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Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 Troubles

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Well here is what my mum agreed I can do: buy a WD green power 500 or 640gb drive and use it as the main HDD and use the replacement seagate as a backup drive as my mobo has esata. Works for me and my mum is willing to pay just so it will all go ok. I will also from now on backup family photos to my new 16gb kingston usb stick.
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Hi all,

Thanks for the comments on RAID. Agree with some of the points raised. I might use something to sync between the hard disks on a weekly basis rather than RAID 1 itself.


Riderzen,

Just my thought - what if your WD main HD fails and when you try to use the Seagate to restore, it gets into that stupid BSY state again? Then it's double whammy :) Maybe it might be better to use the Seagate as main HD and WD as backup? :)



Well here is what my mum agreed I can do: buy a WD green power 500 or 640gb drive and use it as the main HDD and use the replacement seagate as a backup drive as my mobo has esata. Works for me and my mum is willing to pay just so it will all go ok. I will also from now on backup family photos to my new 16gb kingston usb stick.



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I will also from now on backup family photos to my new 16gb kingston usb stick.


Do NOT backup anything onto flash media. It's the most volatile of all storage methods. Unless its a micro drive.
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looking around this seems to be becoming common. SD17 and SD18 seem to have same issues. Tech support at HP admitted they already knew about this so I presume they are working on it. I put a few things in other posts on seagate forums that got deleted that might be helpful. The identical 2nd drive is on HP24 (so I assume both are), I got a temp OS install running on this now. I presume it's just SD15 renamed or minor changes since they tend to just rebrand/rename manufacturers stuff (drivers too I've noticed their renamed drivers are identical to original like the sound drivers). This could be good news since if seagate don't address it but HP or some other big prebuild company who use them do then it could be a potential upgrade candidate for others.

I got email back saying I've been upgraded to UK personal support (presume not in sat/sun), hopefully they will address it. If they do finding exact dfference between their fw and official seagates and what changes they made will mean it could be possible to use without modifying or at least request seagate to make same modifications. Failing that using hp version but stripping hp specific mods away for an unofficial fw might be good way to go. Any info I get concerning this once support get back to me that may be of use I can post here.

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Using the information from poolcarpet and the Frys interface board I successfully removed the busy state from my drive. But this has left the drive with the LBA detected with 0 problem. I hope we can find a complete fix.

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So it looks like we can resolve the BSY status now.

The next step would be to fix the LBA 0 problem, I believe fatlip is working on that.

Once we figure this out, we should post this up in public. I really hate it that Seagate is not taking ownership of this clear 'firmware defect' and hate it even more when those data recovery companies want to charge us an arm and a leg for this. I wouldn't mind paying $$ to recover data from hardware failures, but absolutely cannot accept it to pay $$ for some firmware defect.

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...will do, I will check at my local electronics store too as they have tons of stuff dirt cheap, near or same internet prices...


Awesome :thumbup:
Let me know if you find anything useful, I've already got a list of commands and a good idea on which ones to use, but without an actual terminal I can't be certain.

...NOTE: For benefit of none UKers maplin is our main chain store for electronics that replaced most the smaller and independant ones...


Tell me about it! I looked up the RS232 on there and their search showed me a serial cable... FOR £13!! :angry:
They're con-men I tell you! :realmad:
Haha

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Won't know for sure, but the steps are in a manual that came with a data recovery solution. I would presume that it should work...


Any chance I could get my hands on said manual please? :sneaky:

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Looking forward to a solution on this.... thanks fatlip and others who are working on it!!! I just ordered my parts from Frys and got a DB9 cable from Monoprice here - http://www.monoprice.......=1&format=2

For those looking for a good backup program.... I've been using SyncBack for a long time now. It allows you to schedule backups and even emails you if there is an issue - tons of advanced features! I also use it to sync selected data between 2 desktops and a laptop. Here's the free download - http://www.2brightsp...s.html#freeware

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I will also from now on backup family photos to my new 16gb kingston usb stick.


Do NOT backup anything onto flash media. It's the most volatile of all storage methods. Unless its a micro drive.

If I have my photos backed up to the WD, seagate and flash what is the chance I will loose something??? I have used usb memory sticks for years and chucked them around alot and have never lost anything.
Oh yeah and I don't want to use the seagate as my main drive because then I would have to reinstall everything...
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...will do, I will check at my local electronics store too as they have tons of stuff dirt cheap, near or same internet prices...


Awesome :thumbup:
Let me know if you find anything useful, I've already got a list of commands and a good idea on which ones to use, but without an actual terminal I can't be certain.

...NOTE: For benefit of none UKers maplin is our main chain store for electronics that replaced most the smaller and independant ones...


Tell me about it! I looked up the RS232 on there and their search showed me a serial cable... FOR £13!! :angry:
They're con-men I tell you! :realmad:
Haha

If you want a cheap adapter, you have a soldering station and you understand electronics circuits:
http://cgi.ebay.es/B...emZ110332604457
Only cost 2.80$, plus two 1K resistances 0.10$ and two or three weeks lead time.
Cut rubber of RS232 adapter, soldering the 1K resistance extreme between 2 chips on RX line (and TX line to), cut a track with a cutter.

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If you want cheap, have a soldering station and you understand electronics circuits, then you could use 2 transistors from your miscellaneous parts bin (or even reused parts from old electronics) and some common resistors and make a simple inverter. Even if you had to buy all the parts, you could build it for under $1 (and in about 5 minutes). That's assuming your serial port "understands" TTL levels, but pretty much all of them do these days.
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If you want a cheap adapter, you have a soldering station and you understand electronics circuits:
http://cgi.ebay.es/B...emZ110332604457
Only cost 2.80$, plus two 1K resistances 0.10$ and two or three weeks lead time.
Cut rubber of RS232 adapter, soldering the 1K resistance extreme between 2 chips on RX line (and TX line to), cut a track with a cutter.


You sir, are a GENIUS!
I'll definitely be looking into that!

Does anyone have a terminal and a broken 7200.11 to hand by any chance?
I just have some non-destructive commands that need testing...

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...looking around this seems to be becoming common. SD17 and SD18 seem to have same issues...
...I presume it's just SD15 renamed or minor changes...


Am I the only one until now who have the same no disk at boot error (bsy state) and have an ST3500320AS from Thailand with firmware SD81 (yes i'm sure it is EIGHTYONE).

Greetings, ToKuRo.

Edited by ToKuRo, 04 January 2009 - 12:38 AM.


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Riderzen,

I suppose not, but lightning can strike twice :) Also, you wouldn't want to put the WD + seagate + flash in the same physical location. For example, if there is water leakage and all three get washed, that's it :)


I will also from now on backup family photos to my new 16gb kingston usb stick.


Do NOT backup anything onto flash media. It's the most volatile of all storage methods. Unless its a micro drive.

If I have my photos backed up to the WD, seagate and flash what is the chance I will loose something??? I have used usb memory sticks for years and chucked them around alot and have never lost anything.
Oh yeah and I don't want to use the seagate as my main drive because then I would have to reinstall everything...



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Anyone dare to try this? (For those that has gone beyond the disk not detected in BIOS, and are stuck in the 0 LBA problem)

http://www.salvation...gate-rapair.htm

btw, I checked, that's not a typo, the page html is really spelled that way... :)

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ToKuRo,

So far, I've seen only yourself with F/W SD81..... the rest of us have mainly SD15.


...looking around this seems to be becoming common. SD17 and SD18 seem to have same issues...
...I presume it's just SD15 renamed or minor changes...


Am I the only one until now who have the same no disk at boot error (bsy state) and have an ST3500320AS from Thailand with firmware SD81 (yes i'm sure it is EIGHTYONE).

Greetings, ToKuRo.



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@Poolcarpet
The flash drive with the most important data will be at school most of the time. Seagate drive will be in my cupboard. WD drive will be in the comp :yes: But I hear the WD green drives are very efficient, reliable, and almost as fast as my old seagate. Im gonna get one of the 640gb ones. Even more storage that the old one :w00t:
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For what it's worth, off-site backups are the only way to know that your important data is backed up safely. RAID is not a backup solution, and should never be treated as such.

My backup procedure has become as follows:
  • Sync folders from workstation to RAID5 array in file server
  • File server makes a nightly sync to an external 500GB drive of the important files (pictures, documents, music). External drive is purely for backup purposes
  • Every two weeks, I make a copy of my files from the external onto a portable external drive that I then take to work and copy to my NAS.

One copy, two copy, three copy. Yes, it costs a bit more in terms of hardware, but like crahak said, some data is priceless. I honestly couldn't imagine losing some of the pictures I've taken or the documents and work I've done in the past few years (the past year and a half of my thesis included!). The only way that I would lose more than two weeks worth of data is if an entire EMP were to hit Vancouver, or some other large scale natural disaster.

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You can consider sending a copy of your data to me here, I'll keep them safe half the world away. Should be very very safe... Well, unless an asteroid hits earth........ :P


For what it's worth, off-site backups are the only way to know that your important data is backed up safely. RAID is not a backup solution, and should never be treated as such.

My backup procedure has become as follows:

  • Sync folders from workstation to RAID5 array in file server
  • File server makes a nightly sync to an external 500GB drive of the important files (pictures, documents, music). External drive is purely for backup purposes
  • Every two weeks, I make a copy of my files from the external onto a portable external drive that I then take to work and copy to my NAS.

One copy, two copy, three copy. Yes, it costs a bit more in terms of hardware, but like crahak said, some data is priceless. I honestly couldn't imagine losing some of the pictures I've taken or the documents and work I've done in the past few years (the past year and a half of my thesis included!). The only way that I would lose more than two weeks worth of data is if an entire EMP were to hit Vancouver, or some other large scale natural disaster.



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Anyone dare to try this? (For those that has gone beyond the disk not detected in BIOS, and are stuck in the 0 LBA problem)

http://www.salvation...gate-rapair.htm

btw, I checked, that's not a typo, the page html is really spelled that way... :)

Hi poolcarpet,

After reading the pdf file, this tool disallows to resolve the problem on st3500320as.

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Now that we're not under the heel of seagate or the corporate data recovery shills, I think it's time someone re-posted this:
http://members.shaw....000_BSY_Fix.avi

This is the PC3000 seagate BSY fix. I found this on some Russian site through google.
Just so you can see how trivial this fix actually is, if you have the right hardware. :sneaky:

It's encoded in x264, so use VLC if you can't watch it as is.

thx fuzzy_3d,
It seems to be the best solution to our problem, this video concerns st3500320as with sd15 firmware. Do you the price of this tool ?

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I've asked the price of both PC3000-UDMA and SalvationData HD Doctor for Seagate. The PC3000-UDMA costs close to euro 3000, while the SD costs USD500. However, I'm not sure if the SD one comes with the hardware as well or it's just the software.

USD500 is still a lot to me (I bought the dang Seagate 7200.11 for about USD60!!!) so I'm keeping that option as a last resort. Have to find out from them as well whether USD500 is just for the software or the interfaces and hardware components as well.


Now that we're not under the heel of seagate or the corporate data recovery shills, I think it's time someone re-posted this:
http://members.shaw....000_BSY_Fix.avi

This is the PC3000 seagate BSY fix. I found this on some Russian site through google.
Just so you can see how trivial this fix actually is, if you have the right hardware. :sneaky:

It's encoded in x264, so use VLC if you can't watch it as is.

thx fuzzy_3d,
It seems to be the best solution to our problem, this video concerns st3500320as with sd15 firmware. Do you the price of this tool ?



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I receive a quotation for HDD Doctor utility (hardware and software tools) from Salvationdata. I'm waiting on an answer of my company to get this product.

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You can see all commands of your 7200.11 disc with this:
Ctrl+z
F3 T>/C
F3 C>Q
(List all commands of your hdd)
I have made all steps for pass from BUSY state to READY state, but I think that I haven't the BSY problem.
Before it, I haven't BSY flags. You can test this flags with Victoria for windows 4.46f or MHDD boot iso.
Non destructive test that I have made:
Ctrl+z
F3 T>V
F3 T>V001
F3 T>V002
...
F3 T>V1FF
Some of these list are P List, GList, Primary DST, etc.
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I use Tera Term too because it has log.
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It is freeware, install and use:
COM1
Setup->Serial Port-> COM1 38400 8 N 1
File->Log->Unmark append and create a file
Log all received bytes.
To finish log pushbuttom "Close"




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