[Gradius2]

BradC, on Jan 21 2009, 03:47 AM, said:

Guys I'm new here.. I've got 10 DiamondMax22 1TB drives with MX15 in a RAID-6 and I'm hoping when I next power cycle them they come back up..

I just thought this might come in handy. It's a USB->3.3v TTL converter used to program the Parallax Propeller chip. It has a standard FTDI USB interface on it and by clipping 2 pins off the TTL connector it will plug right into the back of the seagate drives perfectly.

http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrol...98/Default.aspx

I know Parallax have distributors across the globe, so I thought those of you looking for USB->TTL converts might find this handy.

I'm taking one home with me just in case my drives fail when I shut the machine down to firmware upgrade them (provided Seagate actually gets a fix out anyway).

Hope this might help someone.

Cheers..
<edit> Oh friggin 'eck. I've just read the Seagate forums. I'm not that BradC!

$25 is too expensive though.

This one does the same thing for 50% off.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMaga...B&_osacat=0

robintay, on Jan 21 2009, 10:55 AM, said:

Will I be able to recover my data using the method stated in Post#1?

Depends.

If you're getting CC, BSY and/or 0 LBA error, then yes.

Gradius

[Gradius2]

kadolf, on Jan 21 2009, 05:29 AM, said:

I don't get the CC message, but the method of "unbricking" 0LBA-drives does not work. Seems like I have to wait for any news or for an answer from Seagate.

Is because the error you're getting when you try to write a new partition information (regenerating them) is different from the rest of us here.

Since your HD is recognized by BIOS, you'll need to wait until Seagate put a new firmware available to your drive.

Gradius

[Gradius2]

I have just put online the final and revised guide:
http://www.msfn.org/...howtopic=128807

Gradius

This post has been edited by Gradius2: 21 January 2009 - 10:30 AM

[CoRpO]

Gradius2, on Jan 20 2009, 11:45 PM, said:

The whole stuff complete to fire up:


And on this photo (above) is the TRICK here, see that little paper card (CR2032) ?

You can even put someting just between motor contact / pcb without removing any screw. Just need a 1cm large paper card, and unscrew a bit the screw near that point. This way, no fear to let anything move, let fall a screw on the pcb ...

Anyway nice tuto. Having been seeking like a mad on hddguru this solution for weeks. Still needs my TTL adapter

This post has been edited by CoRpO: 21 January 2009 - 03:31 PM

[Gradius2]

CoRpO, on Jan 21 2009, 06:28 PM, said:

You can even put someting just between motor contact / pcb without removing any screw. Just need a 1cm large paper card, and unscrew a bit the screw near that point. This way, no fear to let anything move, let fall a screw on the pcb ...

Anyway nice tuto. Having been seeking like a mad on hddguru this solution for weeks. Still needs my TTL adapter

Yes, but is a lot less intrusive and forceless just to unscrew 1 or 2 screws.

After putting the paper card, you can work with just 1 screw, after the entire job is done, you can screw the last one (in case of 2 screws).

Here is the photo, you only need to work with this screw (the one in red):


Gradius

This post has been edited by Gradius2: 21 January 2009 - 04:15 PM

[fatlip]

Sorry all, I was not able to film the fix today. I was in a hurry to get it done as I had other commitments. However, I can say that it was successfully unbricked.

[Hazor]

Gradius2, on Jan 21 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

DeadST3500320AS, on Jan 20 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

Does this look like it would work?
http://alldav.com/index.php?main_page=prod...d6ba656f1d26c58
Looks like only $4 in US shipped.

Yes, it will. I used a more expensive one, yet more simple:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_i...products_id=449

Includes full pics and schematic.

Gradius

Also note that with this one from alldav.com, it doesn't have pins on the gnd/rx/tx/vcc to connect your jumpers. I had my dad solder to it some of the headers that came with the jumper wires I got. I'm about to attempt the BSY fix with that adapter. I'll let you know how it goes.

Also, Gradius: Not all the PCBs are like that. I have the rectangular one like Fatlip has on his:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=&...st&p=823633
So it may be a little bit different in which or how many screws need to be removed. I'm going to try to do the paper thing also. I'll report how it goes, and see about some pictures for anyone interested.

This post has been edited by Hazor: 21 January 2009 - 07:28 PM

[Gradius2]

Hazor, on Jan 21 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

Also note that with this one from alldav.com, it doesn't have pins on the gnd/rx/tx/vcc to connect your jumpers. I had my dad solder to it some of the headers that came with the jumper wires I got. I'm about to attempt the BSY fix with that adapter. I'll let you know how it goes.

This is why I included a complete kit (wire jumpers + headers) there.

Quote

Also, Gradius: Not all the PCBs are like that. I have the rectangular one like Fatlip has on his:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=&...st&p=823633
So it may be a little bit different in which or how many screws need to be removed. I'm going to try to do the paper thing also. I'll report how it goes, and see about some pictures for anyone interested.

They sure can vary from HDD to HDD, but the principle is just the same and won't change.

This post has been edited by Gradius2: 21 January 2009 - 07:44 PM

[Hazor]

:S Well, that was anticlimactic. I hooked it all up, powered on, and in hyperterminal I'm getting nothing. I switched the RX/TX lines (One fellow said he has his RX-RX and TX-TX instead of RX-TX and TX-RX, so I figured maybe mine was mislabled also), and still Ctrl+Z in hyperterminal does nothing. :S Any ideas?

Edit: Nevermind. I have two COM port options, COM1 and COM3, I forgot to try COM1 again after switching the RX and TX connections. I've got the prompt now, using RX-RX and TX-TX.. Hm.. Mislabeled or? killerB, any chance you're using the alldav.com adapter too?

This post has been edited by Hazor: 21 January 2009 - 08:39 PM

[Gradius2]

Hazor, on Jan 21 2009, 11:07 PM, said:

:S Well, that was anticlimactic. I hooked it all up, powered on, and in hyperterminal I'm getting nothing. I switched the RX/TX lines (One fellow said he has his RX-RX and TX-TX instead of RX-TX and TX-RX, so I figured maybe mine was mislabled also), and still Ctrl+Z in hyperterminal does nothing. :S Any ideas?

Edit: Nevermind. I have two COM port options, COM1 and COM3, I forgot to try COM1 again after switching the RX and TX connections. I've got the prompt now.

Keep in mind all the commands are case-sensitive.

Plus, double check the speed, it MUST be 38400 8 N 1

I see you managed to get an answer from terminal though.

[NEO_AMiGA]

Oooh. Oki. How about this one then?

http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/DataShee...232R3V3_v09.pdf

Or this one:

http://www.lawicel-shop.se/shop/custom/pro...0&refcode=p

THe usb-one sounds sweet.

Gradius2, on Jan 21 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

NEO_AMiGA, on Jan 21 2009, 03:13 AM, said:

Hey guys!

Trying to find components here in Sweden to build me my own interface. Since Seagate are giving us the silent treatment I don't have to much hope in them saving my data (atleast not within reasonable time).

The problem is that I'm having a hard time finding the RS232 to TTL converter. I have emailed the biggest electronic component store and asked, but they are probably sleeping at the moment. =) SO thought I'd check with you guys if you think that any of the pasted names links below could do it?

FT232BL USB - seriellt if LQFP32
https://www1.elfa.se/data1/wwwroot/webroot/...TA/07320658.pdf

Cheers!

The problem is that none there is in clear text RS232 to TTL. But maybe TTL is referred to as something else also?

FT232BL will works just fine, the problem it looks like IC only, and not mounted (ready to use).

Like this one:
http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMaga...B&_osacat=0

Gradius

[Anth]

Look what Seagate has posted again today!!!

http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/self...951&Hilite=

Yup the ST3500320AS etc. firmware

No STM3500320AS etc versions yet tho.

Looks like its labled as the same as last time, tho i never checked.

[Gradius2]

Okay, they finally released a different (fixed?) firmware today for those drives:

STD Firmware Updates Barracuda 7200.11 SD1A 3 and 4 Disc Models
(750GB and 1000GB) Distribution tabs
ST3750330AS 9BX156
ST3750630AS 9BX146
ST31000340AS 9BX158
Generic Disty/STD-OEM, 16MB and 32MB, SATA Configurations, Moose

SHA1 comparing NEW with old firmware:

c:Seagate>sha1sum SD1A3D4D.LOD SD1AMOOS.LOD
b07e3a9ccf49185bc681f858c6ce568b45dd0ae5  SD1A3D4D.LOD (new)
268c6931e85936cfac3871c5baaee0c327186233  SD1AMOOS.LOD (old)

I guess I'll be forced to open another topic to talk about firmware only.

Edit: currently there is a problem with board, I'll wait until they fix that, meanwhile I'll make some tests, etc. If you can wait couple hours, just wait!

NEO_AMiGA, on Jan 22 2009, 01:51 AM, said:

Oooh. Oki. How about this one then?

http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/DataShee...232R3V3_v09.pdf

Or this one:

http://www.lawicel-shop.se/shop/custom/pro...0&refcode=p

THe usb-one sounds sweet.

Every RS232 to TTL will works, also USB to RS232 to TTL, also will works.

To a complete list of materials, please check the 1st msg on this topic (I included everything there, links and even prices).

This post has been edited by puntoMX: 22 January 2009 - 03:42 PM

[Gradius2]

About firmware, I'll just post here.

They finally released a different (fixed?) firmware today for those drives:

STD Firmware Updates Barracuda 7200.11 SD1A 3 and 4 Disc Models
(750GB and 1000GB) Distribution tabs
ST3750330AS 9BX156
ST3750630AS 9BX146
ST31000340AS 9BX158
Generic Disty/STD-OEM, 16MB and 32MB, SATA Configurations, Moose

SHA1 comparing NEW with old firmware:

c:Seagate>sha1sum SD1A3D4D.LOD SD1AMOOS.LOD
b07e3a9ccf49185bc681f858c6ce568b45dd0ae5  SD1A3D4D.LOD (new)
268c6931e85936cfac3871c5baaee0c327186233  SD1AMOOS.LOD (old)

This is what flash.bat does:

fdl462b -m Moose -f SD1A3D4D.LOD -i ST3750330AS -s -x -b -v -a 20

fdl462b -m Moose -f SD1A3D4D.LOD -i ST3750630AS -s -x -b -v -a 20

fdl462b -m Moose -f SD1A3D4D.LOD -i ST31000340AS -s -x -b -v -a 20

I flashed all my 4x750GB, however 3 of them were with SD1AMOOS.LOD already installed, and I still don't know if it really re-flashed with new one.

How to boot Seagate firmware from a pendrive.

You'll just need a bootable pendrive (of course), with MS-DOS 6.22, or similar DOS.

How to extract Seagate ISO:

Open ISO with 7zip, extract the Bootable_1.44M.img file inside [BOOT] folder (inside the ISO).

Then open Bootable_1.44M.img file with Power ISO, or Magic ISO, or Ultra ISO, similar, and extract SD1A3D4D.ZIP file inside.

You only need to copy those files (unziped) to your bootable pendrive, and you're done to boot with pendrive.

At prompt just type flash (flash.bat) and it will do the rest.

This post has been edited by puntoMX: 22 January 2009 - 03:43 PM

[Gradius2]

Before, with SD15 firmware:


After with SD1A:


S.M.A.R.T.:


Random Read tests:


Write test:

[NEO_AMiGA]

Gradius2, on Jan 22 2009, 04:31 PM, said:

NEO_AMiGA, on Jan 22 2009, 01:51 AM, said:

Oooh. Oki. How about this one then?

http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/DataShee...232R3V3_v09.pdf

Or this one:

http://www.lawicel-shop.se/shop/custom/pro...0&refcode=p

THe usb-one sounds sweet.

Every RS232 to TTL will works, also USB to RS232 to TTL, also will works.

To a complete list of materials, please check the 1st msg on this topic (I included everything there, links and even prices).

Thanks man. You're a lifesaver. I'll order both. Because if I'm not mistaken I really only need the USB one and just hook that directly up to the TX and RX-port of the disk. Should work if i have understood it all correctly. But I'll play it safe and order both.

Thanks man.

[Gradius2]

First impressions for firmware SD1A:

- Better reading speed (more stable)
- Better writing speed (more stable)
- Burst rate went from 82.4MB/sec to 89.9MB/sec (much better)
- Access time from 12.4ms to 12.3ms now (no changes)

No problems so far.

Tested on 4 (four) ST3750330AS [750GB] (originally: SD15, now using SD1A).

Currently testing defrag with diskeeper, it is running for over 6h now (@ 66% atm), so far so good, the drive is 44% full.

This post has been edited by Gradius2: 22 January 2009 - 03:34 PM

[Hazor]

I'm happy to report success on fixing the BSY flag for my drive. Thank you very much, Fatlip, Pichi, Gradius, et al.
I did not have the 0GB problem, however, so I have nothing to report on that.

One thing I'd like to discuss is this:

F3 T>m0,2,2,,,,,22
Max Wr Retries = 00, Max Rd Retries = 00, Max ECC T-Level = 14, Max Certify Rewr
ite Retries = 00C8
User Partition Format   5% complete, Zone 00, Pass 00, LBA 00004339, ErrCode 000
User Partition Format   5% complete, Zone 00, Pass 00, LBA 00008DED, ErrCode 000
00080, Elapsed Time 0 mins 10 secs
User Partition Format Successful - Elapsed Time 0 mins 10 secs

F3 T>

The m0,2,2,,,,,22 command took several minutes. I was concerned after about 2-3 minutes considering previous statements that the command should only take 15-30 seconds or a bit over 1 minute, but it finished anyway. So for those yet to do this: Don't panic if it takes a while.

I wonder though, does the time it took have to do with the number of partitions? I have ten partitions, including several logical partitions for various Linux installs. I'm doubting that it's due to space used on the drive as I know some folks must've had more than 200GB used. It can't be much to do with the processor speed, I'm on a Core 2 Duo e7300 2.66GHz.

Also, for the other people who have shown their output, only one User Partition Format line was reported - in the above I have two. Should I be concerned about that? Considering that it's working just fine I don't think so, but better safe than sorry. Could it be because I have extended partitions and those who have shown their output only have primary partitions?

This post has been edited by Hazor: 22 January 2009 - 03:40 PM

[kadolf]

Great news (at least for me): I managed to get my drive back to a useable state. If you remember, I was the only one getting a strange error while doing the m0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22 thing, some said my disk is physical dead, others said it's another firmware bug of the SD11-firmware on my drive.
Well, both guesses were wrong: I tried the whole thing with another PC and it worked, so it had something to do with my COM-port. The strange thing was that I could connect to my HDD via COM-port flawlessly, but instead of the sucess-confirmation I got an "User Partition Format was not sucessful" error.
With another PC it worked great, BIOS now recognized the drive, but the RAID0 was gone... I found a great tool solving this problem: File Scavenger. It's $50, but it works like a charm (e.g. it can make a software raid and backup the data even when the hardware raid doesn't work) - I'm confident that in about 20 hours I will have all my data back.

Thanks to all of you helping me and solving the issue!

This post has been edited by kadolf: 22 January 2009 - 03:50 PM

[Gradius2]

Hazor, on Jan 22 2009, 06:38 PM, said:

The m0,2,2,,,,,22 command took several minutes. I was concerned after about 2-3 minutes considering previous statements that the command should only take 15-30 seconds or a bit over 1 minute, but it finished anyway. So for those yet to do this: Don't panic if it takes a while.

I wonder though, does the time it took have to do with the number of partitions? I have ten partitions, including several logical partitions for various Linux installs. I'm doubting that it's due to space used on the drive as I know some folks must've had more than 200GB used. It can't be much to do with the processor speed, I'm on a Core 2 Duo e7300 2.66GHz.

Also, for the other people who have shown their output, only one User Partition Format line was reported - in the above I have two. Should I be concerned about that? Considering that it's working just fine I don't think so, but better safe than sorry. Could it be because I have extended partitions and those who have shown their output only have primary partitions?

That depends a lot on drive, the smaller and more partitions on HDD (500GB or less), the slower it is. But 2~3 minutes for those drives is normal.

My 750GB took around 70secs.

It won't depends on computer at all. It writes on service sector (isn't for user datas).

You're safe to test, if you see not all partitions are there, stop using and report here.

kadolf, on Jan 22 2009, 06:47 PM, said:

Great news (at least for me): I managed to get my drive back to a useable state. If you remember, I was the only one getting a strange error while doing the m0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22 thing, some said my disk is physical dead, others said it's another firmware bug of the SD11-firmware on my drive.
Well, both guesses were wrong: I tried the whole thing with another PC and it worked, so it had something to do with my COM-port. The strange thing was that I could connect to my HDD via COM-port flawlessly, but instead of the sucess-confirmation I got an "User Partition Format was not sucessful" error.
With another PC it worked great, BIOS now recognized the drive, but the RAID0 was gone... I found a great tool solving this problem: File Scavenger. It's $50, but it works like a charm (e.g. it can make a software raid and backup the data even when the hardware raid doesn't work) - I'm confident that in about 20 hours I will have all my data back.

Thanks to all of you helping me and solving the issue!

I see, your problem was really totally different from the others.

Keep in mind RAID 0 is the most risky and excelent to loss all your datas, IF just one drive goes down (crash, etc), you might lost everything, no matter if the other drives are working 100% fine.

This post has been edited by puntoMX: 24 January 2009 - 06:13 PM