[jaclaz]

hitman2006, on 01 October 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

platter is scrached and head is dead ,
scratched in outer track that head is locked in track and then head is gone

1. sa in this family is outer ?

2.donor head will lock again in that track position then head gone,
what can i do in this step?

You are on the wrong forum.
If you are capable of a head transplant on a multi-platter disk, you are well beyond our knowledge and experience, you should go here instead:
http://forum.hddguru.com/
or to a similar forum for "professionals".

jaclaz

[v71]

jaclaz, on 01 October 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

v71, on 30 September 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Should I proclaim it dead:)?

Possibly, yes (as far as we know ).

But it is the first case I ever recalled of a 7200.11 not responding to CTRL+Z when board entirely detached (or with one or the other set of contacts insulated).
There is only one other reference I could find similar to your case:
http://forum.hardwar..._796558_116.htm

Having attempted the PCB swap may have compromised the situation, but you were EXTREMELY lucky that somehow you are having that error, see what happens with
m0,1,1,2,2,0,0,22:
http://www.msfn.org/...772#entry832772


The COM4 v s. COM1 is a non-issue it is simply the driver that maps the COM as COM4.

Are you sure that everything is connected and grounded properly?

Have you tried the 1 minute disconnection from power as in http://www.mapleleaf...agatebrick.html ? :

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At this point, many say you need to disconnect the SATA power cable from the drive and wait one minute. Yes, count to sixty. Then plug the SATA power cable back into the drive. There is a bit of debate about this step in the forums but that is what I did and it worked fine in my case. *IF and only if* you choose not to disconnect drive power temporarily, you need to at least change back to the test level prompt (type F3 1>/T (enter)) at this point before continuing.

jaclaz

Yes, strange, but real. Rechecked all connections, all good, rx goes to tx and viceversa, ground and vcc connected correctly - still, if Motor or Head are disconnected (or PCB totally removed), no reaction to CTRL-Z.
BTW saw that post on the french forum myself, I was hoping at that time that it might be a solution, it turned out it wasn't.

As for 1 minute disconnection - I never get to this part, since it should come after SMART erase command - the Hyperterminal shows an error when I want to do the SMART erase. Here:
F3 1>N1

Init SMART Fail
LED:000000CC FAddr:00239CED
LED:000000CC FAddr:00239CED

And after that error I have to disconnect anyway, since it doesn't react to CTRL-Z anymore (in fact it doesn't react to anything). So I did disconnect, just not at the right step, I think.

...Stuck.

This post has been edited by v71: 01 October 2012 - 11:53 AM

[jaclaz]

Basically the detaching of the PCB from the disk is a "trick" to exit a "loop" in which the firmware may go (and it is needed for the BSY fix, NOT for the LBA0 one)
As well, on a fully operational disk there should be no need to detach it, but still, it should work also completely detached.


But always, and particularly with the detached board, GROUNDing is essential, that's why I asked (and you completely failed to reply ).

If you recheck the LBA0 fix ONLY you will se how the detaching is not needed at all, as well as the N1, etc., the LBA0 is simply (and ONLY):

F3 T>m0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22 (enter)

(but when you do so you get DiagError 0000500D, right?)

The only thing that you can try is to try executing the command at a different level, i.e. you could try going to level 3 and then issue the m0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22 command
http://forum.freetro...c.php?f=6&t=686
(but the issue there was a BSY).

jaclaz

[yylai]

For those wondering which cable to get, I had success with this one

http://www.amazon.co...duct/B008AGDTA4

(though for me, the cable came with the TXD and RXD reversed). This is powered from USB so it just works off the bat, but you might need to remove the black plastic on the pins in order to fit into the hard disk pins (and obviously wrap it with some insulating tape).

Download the chip's drivers so your OS can install it properly

http://prolificusa.c...2303hx-drivers/

Goodluck to all, this was very annoying to fix

[v71]

jaclaz, on 02 October 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

Basically the detaching of the PCB from the disk is a "trick" to exit a "loop" in which the firmware may go (and it is needed for the BSY fix, NOT for the LBA0 one)
As well, on a fully operational disk there should be no need to detach it, but still, it should work also completely detached.


But always, and particularly with the detached board, GROUNDing is essential, that's why I asked (and you completely failed to reply ).

If you recheck the LBA0 fix ONLY you will se how the detaching is not needed at all, as well as the N1, etc., the LBA0 is simply (and ONLY):

F3 T>m0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22 (enter)

(but when you do so you get DiagError 0000500D, right?)

The only thing that you can try is to try executing the command at a different level, i.e. you could try going to level 3 and then issue the m0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22 command
http://forum.freetro...c.php?f=6&t=686
(but the issue there was a BSY).

jaclaz

Jacklaz, thanks.
- Unfortunately it is not working detached, but surprisingly it does work attached, which is a bit of contradiction in itself, I think, well it already becomes a theoretical one
- GROUNDING - wellllll, I did write that I checked ALL the cables and they were fine OK, but I did not write about each of them. To be fair, though and report comprehensively - I did check and re-check Grounding as well, it was ok, but thanks for reminding.
- I'll try it from level 3 and report later.
Thanks for taking care and answering, really appreciated!
v71

[jaclaz]

v71, on 03 October 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

- Unfortunately it is not working detached, but surprisingly it does work attached, which is a bit of contradiction in itself, I think, well it already becomes a theoretical one

Yes, in case I have a purely thoeretical explanation.
When the firmware is running "normally", it checks the presence of heads and motors and if it can't find them goes in an "isolation" mode, i.e. if any of heads or motor is not found an instruction is executed that shuts off the serial interface.
When a BSY (but not as seen a LBA0) occurs, the firmware "loops" in a more restricted set of instruction that do not comprehend the check for heads and motor, and thus though still running, the procesor never reaches the instructon "shut off the serial".

As I like to say however :

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- In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. -

jaclaz

[v71]

jaclaz, on 03 October 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

v71, on 03 October 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

- Unfortunately it is not working detached, but surprisingly it does work attached, which is a bit of contradiction in itself, I think, well it already becomes a theoretical one

Yes, in case I have a purely thoeretical explanation. When the firmware is running "normally", it checks the presence of heads and motors and if it can't find them goes in an "isolation" mode, i.e. if any of heads or motor is not found an instruction is executed that shuts off the serial interface.When a BSY (but not as seen a LBA0) occurs, the firmware "loops" in a more restricted set of instruction that do not comprehend the check for heads and motor, and thus though still running, the procesor never reaches the instructon "shut off the serial".

Yes, this was a good "theoretical" one
In fact very useful, thank you

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As I like to say however :
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- In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. -

jaclaz

Well, practice showed that issuing the m0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22 command on Level 3 was unsuccessful:
F3 3>m0,2,2,0,0,0,0,22
Invalid Diag Cmd

(ah, forgot, also unsuccessful was the F3 T>m0,2,2,,,,,22 but I think at this point it just doesn't matter...)
What the heck, HDD lost, but I had the most important things backed up - so, I just went and bought an open box 2TB Seagate(7200.14) for 76USD and that's it

jaclaz, mille grazie di tutto, incurante dal risultato (hopefully no mistakes)

This post has been edited by v71: 03 October 2012 - 12:16 PM

[jaclaz]

v71, on 03 October 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

What the heck, HDD lost, but I had the most important things backed up - so, I just went and bought an open box 2TB Seagate(7200.14) for 76USD and that's it

Well, that should make you a 76 US$ poorer, BUT 0.5 Tb richer , thus nonetheless happy bunny!
http://www.msfn.org/...ic=128727&st=10

jaclaz

[v71]

jaclaz, on 03 October 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

v71, on 03 October 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

What the heck, HDD lost, but I had the most important things backed up - so, I just went and bought an open box 2TB Seagate(7200.14) for 76USD and that's it

Well, that should make you a 76 US$ poorer, BUT 0.5 Tb richer , thus nonetheless happy bunny! http://www.msfn.org/...727&st=10jaclaz

Aha well, thanks once again jaclaz and good luck to everyone in the forum. goodbye

[bob7]

So I just did this fix, the BSY fix.

It worked as the hard drive is now found by computer, but the partitions and data are no longer there.

I tried couple recovery programs that just hang after a while. Tried to do quick format so that I could run other recovery programs but always get an error.

Not sure whats wrong with it now

[jaclaz]

bob7, on 04 October 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

So I just did this fix, the BSY fix.

It worked as the hard drive is now found by computer, but the partitions and data are no longer there.

I tried couple recovery programs that just hang after a while. Tried to do quick format so that I could run other recovery programs but always get an error.

Not sure whats wrong with it now

If you have successfully solved the BSY issue but you need assistance in recovering the partitions, please start a new thread.
If you search the forum, you will find a few examples of successful recoveries and a few failed or abandoned ones, that should however give you an idea of the suggested procedures.
As a general rule it is NEVER a good idea to fiddle with a hard disk bfore having made a dd-like image of it.

jaclaz

[Gradius2]

I would never use (or continue to use) such HDDs.

Backup the DATA while you still can, and go for something more reliable.

This post has been edited by Gradius2: 05 October 2012 - 10:27 AM

[standingbear]

i ran into some trouble with this. when I did the spin-up command "U", I got the following message:

F3 2>U

Error 1009 DETSEC 00006008
Spin Error
Elapsed Time 31.324 secs
R/W Status 2 R/W Error 84150180


what the heck does this mean? is my hdd still saveable?

[jaclaz]

standingbear, on 06 October 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

i ran into some trouble with this. when I did the spin-up command "U", I got the following message:

F3 2>U

Error 1009 DETSEC 00006008
Spin Error
Elapsed Time 31.324 secs
R/W Status 2 R/W Error 84150180


what the heck does this mean? is my hdd still saveable?

It means (hopefully) check, double check, triple check motor contacts and or try again holding the disk vertical:
http://www.msfn.org/...90#entry1012490

jaclaz

[standingbear]

something new here. when i tried again, this time on the "Z" spin-down command, it gave me:

F3 2>Z

LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569
LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569

[standingbear]

standingbear, on 07 October 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

something new here. when i tried again, this time on the "Z" spin-down command, it gave me:

F3 2>Z

LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569
LED:000000CE FAddr:00280569

okay never mind. found the solution. needs to type Z and wait for a few seconds before hitting enter. thanks for all the help

[jaclaz]

standingbear, on 07 October 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

okay never mind. found the solution. needs to type Z and wait for a few seconds before hitting enter. thanks for all the help

Can we put you in the basket?
http://www.msfn.org/...up/page__st__10

jaclaz

[standingbear]

jaclaz, on 07 October 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

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Can we put you in the basket?
http://www.msfn.org/...up/page__st__10

jaclaz

YES PLEASE! BY ALL MEANS!. I am very grateful to you all, especially you jaclaz *hop *hop *hop. (is bunny hopping allowed here? some gamers consider it cheating)

[jaclaz]

standingbear, on 09 October 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

(is bunny hopping allowed here?

Sure it is!

Spoiler

jaclaz

[gemni7]

Hi All,
first of all I appreciate Gradius2/jaclaz for this thread and continuing support. It does contain lot of info.

Guys I have ST3500413AS 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 HDD. It spins without noise but BIOS cant detect it. I suspect BSY problem. Please confirm me whether I can apply 7200.11 solution to my 7200.12.
I do have ttl to rs232 converter and knows all electronics required very well.

Please advise

Regards