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I find that I cannot successfully load the drivers from NV8269.exe under Windows98SE.
My monitor is a Dell 1504FP running in analogue mode. I would like the resolution to be 1024x768 and display 256 colours. At present I can only get 640x480 and 16 colours.

I have an AMD642x processor on an ASUS M2N-CM DVI motherboard which has Nvidia Geforce 7025 / nForce 630a (MCP68s) chipset and integrated Nvidia Geforce 7 Series Shader model 3.0 DirectX9 graphics processor.

Trying to load the unzipped NV8269.exe after selecting Geforce 7025 / nForce 630a I can get to a stage where Windows copies the files and says that it has finished loadingthe drivers and in “Properties” “Settings” I can move the resolution pointer 1024x768 and select 256 colours.
I then hit “apply” and reboot. This results in “Windows protection error” message and it will then only start in Safe mode and the display is back to 640x480 resolution + 16 colours and not adjustable.
“Settings” “Control Panel” “System” “Display” says that the drivers are not installed properly.

Is the problem that the graphics is integrated in the motherboard chipset and not on a PCI card or am I missing out some step in the installation procedure?
Help would be much appreciated.


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The last official Nvidia Windows 98/ME drivers version is 81.98.

82.69 does need Windows 2000 or newer.

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Thanks sfor, but 81.98_forceware_win_9x_english.exe when opened says that I have no Nvidia graphics and puts its legs in the air.

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See what you can find over here:

www.laptopvideo2go.com

I'm sure there is something to get you going.

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The forceware 81.98 does not support the newer Nvidia devices. But, there was a thread about an unofficial Nvidia driver packages, some time ago.

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[...] there was a thread about an unofficial Nvidia driver packages, some time ago.

True! Here: NVidia drivers 82.69, suddenly!

@raandjegraham: Welcome to the Win 9x/ME forums! Hope you enjoy your stay and solve your issues!

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I find that I cannot successfully load the drivers from NV8269.exe under Windows98SE.
My monitor is a Dell 1504FP running in analogue mode. I would like the resolution to be 1024x768 and display 256 colours. At present I can only get 640x480 and 16 colours.

I have an AMD642x processor on an ASUS M2N-CM DVI motherboard which has Nvidia Geforce 7025 / nForce 630a (MCP68s) chipset and integrated Nvidia Geforce 7 Series Shader model 3.0 DirectX9 graphics processor.

Trying to load the unzipped NV8269.exe after selecting Geforce 7025 / nForce 630a I can get to a stage where Windows copies the files and says that it has finished loadingthe drivers and in “Properties” “Settings” I can move the resolution pointer 1024x768 and select 256 colours.
I then hit “apply” and reboot. This results in “Windows protection error” message and it will then only start in Safe mode and the display is back to 640x480 resolution + 16 colours and not adjustable.
“Settings” “Control Panel” “System” “Display” says that the drivers are not installed properly.

Is the problem that the graphics is integrated in the motherboard chipset and not on a PCI card or am I missing out some step in the installation procedure?
Help would be much appreciated.

The last official Nvidia Windows 98/ME drivers version is 81.98.

82.69 does need Windows 2000 or newer.

Sfor :
Nvidia 82.69 does not work with Windows 2000/XP/Vista/etc [nor any other NT based OS], it is only for Windows 98, 98 SP1, 98 SE + ME, and it is the last driver [beta] ever released by Nvidia for these operating systems.
NV 82.69 is also the only driver which has LCD monitors wide screen resolutions implemented.
Please see the ReadMe:
* Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE/ME:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php
NV8269.EXE [14.5 MB, multilingual]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE
Supports theoretically most PCI, AGP + PCIe/PCIx GeForce + Quadro 5xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx, 8xxx + 9xxx series and widescreen monitors resolutions + refresh rates.
More info:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=97140

raandjegraham :
About your problems with the GeForce 7025 laptop:
I don't think this particular chipset is included in the INF chipsets list, so that's probably why your laptop locks up. :(
Also, this driver may not work properly with mobo integrated NV chipsets. [?]

If I can find the Dev ID for your chipset, I'll add it to the list [.INF].

Best wishes.

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MDCx,

Thanks for the help, rather as I thought. Just for the record the machine isn't a laptop but a DIY lash up.
I look forward to hearing more.

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NV 82.69 is also the only driver which has LCD monitors wide screen resolutions implemented. Please see the ReadMe...

I am using NVidia v77.72, which does not have a shutdown problem under Win98, together with a bfg Geforce 7800 GS OC video card (AGP, 256MB), a 20" ViewSonic VP2030b LCD monitor (max.resolution: 1600x1200), an E4500 dual core and 2GB of RAM.

Unfortunately, the widescreen resolution 1440x900 is not on the nVidia Screen Resolution menu of v77.72, confirming your statement. Most new LCD monitors, however, have the widescreen resolutions 1920x1200, 1680x1050 or 1440x900. I cannot use nVidia v82.69 because its shutdown problem erratically blacks out, on the Viewsonic under DVI, POST-info and the System Commander boot menu for the selection of operating systems.

Is there a fix for the v77.72 driver to support under Win98 newer widescreen resolutions? If not, this would be a major limitation on the usability of Win98 with modern hardware, like widescreen LCD monitors. The 16:10 widescreen resolution 1280x800 is actually displayed among the currently possible resolutions of v77.72.

On another older desktop with the same ViewSonic VP2030b LCD monitor and the same bfg Geforce 7800 GS OC video card, but with Nvidia v82.16 (not v82.69) the widescreen resolution 1440x900 is not displayed on the Screen resolution menu, and cannot be set to 1440x900 via Add Custom resolution. Is this due to the Nvidia driver or due to the ViewSonic monitor? I.e. if I upgrade from Nvidia v82.16 to v82.69, will 1440x900 appear in the Screen resolutions menu for the Viewsonic? BTW this desktop has shutdown problems because of v82.16.

I am about to buy a monitor for building a 2nd Win98-compatible desktop with modern hardware, and would like to get a widescreen LCD monitor for it, so your ideas are highly appreciated. The importance of this matter would even warrant a new topic, like "Running Win9x/ME with a widescreen LCD monitor"

BTW, your ReadMe also lists 1600x1200 as widescreen, is that a typo or really widescreen?

Edited by Multibooter, 09 January 2009 - 01:33 PM.


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Is there a fix for the v77.72 driver to support under Win98 newer widescreen resolutions? If not, this would be a major limitation on the usability of Win98 with modern hardware, like widescreen LCD monitors. The 16:10 widescreen resolution 1280x800 is actually displayed among the currently possible resolutions of v77.72.

I am right now running the v77.72 driver and have available widescreen 1680x1050, 1440x900 and 1280x800.

You just need to add the desired resolution(s) to NVAGP.INF and reinstall. Or alternately, add them also to the registry and no need for reinstall, just reboot.

The added lines for NVAGP.INF for 1440x900 and 1680x1050 are:

HKR,"MODES\8\1440,900",,,"60"
HKR,"MODES\8\1440,900",ModeRefreshRateList,,"60"

HKR,"MODES\8\1680,1050",,,"60"
HKR,"MODES\8\1680,1050",ModeRefreshRateList,,"60"

HKR,"MODES\32\1440,900",,,"60"
HKR,"MODES\32\1440,900",ModeRefreshRateList,,"60"

HKR,"MODES\32\1680,1050",,,"60"
HKR,"MODES\32\1680,1050",ModeRefreshRateList,,"60"


For my FX 5200 these entries are in the [NV30Modes.AddReg] section. You'll need to check for the correct section for your card. You can add other refresh rates per your monitor specs. Also note that I only added modes for 8 bit and 32 bit color. If you plan on ever using 16 bit then you'd need to modify the 16 bit list as well.

In the registry, you can add the resolutions and refresh rates under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Display\0000\MODES\32

(and \8 or \16). Look at the existing keys and use the same format for the new keys.

HTH! Widescreen is well worth it. :yes:

Edited by chromatic47, 11 January 2009 - 03:14 PM.


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Thanks chromatic47

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NV 82.69 is also the only driver which has LCD monitors wide screen resolutions implemented. Please see the ReadMe...

I am using NVidia v77.72, which does not have a shutdown problem under Win98, together with a bfg Geforce 7800 GS OC video card (AGP, 256MB), a 20" ViewSonic VP2030b LCD monitor (max.resolution: 1600x1200), an E4500 dual core and 2GB of RAM.

Unfortunately, the widescreen resolution 1440x900 is not on the nVidia Screen Resolution menu of v77.72, confirming your statement. Most new LCD monitors, however, have the widescreen resolutions 1920x1200, 1680x1050 or 1440x900. I cannot use nVidia v82.69 because its shutdown problem erratically blacks out, on the Viewsonic under DVI, POST-info and the System Commander boot menu for the selection of operating systems.

Is there a fix for the v77.72 driver to support under Win98 newer widescreen resolutions? If not, this would be a major limitation on the usability of Win98 with modern hardware, like widescreen LCD monitors. The 16:10 widescreen resolution 1280x800 is actually displayed among the currently possible resolutions of v77.72.

On another older desktop with the same ViewSonic VP2030b LCD monitor and the same bfg Geforce 7800 GS OC video card, but with Nvidia v82.16 (not v82.69) the widescreen resolution 1440x900 is not displayed on the Screen resolution menu, and cannot be set to 1440x900 via Add Custom resolution. Is this due to the Nvidia driver or due to the ViewSonic monitor? I.e. if I upgrade from Nvidia v82.16 to v82.69, will 1440x900 appear in the Screen resolutions menu for the Viewsonic? BTW this desktop has shutdown problems because of v82.16.

I am about to buy a monitor for building a 2nd Win98-compatible desktop with modern hardware, and would like to get a widescreen LCD monitor for it, so your ideas are highly appreciated. The importance of this matter would even warrant a new topic, like "Running Win9x/ME with a widescreen LCD monitor"

BTW, your ReadMe also lists 1600x1200 as widescreen, is that a typo or really widescreen?

I'm afraid all NV drivers older than 82.69 do not support widescreen monitor resolutions. :(
I don't have the code to mod the older drivers, and a simple manufacturer device or resolutions list INF add-in doesn't seem to work in my case [GeForce 9800 GTX+ PCIx and HannSpree 28" widescreen LCD].
Also, a mix-and-match of files from different driver versions is a no-no! Your computer(s) will lock up!
You could try to mix-and-match files of different versions, but I wouldn't recommend it, unless you have the patience to reboot to native DOS and restore a working driver numerous times.

HTH

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I'm afraid all NV drivers older than 82.69 do not support widescreen monitor resolutions. :(
I don't have the code to mod the older drivers, and a simple manufacturer device or resolutions list INF add-in doesn't seem to work in my case [GeForce 9800 GTX+ PCIx and HannSpree 28" widescreen LCD].

I must have got lucky with the FX5200 then. Weird that later cards might not accept the INF mod. At any rate I am running dual widescreen monitors LG227wtg and NEC 20WMGX2, and the NEC is on DVI. No problems except Windows 98 stubborn insistence on rounding resolutions down to a multiple of 8 when using Dualview. :blink:

Edited by chromatic47, 02 February 2009 - 08:30 PM.


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I find that I cannot successfully load the drivers from NV8269.exe under Windows98SE.
My monitor is a Dell 1504FP running in analogue mode. I would like the resolution to be 1024x768 and display 256 colours. At present I can only get 640x480 and 16 colours.

I have an AMD642x processor on an ASUS M2N-CM DVI motherboard which has Nvidia Geforce 7025 / nForce 630a (MCP68s) chipset and integrated Nvidia Geforce 7 Series Shader model 3.0 DirectX9 graphics processor.

Trying to load the unzipped NV8269.exe after selecting Geforce 7025 / nForce 630a I can get to a stage where Windows copies the files and says that it has finished loadingthe drivers and in “Properties” “Settings” I can move the resolution pointer 1024x768 and select 256 colours.
I then hit “apply” and reboot. This results in “Windows protection error” message and it will then only start in Safe mode and the display is back to 640x480 resolution + 16 colours and not adjustable.
“Settings” “Control Panel” “System” “Display” says that the drivers are not installed properly.

Is the problem that the graphics is integrated in the motherboard chipset and not on a PCI card or am I missing out some step in the installation procedure?
Help would be much appreciated.



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Dear MDGx,

 

I am using Windows 98SE, but my new Video Card (AGP Point Of View Geforce 7300GT 512RAM) does not work with NV8269.exe drivers :(

 

Setup says something like this "No Nvidia Chip Found". I tried manual install via "Have disk" forwarding  to extracted drivers folder (TEMP\NVAML.inf), then installs fine - but when system restarts - it hangs. I have to go to safe mode, remove driver - then it starts up. I do not know what to do :(. In other threads (about NV82.69 driver) it is said that it works with GF7300GT..

 

CPU Intel P4 2400Mhz, Intel D845GBV motherboard. 1GB RAM.

 

EDIT: I Also tried to intall drivers, from the Member Soporific Driver Packs. No Luck, also driver installs, but windows refuses to start up. Something I noticed, that  NVAGP.inf -manual installation via "Have Disk" refuses to install (no mached drivers found) only NVAML.inf is detecting 7300GT, installs it, but during reboot - windows does not startup normally.


Edited by Juozasu, Yesterday, 09:14 AM.


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Dear MDGx,

 

I am using Windows 98SE, but my new Video Card (AGP Point Of View Geforce 7300GT 512RAM) does not work with NV8269.exe drivers :(

 

Setup says something like this "No Nvidia Chip Found". I tried manual install via "Have disk" forwarding  to extracted drivers folder (TEMP\NVAML.inf), then installs fine - but when system restarts - it hangs. I have to go to safe mode, remove driver - then it starts up. I do not know what to do :(. In other threads (about NV82.69 driver) it is said that it works with GF7300GT..

 

CPU Intel P4 2400Mhz, Intel D850 motherboard. 1GB RAM.

 

EDIT: I Also tried to intall drivers, from the Member Soporific Driver Packs. No Luck, also driver installs, but windows refuses to start up. Something I noticed, that  NVAGP.inf -manual installation via "Have Disk" refuses to install (no mached drivers found) only NVAML.inf is detecting 7300GT, installs it, but during reboot - windows does not startup normally.

 

What size is the AGP Aperture setting in the BIOS? Try setting it to 256MB and then remove the card in Safe Mode and reinstall the driver.

512MB video cards under 9x are very, very temperamental. :crazy:



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Thank You for reply!

 

AGP aperture size in BIOS was set 64 or 128MB (As was used with integrated Video Card) And I did not change it to 512MB.


 


Edited by Juozasu, Yesterday, 01:52 AM.


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Thank You for reply!

 

AGP aperture size in BIOS was set 64 or 128MB (As was used with integrated Video Card) And I did not change it to 512MB.


 

The AGP Aperture and the size of the card are not the same thing. I wouldn't expect you to change the AGP Aperture to 512MB as most systems don't even allow this. I meant that in order to use a 512MB card, you will probably need to set a 256MB AGP Aperture in the BIOS. If it works like this, then you can experiment with smaller aperture settings.



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You need to buy (and install with option /M if I remember correctly) rloew's RAM patch for using a 512MB graphic card, it won't work without it.

 

After that you need to set an adequate amount of AGP aperture in BIOS otherwise it won't boot either. 64 or 128MB should do. In my experience 256MB or above don't work.

 

As I understand  it (perhaps wrongly) AGP aperture  is a RAM substitute for video memory so the more memory there is on the graphic card the less aperture should be needed..



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rloew's patch has an /A option for handling certain older graphics drivers, but it apparently has no effect on systems using the latest version of the nVidia or ATI drivers (reported this and discussed with rloew). I do recommend the RAM patch regardless though.

 

In my case any AGP Aperture setting less than 256MB will not work at all for any 512MB card that I have tried under 98SE (7200GS/7600GS/7950GT). There doesn't seem to be much logic to this, it apparently varies significantly by hardware.

 

The real mind bender is that Windows 95 will work with the 512MB cards, with a 64MB AGP Aperture set. :wacko:


Edited by LoneCrusader, Yesterday, 09:42 PM.


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512MB video cards under 9x are very, very temperamental. :crazy:


Temperamental is certainly a good description. Now we know 512MB video cards can work under 9x.
But apparently it depends critically on the hardware, so they are far from being a sure bet.

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512MB video cards under 9x are very, very temperamental. :crazy:


Temperamental is certainly a good description. Now we know 512MB video cards can work under 9x.
But apparently it depends critically on the hardware, so they are far from being a sure bet.

I set out on a mission to get to the root of the issue a couple of months back, but I wonder just how deep does the rabbit hole go?

 

I'm also seriously questioning the value of the tradeoff required in order to use a 512MB card.

For example, I can use a 256MB card and have 3712MB or 3584MB of RAM available to Windows when running rloew's patch + 4GB of RAM.

When I switch to a 512MB card, the available memory in Windows drops to 3328MB or 3072MB, depending on the board.

So, in order to gain 256MB of video memory, one must sacrifice 512MB of system memory. Unless a solution to the aperture setting differences mystery (or a way to control BIOS memory allocation for the cards) is found to alleviate this, this almost makes it not worth the trouble.

I'd hate to see what a 1GB or larger card would do to the system memory...

 

 

For a long time I was unable to get any 512MB card to work at all under 98SE. Then one day they started working if I set 256MB AGP Apertures. Anything less and they will fail, contradictory to what loblo and others have observed on their own machines.

 

The slightest change to any part of the Windows configuration can cause the card to stop working, and it's a nightmare to get it going again. I've had this happen on two machines, one of which I still haven't managed to cure.

 

Then we enter the realm of PCI-Express cards. Since PCI-E boards don't have AGP Aperture settings, it gets even more convoluted. I have one machine where neither a 256MB or 512MB 7950GT PCI-E will work under 98SE, but they both work under 95.

 

The most interesting discovery at this point is that the 82.69 driver (and presumably 82.16 as well since 81.98 does) works with Windows 95, and Windows 95 will use the 512MB cards with only a 64MB AGP Aperture setting, when 98SE will not.


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