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Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:10 AM

View PostTheWalrus, on Jan 16 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

Changing the VGA doesn't change anything. The biggest impact on the score has 1) CPU 2) MB
in that order, from what I heard.


Hmmm, don't think so:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

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What hardware gets checked?

The WPA system checks ten categories of hardware:
  • Display Adapter
  • SCSI Adapter
  • IDE Adapter (effectively the motherboard)
  • Network Adapter (NIC) and its MAC Address
  • RAM Amount Range (i.e., 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc.)
  • Processor Type
  • Processor Serial Number
  • Hard Drive Device
  • Hard Drive Volume Serial Number (VSN)
  • CD-ROM / CD-RW / DVD-ROM


It then calculates and records a number based on the first device of each type that was found during setup, and stores this number on your hard drive. Initially, this is sent to Microsoft in an automatic dial-up, together with the Product ID number derived from the 25-character unique Product Key used in setting up Windows.

If Service Pack 1 has been installed, the entire Product Key is also transmitted: This can then be checked against a list of known pirated keys

The hardware is checked each time Windows boots, to ensure that it is still on the same machine. Also, if you subsequently perform a complete format and reinstall of Windows, Microsoft’s activation center will have to be contacted again because the information held on the machine itself (the number previously written to your hard drive) will have been wiped out by reformatting the hard drive. If your hardware is substantially the same, this will be done by an automated call without your needing to talk to anyone.

What does ‘substantially the same’ mean?
WPA asks for ‘votes’ from each of these ten categories: ‘Is the same device still around, or has there never been one?’ Seven Yes votes means all is well — and a NIC, present originally and not changed, counts for three yes votes! Minor cards, like sound cards, don’t come into the mix at all. If you keep the motherboard, with the same amount of RAM and processor, and an always present cheap NIC (available for $10 or less), you can change everything else as much as you like.

If you change the device in any category, you have lost that Yes vote — but will not lose it any more thereafter if you make changes in that category again. So, for example, you can install a new video display card every month for as long as you like.

Note that it appears that if you boot with a device disabled (disabled — not removed), the device is not found in the enumeration — so if, say, you disable a network connection which uses the NIC and then reboot, you may be missing its three votes and find that a new activation is needed. If you are doing such things, take the Hint 3 in What about formatting a hard disk? below, and restore the files concerned once the NIC is back in service.


I underlined the part that both you and Tripredacus seem to have "missed".

jaclaz


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Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:42 AM

cool! thanks

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 01:16 PM

That page was about xp, I don't know if wpa is any different in vista?

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 01:06 PM

View Postjaclaz, on Jan 16 2009, 08:10 AM, said:

View PostTheWalrus, on Jan 16 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

Changing the VGA doesn't change anything. The biggest impact on the score has 1) CPU 2) MB
in that order, from what I heard.


Hmmm, don't think so:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

Quote

What hardware gets checked?

The WPA system checks ten categories of hardware:
  • Display Adapter
  • SCSI Adapter
  • IDE Adapter (effectively the motherboard)
  • Network Adapter (NIC) and its MAC Address
  • RAM Amount Range (i.e., 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc.)
  • Processor Type
  • Processor Serial Number
  • Hard Drive Device
  • Hard Drive Volume Serial Number (VSN)
  • CD-ROM / CD-RW / DVD-ROM


It then calculates and records a number based on the first device of each type that was found during setup, and stores this number on your hard drive. Initially, this is sent to Microsoft in an automatic dial-up, together with the Product ID number derived from the 25-character unique Product Key used in setting up Windows.

If Service Pack 1 has been installed, the entire Product Key is also transmitted: This can then be checked against a list of known pirated keys

The hardware is checked each time Windows boots, to ensure that it is still on the same machine. Also, if you subsequently perform a complete format and reinstall of Windows, Microsoft’s activation center will have to be contacted again because the information held on the machine itself (the number previously written to your hard drive) will have been wiped out by reformatting the hard drive. If your hardware is substantially the same, this will be done by an automated call without your needing to talk to anyone.

What does ‘substantially the same’ mean?
WPA asks for ‘votes’ from each of these ten categories: ‘Is the same device still around, or has there never been one?’ Seven Yes votes means all is well — and a NIC, present originally and not changed, counts for three yes votes! Minor cards, like sound cards, don’t come into the mix at all. If you keep the motherboard, with the same amount of RAM and processor, and an always present cheap NIC (available for $10 or less), you can change everything else as much as you like.

If you change the device in any category, you have lost that Yes vote — but will not lose it any more thereafter if you make changes in that category again. So, for example, you can install a new video display card every month for as long as you like.

Note that it appears that if you boot with a device disabled (disabled — not removed), the device is not found in the enumeration — so if, say, you disable a network connection which uses the NIC and then reboot, you may be missing its three votes and find that a new activation is needed. If you are doing such things, take the Hint 3 in What about formatting a hard disk? below, and restore the files concerned once the NIC is back in service.


I underlined the part that both you and Tripredacus seem to have "missed".

jaclaz


No man, I know it allows that, but I did whole-sale changes. Such as I'd be changing video card and capture card, plus disable the 5 or so devices in the BIOS. That would be enough I'd think.

Actually, we use OA2 for our licensing, I was really trying to get Vista to blow up its activation that way to see if I could reactivate it using our stuff. It was coming down to me making my decision to purchase Vista using OA2 VLK or using a retail disk, in order to ease upgrade issues. My idea was that if I could reinstall the OA2 license and unlock Vista again after it lost its activation, that would be the way to go for me. Except I couldn't get it to blow up so I'm still left wondering which Vista release I'd rather use...

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