[smandurlo]

Gradius2, on 18 June 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Looks like Samsung is also a good (cheap) alternative.

well, now Samsung is Seagate...

Quote

Is time to change, specially when many of us know the real future is indeed SSD drivers, when they fail you can still easily read all the stuff there, just cannot write/erase/format anymore. The same will never happen with HDDs.

I agree, but unfortunately now they are too small for storage.

This post has been edited by smandurlo: 18 June 2012 - 09:57 AM

[Gradius2]

Bumangero, on 12 May 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Conclusion: Never ever give up!

That's right, and don't forget the Pizza + beer (or wine!).

[KingZ]

Gradius2, on 18 June 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Btw, the Seagate list with FW problem is:
Barracuda 7200.11
ST31000340AS
ST3750330AS
ST3750630AS
ST3640330AS
ST3640530AS
ST3500320AS
ST3500620AS
ST3500820AS
ST31500341AS
ST31000333AS
ST3640323AS
ST3640623AS
ST3320613AS
ST3320813AS
ST3160813AS

Barracuda ES.2 SATA
ST31000340NS
ST3750330NS
ST3500320NS
ST3250310NS
STM3320614AS
STM3160813AS

DiamondMax 22
STM31000340AS
STM3750330AS
STM31000334AS
STM3500320AS

SV35
ST31000340SV
ST3750330SV
ST3500320SV
ST3320410SV

Hi this is my first post in this forum. My friend gave me his PC with the following drive that has the same symptoms as listed in this forum.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3750528AS

Would this be also included in this list? I want to know exactly before I start fooling around with it. Thanks!

KingZ

[jaclaz]

KingZ, on 27 June 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Hi this is my first post in this forum. My friend gave me his PC with the following drive that has the same symptoms as listed in this forum.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3750528AS

Would this be also included in this list? I want to know exactly before I start fooling around with it. Thanks!

KingZ

Good.
Please answer this question:
Is in your view a
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3750528AS
a Seagate 7200.11?
If you answer NO, you posted on the WRONG thread as this is RESERVED to 7200.11 ONLY.
If you answer YES, you should see an optician , as, besides missing the thread title and the difference between 1 and 2 you also missed reading the Read-me-first, where among other consideration is written:

Quote

If you have been pointed to this, it means that you failed to read here before posting there yet another time one of those SAME questions/problems.

The intended Target:
The scope of a thread about problems of Seagate 7200.11 drives is to try and solve two specific problems:

• BSY - or "busy" state
  
• LBA0 - or drive detected by BIOS with size 0

that are caused on a specific model (the 7200.11) by a specific firmware bug
....
The non-targets:

• ANY other problem regarding this specific hard disk model (Seagate 7200.11)
  
• ANY problem regarding ANY hard disk BUT this specific one (Seagate 7200.11)
  
• ANYTHING NOT listed as "target"

and you have anyway posted on the WRONG thread .

Please start a NEW thread for issues with the 7200.12 and/or search for posts about the 7200.12 which is NOT the 7200.11.
(there are DIFFERENT procedures - mostly UNknown/UNdocumented - for issues with the 7200.12)

jaclaz

[mentalmike]

Hi, I'd be grateful for any help that can be given!

I have a Seagate ST31000340AS with firmware SD81. I have been trying to apply the fix shown here but haven't succeeded.

I have got a USB cable connected to my drive and can connect via hyper terminal. When following the steps I have a similar problem to what AVIATEL was having on page 206 when trying the Z command:

F3 T>/2

F3 2>Z

LED:000000CE FAddr:00280575
LED:000000CE FAddr:00280575

I always get this error no matter how long I seem to leave between pressing ctrl + z and any other command. The motor pins are not touching - I have card in between.

Background info about the drive it constantly sounds like it is spinning up then down, once I hit Z this stops and I get the LED:000000CE FAddr:00280575 resposnce in the terminal.

Any suggestions on what to do or try now would be much appreciated!

[mentalmike]

I have managed to get one step further by removing all the screws:

F3 T>/2

F3 2>Z

Spin Down Complete
Elapsed Time 0.155 msecs
F3 2>U

once I send the U command I can hear that the drive is trying to spin up but seems to spin up and then down endlessly. The sound isn't a buzz but a whirring sound.

So again it sounds like the same problem as AVIATEL. He was recommended to read a few posts higher by Jaclaz - which post was this specifically?

I'm guessing I have a bigger problem than the standard bsy problem?

[jaclaz]

mentalmike, on 06 July 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

So again it sounds like the same problem as AVIATEL. He was recommended to read a few posts higher by Jaclaz - which post was this specifically?

Probably this one:
http://www.msfn.org/.../page__st__4080
AND links in it.

jaclaz

[mentalmike]

jaclaz, on 07 July 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Probably this one:
http://www.msfn.org/.../page__st__4080
AND links in it.

jaclaz

Thanks for the reply jaclaz.

I have tried this:
"Easy test, holding the drive in your hand, with NO power attached, then try slowly rotating it from a horizontal position to a vertical one and continue until you have completely flipped over the drive.
Power it up and try doing the same movements, you'll notice immediately (if it is spinning ) a kind of resistance due to the gyroscopic effect of the rotating platter(s)."

I can feel the drive spin up, then spin down, then spin up and down in an endless loop. What I can't feel or hear compared to a drive that I know works is the heads moving - no clicking, no feeling of them seeking at power up.

Any advice on what I can do or is it a case of send it away for data recovery?

[jaclaz]

mentalmike, on 07 July 2012 - 05:08 AM, said:

Any advice on what I can do or is it a case of send it away for data recovery?

It could be something completely UNrelated to the "main issue" described in this thread.
Is the disk LBA0 or BSY?

What I personally would do would be:

• clean the contacts (BOTH heads and motor one) THOROUGHFULLY
  
• try, following it to the letter, this guide:
  http://www.mapleleaf...agatebrick.html
  
• try at first with the head contacts insulated, if it doesn't work, try again with the motor contacts insulated.

jaclaz

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 07 July 2012 - 07:57 AM

[smandurlo]

I fixed a drive spinning on and off like yours. I used the normal procedure in the first page, the last command (m0,2,2,,,,,22) the drive spinned off for several minutes and then it spinned on again.

Check my experience in this post. Anyway I am not the only one, another user had the same result.

[ChuckleHut]

This worked for me, without the need for the optional step. I'm now copying data off that drive. Thank you. This has been a great help.


One thing - the last step didn't take 15-30 seconds, it took a few minutes. The output came in three steps, with a minute or so in between. But still as expected.

[BlouBul]

ChuckleHut, on 19 July 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

, without the need for the optional step.

One thing - the last step didn't take 15-30 seconds, it took a few minutes. The output came in three steps, with a minute or so in between. But still as expected.

That is because you did not do the optional power down. It can take up to a couple of hours (or forever) if you do not do that

ChuckleHut, on 19 July 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

This worked for me,.. I'm now copying data off that drive. Thank you. This has been a great help.

Anyway, glad you managed to fix it

[smandurlo]

BlouBul, on 19 July 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

That is because you did not do the optional power down. It can take up to a couple of hours (or forever) if you do not do that

I disagree, it happens both if you power down or if you don't power down the drive.

[jaclaz]

@BlouBul
@smandurlo

It is so RARE an occasion to be able to disagree with BOTH of you that I cannot miss it .

You seem to forget how the "solution" is actually the solution to an original quite "narrow" problem, or actually is/was a cure for a single, specific "illness" that presents/presented with two specific symptoms (LBA0 and BSY).
At the beginning of this story, we knew for a fact that these Seagate disks had this "congenital" disease, that presented itself with these symptoms.

But the cure was intended for the illness, NOT for the symptoms (if provoked by another illness).

Let's take Aspirin as an example.
http://en.wikipedia....in#Medical_uses
Aspirin is good for "common cold" and consequent fever.
Aspirin is also very good for "rheumatic fever".

BUT it is NOT a cure for *any* fever and actually doses to cure the two different kind of fevers above are VERY different AND the time needed to have a positive effect varies.
A patient having a "common cold" will be threated with Aspirin for (say) three days with relatively low dosage.
A patient having a "acute rheumatic fever" will be threated with Aspirin for one, two or more weeks with relatively high dosage.

If you prefer the same "cure" when applied to different illnesses will produce beneficial results in different times.

We know (or presume to know) that when we apply the "solution" to a disk that is in either BSY or LBA0 BECAUSE of the original log position issue, the message comes out in a few seconds.
We also know that in some cases the time needed to get to that message is much longer.
This could well be because these latter disks (expecially if recent and not being affected by the congenital "factory + SD15" issue) have another illness, let's call it "rheumatic fever", that - by pure chance - has the same symptoms of "fever", BUT that is NOT caused by "common cold".
It is also well possible that the "optional power down" is not-so-optional when curing "common cold", but it is vital (or completely unneeded and possibly counter-productive) when curing "rheumatic fever"....

jaclaz

[smandurlo]

jaclaz, on 19 July 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

@smandurlo

It is so RARE an occasion to be able to disagree with BOTH of you that I cannot miss it .

Indeed u could miss it... I just said "it happens if u both power down or not". Was it different from what you said? Yes, my sentence was just shorter...

(jaclaz, davvero, mi ci è voluta una flebo per arrivare a metà e poi ho gettato la spugna. Alla fine il succo è che spegnerlo o meno cambia nulla)

[BlouBul]

jaclaz, on 19 July 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

It is so RARE an occasion to be able to disagree with BOTH of you that I cannot miss it .

I actually agree with you (except for the part where you are saying that you are disagreeing with me)
What I meant (maybe it did not quite came out that way) was:

Quote

It can take up to a couple of hours (or forever) if you do not do that

meaning it is not necessarily a problem, but when it is a problem, then it is usually when someone did not power down (probably due to the rheumatic fever case (BTW good explanation), where I think it is needed.).

[jaclaz]

Well, as I see it we miss a "core" requisite in computing, which is "repeatability".

We have *any* number of different people that use (very often for the first time in their life) *different* or *slightly different* sets of instructions to do some *magic* on different disks (different serial/models, different period of manufacture, different factory, different firmwares, different PCB's versions and much more than that possibly different "root" issues) and that normally report (WHEN they report some details) only partially the info about the recovery they succeeded with, and in many cases this info is missing alltogether or plainly wrong.

Now if there was a repeatable way for a same experimenter to "intentionally" brick a number of *same* disks (same model, same period of manufacture, same factory, same firmware, same PCB version) in EXACTLY the same manner, and the results of these tests were confirmed by another independent experimenter, then we would have some certainties.

As a matter of fact we are currently (at least I feel like being) much more near to
http://en.wikipedia....tional_medicine
than to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine

Not completely unlike a tribal wizard or sorcerer, we provide our experience on similar cases, not really knowing what the heck happens when we apply the "cure" nor what has happened before (the cause or origin of the illness), only knowing that in some, similar cases with similar symptoms this particular spell has produced a positive effect .

The disagreement was only related to the fact that both of you presented your opinions or (educated ) guesses, as "only and undeniable truth", while they are - at the most - the (diverging) results of your experience and/or observations.

http://en.wikipedia...._I_know_nothing


jaclaz

[JuergenD]

After finally establishing a connection with my ST3500620AS HP24 via a cloned CA-42 cable (it took forever to find a driver), I wound up with the following output:

F3 T>m0,2,2,,,,,22
Max Wr Retries = 00, Max Rd Retries = 00, Max ECC T-Level = 14, Max Certify Rewr
ite Retries = 00C8

User Partition Format Successful - Elapsed Time 0 mins 00 secs

F3 T>

Note, the elapsed time is 0, 00 and at least one line seems to be misssing. The drive is still not recognized by a SATA to USB Hard Drive Dock. What am I missing?

Juergen

This post has been edited by JuergenD: 21 July 2012 - 05:13 PM

[BlouBul]

Can you see it in BIOS (and is it working) if you connect it directly to your computer via SATA?

[JuergenD]

BlouBul, on 22 July 2012 - 01:09 AM, said:

Can you see it in BIOS (and is it working) if you connect it directly to your computer via SATA?

Thanks. I suppose I should have tried that first. All is well, the BIOS sees it and I can even boot the computer from it. Now I've got to figure out why the SATA -to-USB dock did not see it, but that is a project for another day...

Juergen