be its best opportunity. If we could only get someone who has experience in writing drivers for the OS to look through the Win98 driver kit and hack away...

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The newer operating systems do have a significantly better power management abilities. So, Windows 98 is not a particulary good choice for mobile computers. I strongly doubt in it's ability to take the central stage.

Personaly, I'm preferring to use Xandros when working without the power adaptor, as it seems to work longer on the battery power. I'm using Windows 98 when I do have an external power attached, or when I need to troubleshoot some ethernet network related problems.

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The newer operating systems do have a significantly better power management abilities. So, Windows 98 is not a particulary good choice for mobile computers. I strongly doubt in it's ability to take the central stage.


Well bear in mind we're not exactly using proper drivers now and the ones we have are not likely to have been optimized all that much.

Speaking of bears, did anyone manaage to save the bearwindows video drivers? His site was one of the many that suffered webrot due to the death of Geocities. The documentation can be retrieved via the internetarchive, but not the drivers themselves. See:

http://web.archive.o...ndows/vbe9x.htm

I suspect if we were to ever get good drivers based on what can be gleaned from the FOSS drivers we'd get much better battery life out of our eeepcs even in Win9x. Unfortunately there don't seem to be any low level driver programmers willing to give things a look, so we're unlikely to know one way or another any time soon.

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Speaking of bears, did anyone manaage to save the bearwindows video drivers?

Sure. vbemp9x (direct download). Note that the link I just provided you is bearwindows original russian download site, that remains active, as usual.

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Speaking of bears, did anyone manaage to save the bearwindows video drivers? His site was one of the many that suffered webrot due to the death of Geocities. The documentation can be retrieved via the internetarchive, but not the drivers themselves.


Well, we are a bit ahead of geocities ;).
http://www.boot-land...hp?showforum=60
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=2325
http://bearwindows.b...d.net/vbe9x.htm

Just for your interest, geocities is dead, long live reocities:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=9943

It is of course very partial, and in the works, but you can already re-find some sites that cannot be completely recovered from the Wayback Machine.

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Also, I've noticed the DOS mode Ethernet driver I've used so far has an importand disadvantage. When the CPU gets hoter, the network speed gets slower. Apparently, the CPU speed goes down, when it gets hoter. Since the DOS mode driver consumes a lot of CPU power, the network speed is affected as well. Funny thing is the problem is visible with the inbound traffic, only. The outbound traffic seems to be working as usual.



I've changed the firmware to 10.06, but I did not do any network speed testing, so far. Surprisingly, I was able to hold over 100kb/s download rate for a quite long time, yesterday. So far, the download speed was always going down with time. I'm suspecting the new firmware is responsible for improved network card performance. Still, there are other factors to be considered as battery/AC and downloading application type. In any case WGET did a nice job, yesterday.

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Speaking of bears, did anyone manaage to save the bearwindows video drivers?

Sure. vbemp9x (direct download). Note that the link I just provided you is bearwindows original russian download site, that remains active, as usual.

@iWindoze:
bearwindows has a subforum over at boot-land: bearwindows (as already mentioned by jaclaz), and a new site BearWindows Vault. He's a member here at MSFN, but comes here rarely, and is easier to find at boot-land or by e-mail (findable at his site).
@jaclaz:
Reocities! Indeed! Great news! :thumbup Thanks for the heads up! :thumbup

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I'm glad to see valuable software has not been lost!

Has there been any further success on getting the eeepc (or other netbooks) to run Win9x fully?

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I'm glad to see valuable software has not been lost!

Has there been any further success on getting the eeepc (or other netbooks) to run Win9x fully?

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99 % of netbooks created around VIA C7 are having official Windows 98 SE GPU drivers. If we are interested in examples of this notebooks or:

Netbook Emprex BNB-1021 VIA C7-M which is possible to buy on Amazon is created around VIA C7 and chipset VIA CX700M for which it is possible to download all Windows 98 SE drivers (GPU,SATA, RAID) from VIA site.

There is similar situation with HP 2133 Mini-Note PC KS174UT - VIA C7-M (Amazon + VIA drivers) and others VIA C7 netbooks. Sad thing is that VIA C7 is last VIA product with Windows 98 SE drivers

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Well. It appears there is yet another possibility to obtain drivers. WdmStub thread gives hope to use WDM 2k/XP drivers in W98.

I looked in to the audio drivers for Asus EEE PC 900, and it was too much for me, sadly. The driver package consists of the Realtek drivers and Microsoft patch for Windows 2k/XP. The patch is Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for HD Audio.

Apparently the entry in the device manager (PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2668) is the Microsoft UAA Bus. The Realtek Audio drivers are to be installed after the bus driver. I have too little experience with WdmStub to try to port such a complicated driver package.

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There IS. Unfortunately page with them (http://my.scitechsoft.com/) vanished.

So as abadonware, i can release my build with support for Intel graphics up to 965G (and some other graphic chipsets, too):
http://rapidshare.co.../snapdriver.rar

Hi tihiy,

 

this snap graphics driver would be really useful for me.

Could you please re-upload it?

 

Thanks!

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