CharlotteTheHarlot

System Internals Utilities on Win9x

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Regarding the displaying of the first post, with 98FE and IE6, the page is much wider than the screen. With SeaMonkey 1.1.9, everything fits very nicely on the screen. Same with K-meleon 1.5.0. With SeaMonkey, all but the first codebox have both vertical and horizontal scrollbars.

With IE6, only the 2nd codebox has a horizontal scrollbar. I'm guessing that it's the 3rd codebox that's making the screen so wide when such an inferior browser is used. :P

The rest of the posts are normal in all the browsers I have.

Rick

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Folks, I have been messing around with that first post in MSIE (version 6.0.2800.1106). I shortened up the longest lines that are in those CODEBOXes. Still looks like crap! :wacko:

I am on a Win9x box at the moment without MSIE7. Can anyone comment on the width using that version? One would think that this issue may have come across a computer screen up in Redmond sometime during the last 7-ish years!

Unless the MSFN site software is customizeable with respect to endusers using MSIE, perhaps with targeted style sheets via some creative scripting, well, I just don't see an easy solution.

Maybe endusers themselves that use MSIE can use a custom stylesheet for this site (and others with the same forum host software).

I see that Opera works flawlessly here. I hear that Mozilla does also.

I would hate to use a content reducing solution (i.e., limit text width within a CODEBOX) so that a POS browser does not choke on visual output. I mean, its not like this is a serious Acid Test.

More suggestions please! I have more System Internals information to add to this thread but I would like to solve this issue somehow first.

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Google is normally your friend, but here the Internet Archive Wayback Machine is your friend!

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sy...als.com/Files/*

and (case sensitive),

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sy...als.com/files/*

You'll find most revisions of Sysinternals tools archived here.

An added bonus is the source code that is all but gone since M$ "took over management"...

You can see in the list of snapshot dates when files change by an asterisk next to the date.

Many revisions of the original home page can be viewed from:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sysinternals.com

If you've got lots of time on your hands, you can search through the entire site's files and revisions including the original web pages and forums using:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sysinternals.com/*

Happy searching! :)

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I've found that the wayback machine doesn't always have the file versions that went with the page dates. Tried doing what you suggested with a different program. The download links were often dead or linked to a newer version than what was on the page.

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BUMPING THIS THREAD.

Looking for MSIE 6/7/8 users to examine this page, specifically the page width on the first post (read above discussion).

Need advice and if possible comment on my ideas in Post #17

Also, have any users of Firefox/Mozilla/Opera/(other) noticed any page width anomolies? So far they seem immune.

Thanks! CTH

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With SlimBrowser (IE based, currently IE6-SP1 on Win98SE) page is too wide. Funny thing is I checked the page code when the thread was younger (not that I'd make much of HTML anyway) and reducing only codebox sizes (to 50%) didn't make any difference, so it must be something with the background layout (the whitish portion that can be seen to the right). Couldn't pinpoint the issue though so I left it alone after a few failed attempts.

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UPDATE TO POST #1

The top post has been re-written to describe the current ZIP package suite (downloaded on 2009-04-08).

Win9x fans will notice that three more utilities no longer operate.

-CTH-

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I grabbed the ''ExeVersion'' utility from here:

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=791707

and used it on the newest version of AutoRuns and it seemed to restore functionality on Win9x. I mean, I haven't tested it thoroughly, but it starts up and lists stuff. I'm still holding on to my last official versions that work on Win9x anyway, but hot darnn, I wish I'd noticed ExeVersion sooner.

Erm, obviously the OP knows of this utility, but I think it's still a viable comment.

Queue

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I couldn't help but notice that right after MS bought Sysinternals, many of their utilities became quite a bit larger in size, with no obvious changes in the way they work or their features.

Examples:

Process Explorer

Version 10.04 is 1.37MB

Version 10.21 is 3.45MB

Regmon

Version 7.03 is 417KB

Version 7.04 is 600KB

Filemon

Version 7.03 is 436KB

Version 7.04 is 730KB

I see no real changes in any of these from the last Sysinternals versions to the MS versions, except that the "save as" option of the MS versions of Filemon and Regmon doesn't work on 98. The previous versions do. I really have to wonder just what they changed that nearly doubled their size or even more.

look at the Resources BINRES, they added PE64(AMD64) drivers and exe files.

you can use e.g Resource Hacker for viewing Resources. 

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There is some related discussion presently occuring in this thead: Win98 vulnerability?.

Since Multibooter was asking about previous versions of Autoruns I thought I would inventory what I had and report back here. These are unmodified distros ...

AUTORUNS EXE .... 40,960 ... 09-29-00 .... 5:46p ... Autoruns.exe_0120
AUTORUNS EXE .... 65,536 ... 12-28-02 .... 4:41p ... Autoruns.exe_0201
AUTORUNS EXE .... 81,920 ... 01-08-03 .... 6:36p ... Autoruns.exe_0203
AUTORUNS EXE ... 110,592 ... 10-24-03 .... 9:41a ... Autoruns.exe_0302
AUTORUNS EXE ... 114,688 ... 04-07-04 .... 7:36a ... Autoruns.exe_0403
AUTORUNS EXE ... 118,784 ... 05-14-04 ... 10:45a ... Autoruns.exe_0411 [color="#FF0000"]<-- Crashes Win9x![/color]
AUTORUNS EXE ... 135,168 ... 06-19-04 .... 1:13p ... Autoruns.exe_0431
AUTORUNS EXE ... 135,168 ... 06-26-04 ... 11:51a ... Autoruns.exe_0432
AUTORUNS EXE ... 155,648 ... 08-24-04 .... 3:07p ... Autoruns.exe_0500
AUTORUNS EXE ... 172,032 ... 11-12-04 ... 12:48p ... Autoruns.exe_0600
AUTORUNS EXE ... 172,032 ... 12-20-04 .... 3:24p ... Autoruns.exe_0610
AUTORUNS EXE ... 181,776 ... 03-02-05 ... 10:26a ... Autoruns.exe_0700
AUTORUNS EXE ... 218,640 ... 06-16-05 .... 5:00p ... Autoruns.exe_0800
AUTORUNS EXE ... 243,216 ... 07-21-05 .... 4:13p ... Autoruns.exe_0812
AUTORUNS EXE ... 247,312 ... 07-27-05 .... 9:15a ... Autoruns.exe_0813
AUTORUNS EXE ... 316,944 ... 10-05-05 .... 5:49p ... Autoruns.exe_0821
AUTORUNS EXE ... 337,424 ... 10-28-05 ... 12:44p ... Autoruns.exe_0831
AUTORUNS EXE ... 345,616 ... 12-07-05 .... 4:51p ... Autoruns.exe_0843
AUTORUNS EXE ... 348,160 ... 03-08-06 .... 5:03p ... Autoruns.exe_0850
AUTORUNS EXE ... 352,256 ... 03-30-06 .... 1:49p ... Autoruns.exe_0851
AUTORUNS EXE ... 398,912 ... 06-22-06 ... 12:39p ... Autoruns.exe_0852
AUTORUNS EXE ... 398,912 ... 07-10-06 .... 2:22p ... Autoruns.exe_0853
AUTORUNS EXE ... 621,368 ... 11-01-06 .... 1:07p ... Autoruns.exe_0854
AUTORUNS EXE ... 529,792 ... 01-18-07 .... 3:31p ... Autoruns.exe_0860
AUTORUNS EXE ... 529,792 ... 01-22-07 .... 1:11p ... Autoruns.exe_0861
AUTORUNS EXE ... 542,080 ... 07-09-07 ... 11:23a ... Autoruns.exe_0870
AUTORUNS EXE ... 542,080 ... 07-24-07 .... 3:58p ... Autoruns.exe_0871
AUTORUNS EXE ... 546,176 ... 08-16-07 .... 9:43a ... Autoruns.exe_0872
AUTORUNS EXE ... 546,176 ... 08-19-07 .... 8:40p ... Autoruns.exe_0873
AUTORUNS EXE ... 594,984 ... 12-14-07 .... 1:55p ... Autoruns.exe_0900
AUTORUNS EXE ... 599,080 ... 01-03-08 ... 10:40a ... Autoruns.exe_0901
AUTORUNS EXE ... 599,080 ... 01-09-08 .... 3:32p ... Autoruns.exe_0902
AUTORUNS EXE ... 603,176 ... 01-31-08 .... 5:23p ... Autoruns.exe_0910
AUTORUNS EXE ... 603,176 ... 02-06-08 ... 10:38a ... Autoruns.exe_0911
AUTORUNS EXE ... 603,176 ... 02-07-08 .... 9:30a ... Autoruns.exe_0912
AUTORUNS EXE ... 603,176 ... 02-25-08 ... 12:44p ... Autoruns.exe_0913 [b][color="#FF0000"]<-- Last Win9x[/color][/b]
AUTORUNS EXE ... 622,120 ... 05-09-08 .... 1:56p ... Autoruns.exe_0920
AUTORUNS EXE ... 622,632 ... 05-12-08 .... 4:31p ... Autoruns.exe_0921
AUTORUNS EXE ... 645,160 ... 07-15-08 .... 4:39p ... Autoruns.exe_0930
AUTORUNS EXE ... 645,672 ... 07-21-08 .... 9:40a ... Autoruns.exe_0931
AUTORUNS EXE ... 645,672 ... 07-24-08 ... 10:00a ... Autoruns.exe_0932
AUTORUNS EXE ... 646,184 ... 08-21-08 .... 9:30a ... Autoruns.exe_0933
AUTORUNS EXE ... 646,184 ... 08-29-08 ... 10:32a ... Autoruns.exe_0934
AUTORUNS EXE ... 644,976 ... 10-15-08 .... 9:25a ... Autoruns.exe_0935
AUTORUNS EXE ... 645,488 ... 12-10-08 .... 2:40p ... Autoruns.exe_0936
AUTORUNS EXE ... 647,024 ... 12-17-08 .... 9:11p ... Autoruns.exe_0937
AUTORUNS EXE ... 647,024 ... 01-09-09 .... 9:12a ... Autoruns.exe_0938
AUTORUNS EXE ... 647,552 ... 02-03-09 ... 10:32a ... Autoruns.exe_0939
AUTORUNS EXE ... 648,064 ... 03-27-09 .... 9:24a ... Autoruns.exe_0940
AUTORUNS EXE ... 648,064 ... 04-02-09 .... 4:47p ... Autoruns.exe_0941

Please note that the version number in that list appears appended to the LFN after an underscore, with a leading zero. So Autoruns.exe_0941 obviously means Autoruns v9.41.

I have not been able to locate any binaries between v9.13 (last Win9x) and v9.21. :angry:

As mentioned in the top post and more recently by Queue, there may be some hope in manually patching some of these using a tool by SteelBytes. I have not had the time lately but will endeavor to at some point.

NOTE: If any mods are reading this perhaps you might comment on the ethicality of documenting here the results of patching System Internals utilities (see my concerns in the top post). I'm guessing it will be ok since other Microsoft files are commonly patched and discussed (for example UXTHEME). But it can't hurt to ask anyway.

Thanks! -=[CTH]=-

EDIT: found a few more versions and added them to the list.

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot
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UPDATE TO POST #1

The top post has been re-written to describe the current ZIP package suite (downloaded on 2009-08-26).

Win9x fans will notice that one more utility no longer operates.

-CTH-

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As mentioned in the top post and more recently by Queue, there may be some hope in manually patching some of these using a tool by SteelBytes. I have not had the time lately but will endeavor to at some point.

NOTE: If any mods are reading this perhaps you might comment on the ethicality of documenting here the results of patching System Internals utilities (see my concerns in the top post). I'm guessing it will be ok since other Microsoft files are commonly patched and discussed (for example UXTHEME). But it can't hurt to ask anyway.

You can report freely your results regarding the patching of System Internals utilities.

What you cannot do (Rule 1.b) is to actually redistribute the patched binaries (nor the unpatched binaries, but, for them, you can provide links to the original software provider/vendor site, if you so want).

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As mentioned in the top post and more recently by Queue, there may be some hope in manually patching some of these using a tool by SteelBytes. I have not had the time lately but will endeavor to at some point.

NOTE: If any mods are reading this perhaps you might comment on the ethicality of documenting here the results of patching System Internals utilities (see my concerns in the top post). I'm guessing it will be ok since other Microsoft files are commonly patched and discussed (for example UXTHEME). But it can't hurt to ask anyway.

You can report freely your results regarding the patching of System Internals utilities.

What you cannot do (Rule 1.b) is to actually redistribute the patched binaries (nor the unpatched binaries, but, for them, you can provide links to the original software provider/vendor site, if you so want).

I thank you sir!

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Also, have any users of Firefox/Mozilla/Opera/(other) noticed any page width anomolies? So far they seem immune.

Firefox 3.5. Horizontal scrolling appears because of too large boxes. Opera works good.

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Autoruns.exe .... 9.13 ..... 603,176 ... 02-25-08 ... 12:44p ... ok (Windows)

Procexp.exe .... 11.11 ... 3,654,696 ... 02-27-08 .... 1:05p ... ok (Windows)

:D With KernelEx 4.0 Final2 installed on Win98SE, last versions are fine:

* Autoruns 9.53

* ProcessExplorer 11.33

EDIT after more tests: :rolleyes:

Well, Autoruns 9.53 is running ...but with errors, like false-'File not found'.

Even Autoruns 9.13 is running but not displaying correctly Default Icon's of the entries.

So, last fully functional version for me, seems to be 9.12!

For Process Explorer same thing, last version doesn't display the process name when cursor is rolling over the CPU history or Commit.

Last good version for me is 11.31.

Edited by CharlesF
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