[Atmosphere XG]

I'm not on Windows 98 so, I was wondering if Opera 10 is compatible with Windows 98

Thanks.

[Mijzelf]

I think so. It runs on W95A, but I had to install 'Windows Installer 2.0' due to a lacking msi.dll. (Beats me where Opera needs it for). Further I had to download the 'Classic installer' version of Opera, which is a bit harder to find, because the default installer wanted me to install IE 3.1 first. (!). And of course Opera is complaining about a missing or too old Msimg32.dll, just like v9.5 did.

But it runs fine. So far the only problem I have seen is a font problem in the Transfers window. All numbers (download size, -speed) are just greek.

(Take that, Mozilla, OpenOffice.org and AbiWord!)

This post has been edited by Mijzelf: 19 December 2008 - 03:08 AM

[Atmosphere XG]

Thanks.

I am planning to install Windows 98 OEM on my old computer and with Opera 10 passing the ACID3 test (100%) I do not need to bother with Firefox as an alternative anymore when browsing Ebay.

[BenoitRen]

Oh please. The ACID3 test means close to nothing. Also, these tests are only partly an indicator of web standards support. A web browser can pass ACID2 and still have abysmal web standards support.

[Atmosphere XG]

BenoitRen, on Dec 20 2008, 08:00 AM, said:

Oh please. The ACID3 test means close to nothing. Also, these tests are only partly an indicator of web standards support. A web browser can pass ACID2 and still have abysmal web standards support.

Opera has been my primary browser since 2001. The only reason I kept Firefox this long was due to Opera having difficulty organizing pictures properly on Ebay. Whether Acid 3 plays a factor or not, I am happy Opera remedied the problem.

[rjisinspired]

Will Opera be able to use java uploader controls such as those on Myspace pages for uploading media? Last time I checked, Opera 9 would not work with Myspace's uploader and I was directed to a "Download Java" and IE page. Someone told me the reason being that the java engine in Opera is that of it's own design and can't work with an outside JRE? If anyone can confirm this to be true than this may be a problem and maybe Opera cannot change this behavior or it would be very difficult to do.

This isn't much of a big deal since I can use Firefox to upload media. Myspace's no-frills uploader tends to crap out/time out and isn't all that consistent at times. There are more sites that are starting to employ these java parts to pages and I'm hoping Opera can work out the issue.

[BenoitRen]

Actually, it sounds like the real issue is browser sniffing, in your case. I'd contact them about it.

[Mijzelf]

When it's browser sniffing, maybe you can use the 'F12->Edit site preferences->Network->Browser identification->Mask as Internet Explorer' trick. After a refresh (F5) the site should 'think' you're using IE.

[Offler]

i was using opera 9.62 recently. it works fast, looks good.

only problem was with the webpage service.futuremark.com.

try to find some 3dmark results and you will see, but the page itself is a nightmare. also opera requires new installation of Java if you want to use javascripted pages... IE6 with Slimbrowser prevailed because its java support is older but better than new one. newer java seemed to me as big trouble - i had to remove it from system...

i guess i will try Opera 10 but i am skeptic since i had no trouble with slimbrowser.

[Shan_blender]

Oh God, Opera is now 9.6. It's a fantastic browser , however very slow comparing to Firefox and Google Chrome ! Has some nasty things like the IE ("bug") 'Click to active this control' BTW, I prefer Firefox

[BenoitRen]

"Offler" said:

opera requires new installation of Java if you want to use javascripted pages...

Java is not the same thing as JavaScript!

[jaclaz]

Shan_blender, on Dec 22 2008, 11:42 AM, said:

however very slow comparing to Firefox and Google Chrome

Care to share some data?

Are there more recent tests?
http://nontroppo.org.../kestrel_tests/
http://celtickane.co...peedarchive.php


Or are you talking of "pure" javascript speed?
http://ejohn.org/blo...rmance-rundown/
http://w-shadow.com/blog/2008/09/03/google...-js-speed-test/

It seems like latest 10 Alpha is much faster in them too:
http://www.download....0113913-12.html

However, I guess that the small differences in tests cannot really be appreciated in "real life" use, and choosing one over the other should be made over a "personal feeling" rather than on benchmark data....

jaclaz

[Shan_blender]

jaclaz, on Dec 22 2008, 06:27 AM, said:

Shan_blender, on Dec 22 2008, 11:42 AM, said:

however very slow comparing to Firefox and Google Chrome

Care to share some data?

Are there more recent tests?
http://nontroppo.org.../kestrel_tests/
http://celtickane.co...peedarchive.php


Or are you talking of "pure" javascript speed?
http://ejohn.org/blo...rmance-rundown/
http://w-shadow.com/blog/2008/09/03/google...-js-speed-test/

It seems like latest 10 Alpha is much faster in them too:
http://www.download....0113913-12.html

However, I guess that the small differences in tests cannot really be appreciated in "real life" use, and choosing one over the other should be made over a "personal feeling" rather than on benchmark data....

jaclaz

No , I mean in every things. Take the exemple of loading a Flash Component! To see the flash controls, you must click on the Animation! This is crapy. FIREFOX POWA, PLUS...I have some experience in Browser..Opera is 50% slow than IE and FIrefox..trust me. And to finish, see the title of your Download.com document ! Just the title xD

This post has been edited by Shan_blender: 22 December 2008 - 05:53 AM

[Shan_blender]

BenoitRen, on Dec 22 2008, 06:21 AM, said:

"Offler" said:

opera requires new installation of Java if you want to use javascripted pages...

Java is not the same thing as JavaScript!

+1 met je

[e-berlin]

I really think Opera was the greatest browser available 'till the 5-th version and then suddenly it became heavy, unpopular and much more ugly than before... If you want something really fast, try K-Meleon, I think it's still available for Win98

EDIT: Yes, it is!

Quote

What are the system requirements?

While a Pentium level processor is recommended, K-Meleon can run on 486 systems that meet the minimum RAM requirements. Please consult the release notes for particular versions of K-Meleon.

Users of Windows 2000 may experience problems due to the absence of msvcp60.dll. Install the Windows 2000 Support Tools from your setup CD or consult the Windows Update website.

Users of Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT 4.0 may have to install Vcredist.exe to get the latest run-time components for Visual C++ applications.

Users of Windows 95 may also have to install shlwapi.dll (part of Internet Explorer).

This post has been edited by e-berlin: 22 December 2008 - 06:10 AM

[jaclaz]

Shan_blender, on Dec 22 2008, 12:49 PM, said:

I have some experience in Browser..Opera is 50% slow than IE and FIrefox..trust me.

Sorry for being not able to fulfill your wishes , but NO , I won't trust you on your word and self-declared experience.

When I'll see some data I may.


Of course, as long it is your personal opinion on the matter, I will hold it in the greatest consideration. , but still at the moment it sounds to me more like a:

Blade Runner said:

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.

kind of innuendo.

jaclaz

[Shan_blender]

jaclaz, on Dec 22 2008, 06:15 AM, said:

Shan_blender, on Dec 22 2008, 12:49 PM, said:

I have some experience in Browser..Opera is 50% slow than IE and FIrefox..trust me.

Sorry for being not able to fulfill your wishes , but NO , I won't trust you on your word and self-declared experience.

When I'll see some data I may.


Of course, as long it is your personal opinion on the matter, I will hold it in the greatest consideration. , but still at the moment it sounds to me more like a:

Blade Runner said:

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.

kind of innuendo.

jaclaz

You know, I don't care if you don't "trust"me. I don't think i'm important in your life. But, I'm a pc user since I was 5. So please, do not tell me those cr**@

[jaclaz]

Shan_blender, on Dec 22 2008, 03:31 PM, said:

You know, I don't care if you don't "trust"me. I don't think i'm important in your life. But, I'm a pc user since I was 5. So please, do not tell me those cr**@

Take it easy , no need to start a flame war, anyone is free to have his own opinions.....

I now see how being a PC user since the age of 5 qualifies you for being trusted on your word, whatever you affirm (at least browser speed related).



jaclaz

[Atmosphere XG]

jaclaz, on Dec 22 2008, 09:44 AM, said:

Take it easy , no need to start a flame war, anyone is free to have his own opinions.....


jaclaz

I don't know what happen to the Windows 98/95 forum lately. The hostility I've seen these days when others choose not to follow the trend and set their own goes against the whole meaning of using Windows 1998 much less 95 in 2008.

Is it that hard for them to understand that everyone has their own needs when surfing the Internet thus, opinions will vary as well?

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

Mijzelf, on Dec 22 2008, 04:38 AM, said:

When it's browser sniffing, maybe you can use the 'F12->Edit site preferences->Network->Browser identification->Mask as Internet Explorer' trick. After a refresh (F5) the site should 'think' you're using IE.

This is good advice (but what a PITA that default arrangement is!) One of the best and easiest suggestions for Opera users is to have the Browser user agent box visible at all times. Try this if you haven't already, it is well worth the 5 seconds it takes to do it.

(1) Make sure you have the Status Bar enabled (the Status Bar is the line at the bottom of the Opera window which does things like display the URL pointed to when the mouse is held over a link). If it is missing: Tools | Appearance | Toolbars and then check the box for Status Bar.

(2) Now go to: Tools | Appearance | Buttons and in the left column click Preferences.

(3) With the mouse drag the box shown as "Identify as Internet Explorer" onto the Status Bar and release. It is a dropdown box that shows the current user agent tag (browser identification) and lets you quickly change (F5 refresh whatever page you're on of course!).

Webpage slingers (aka programmers) often tie content to the browser the visitor is presumably using. For example there is a very useful site at http://www.yellowpages.com/maps which allows you to enter address/city/state/zip and see Birdseye POV maps using technology from Microsoft's Virtual Earth.

When using the default Identify as Opera this webslinger arbitrarily decided to just allow you the plain old illustrated maps with no access to the good stuff! When the user agent says: Identify as Internet Explorer, the navigational toolbar containing the compass and buttons for Aerial, Bird's Eye, etc., are present and available. I have not tried, but this may also hold true for other Microsoft Virtual Earth sites.

Memo to self: remember to berate YellowPages later for hiring a nitwit to code their site. On second thought, 5 bucks says Microsoft shipped them a template for implementing the map engine.