[RonCam]

I worked-around one problem by installing Windows' native driver for ATI Radeon-compatible cards, then changing that to the bwc driver, before rebooting. Now the models box was populated with the 5000 series, and I selected the right one. I could see the bwc driver files being installed.

But the unpleasant surprise came on reboot, as it proceeded only to the point when Windows began to load. I suspect something crashed windows as the screen blanked momentarily and then the boot started again.

So, back to the drawing board ... Is there anything that would be helpful to blackwingcat to work around this?

P.S.: Going beyond my question, please let me know if you see anything wrong with the way I'm going about this, since ... many others are reporting success in running their 5000-series boards under Win2K. Am I doint anything different??

This post has been edited by RonCam: 21 January 2012 - 03:57 PM

[RonCam]

Hi blackwingcat, or anyone else who can help: I gave it my last shot.

I restored the Windows 2000 image that was working with the old card, then inserted the EAH5450 and rebooted. This time I didn't try to clean up the system from the previous driver, but just followed bwc's directions at the start of this thread.. I thought I might have been cleaning out something that had best be left.

I used the same trick to allow bwc's driver to populate the model box with the various numbers, selected the right one, and saw the driver files installing. Windows then showed ATI 5450 as the installed driver, in Device Manager.

On reboot we got as far as when the desktop should first appear, but instead the monitor screen went black and after about one second, the system started to reboot. Just as before.

So I will have to begin searching again for a solution. There must be one, as there are reports of success with these drivers. Much appreciated if someone could point out what the difference is, between what these folks did, and what I am doing.

[RonCam]

blackwingcat, on 30 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

If BSod cause of DirectX's extended function, Your Catalyst goes to work fine, when you install my DirectX Extension Package, Dx9W2kFx14a.exe

algeeba, on 25 October 2011 - 09:39 AM, said:

Hoping to do anthing to solve the problem, I installed the above file before installing the bwc drivers, and then reboooted to give the new drivers control.

I didn't get a blue screen, but is was as before: the boot never gets to the desktop, but the screen blacks out and then the system goes back to the BIOS check. I think it is not accepting the driver ...

I will check back from time to time to see if there are any developments, here. I can find no other reliable sources on the Internet for running these newer cards on Windows 2000.

This post has been edited by RonCam: 21 January 2012 - 04:00 PM

[blackwingcat]

Hi, RonCam

Please tell me customized ATI driver version and Your device's Vendor ID and Device ID.

fx) VEN_1234&DEV_5678

We know HD5xxx has some problem. Windows 2000 user's best ATI VGA Card is HD4xxx.
And ATI Driver 11 has some compatibility problem on HD5xxx.
if your VGA is not stable, try to rollback 10.x driver.

RonCam, on 14 January 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

Hi blackwingcat, hope you are still watiching the thread. I have not seen this question answered earlier.

I have expanded your driver file ati5k2k1.zip, hoping to run an ASUS EAH5450 SILENT PCIE2. I first followed instructions from elsewhere on the 'net to completely clean my system of the old (Sapphire Radeon X300) ATI driver/software remnants.

My system is Windows 2000 Professional SP4+.

When following your directions to install your modified driver, while in the Upgrade Device Driver Wizard, I am seeing an extra screen not mentioned, causing a problem:

Select the manufacturer and model of your hardware ...
followed by an empty box titled 'Models:'
Seems the user is supposed to select an entry shown inside this box and since a selection from an empty box is not possible, the 'Next' button is non-functional. So I can't get past this to complete the driver installation.

There is a 'Have Disk' button here, as well, but if I enter the same information as you previously told us to do, that is accepted, but it loops back to this same screen, from which there is no exit.

What can I do to complete the installation of your driver? I feel I am so close, yet so far ...

Thanks for your driver and for your help.

This post has been edited by blackwingcat: 20 January 2012 - 08:27 PM

[RonCam]

blackwingcat, on 20 January 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Please tell me customized ATI driver version and Your device's Vendor ID and Device ID.

fx) VEN_1234&DEV_5678

Yes, you have so many different versions and you want to know exactly which one I am using. The above 'bwc-customized' file was downloaded from the link associated with the following text, as best as I can copy from the English translation of the original page:

• For the ATI Radeon 5000 Series Driver for Win2000
  
• 2010/2/12 Version 10.1alpha (AGP+HDMI) 2010/2/12 Version 10.1Alpha (AGP + HDMI)
  
• 10.5以降は共通 10.5 Since the common

The exact filename I was able to obtain at this link is: ati5k2k1.zip

Identification numbers from my VGA ASUS RADEON HD5450 Silent 512MB HDMI/DDR2PCIE2 card:
VenID: 0x1002
DevID: 0x68E1

I had to boot Windows 7 to see this, using its 'generic' VGA driver. Under Windows 2000 (so far, I have no functional driver for the new card, under this OS) it was identified only as 'VGA'.

My need is to get enough basic functionality and stability from the new EAH5450 card so I may occasionally drop back into Windows 2000. I am now set-up with a dual boot between that and Windows 7. So my demands on the card in Windows 2000 will not be great -- I will be happy if I can see the contents of my office suite, at the proper resolution.

Thanks very much for picking up on this thread!

[edit] Blackwingcat, could you take a look back to the part of this thread, to where I describe that little 'undocumented glitch' during my installation, the one that needed the work-around? I wonder if this resulted in a defective driver installation, and that's why Windows wouldn't go through a boot, and maybe there's nothing wrong with the driver at all? Just guessing. What do you think? [/edit]

Please let me know if you need more information.

This post has been edited by RonCam: 22 January 2012 - 04:45 PM

[RonCam]

blackwingcat, the edits to my post of 21 January 2012 - 11:32 AM are now complete. Let me know what else you need, to help me get the driver and my graphics card 'going' on Windows 2000!

[RonCam]

blackwingcat, on 20 January 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Hi, RonCam
...
if your VGA is not stable, try to rollback 10.x driver.

Just noticed this suggestion.

By that, did you mean, "try to rollback to the 10.x driver" (from version 11.x) -- or do you mean "try to rollback 10.x driver to an earlier version"? I was interpreting this to mean the first choice. If the second, you are saying I should go to a 9.x driver.

Will a 9.x driver work with my card, and if so, which one do you recommend?

Details, please.

This post has been edited by RonCam: 23 January 2012 - 09:00 AM

[blackwingcat]

Hi.

Sorry,I made misconception. I thought that you use 11.x Driver.
The ati5k2k1.zip is alpha 10.1 driver.
HD5xxxx series are supported following drivers.

2010/6/8 Version 10.5(AGP+HDMI)
2010/6/19 Version 10.6a(AGP+HDMI)
2010/7/31 Version 10.7(AGP+HDMI)
2010/9/1 Version 10.8(AGP+HDMI)
2010/10/24 Version 10.10(AGP+HDMI)
2010/12/2 Version 10.11(AGP+HDMI)
2011/5/13 Version 11.1b(AGP+HDMI+Mobility) *
2011/5/13 Version 11.2a(AGP+HDMI+Mobility) *
2011/5/13 Version 11.3a(AGP+HDMI+Mobility) *
2011/5/13 Version 11.5c(AGP+HDMI+Mobility) *

*11.x series require KB829884.

But stable drivers are 10.x series.

The reason which I didn't descript HD5xxx is we found out some problem on HD5xxx High end model has many problem on Windows 2000.( You can see the discussion on the my blog's comments)

I also have HD5450 and it seems almost no problem, but any game crash on trying to play movie.
I think HD38xx or HD 46xx or HD47xx or HD48xx are Optimum for Windows 2000, on stability and performance.

RonCam, on 23 January 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

blackwingcat, on 20 January 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Hi, RonCam
...
if your VGA is not stable, try to rollback 10.x driver.

Just noticed this suggestion.

By that, did you mean, "try to rollback to the 10.x driver" (from version 11.x) -- or do you mean "try to rollback 10.x driver to an earlier version"? I was interpreting this to mean the first choice. If the second, you are saying I should go to a 9.x driver.

Will a 9.x driver work with my card, and if so, which one do you recommend?

Details, please.

This post has been edited by blackwingcat: 23 January 2012 - 06:12 PM

[RonCam]

RonCam, on 14 January 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

...
When following your directions to install your modified driver, while in the Upgrade Device Driver Wizard, I am seeing an extra screen not mentioned, causing a problem:

Select the manufacturer and model of your hardware ...
followed by an empty box titled 'Models:'
Seems the user is supposed to select an entry shown inside this box and since a selection from an empty box is not possible, the 'Next' button is non-functional. So I can't get past this to complete the driver installation.

There is a 'Have Disk' button here, as well, but if I enter the same information as you previously told us to do, that is accepted, but it loops back to this same screen, from which there is no exit.

This part of my installation didn't go as expected, from following the directions. My work-around was to make Windows 2000 install its native (and 12-year old) ATI driver and then, before the reboot, change that to the BWC-modified driver.

I don't think I was supposed to see an empty "Models" box, because the installation then cannot proceed. In your experience, did this happen because I did something wrong, in the steps leading up to this?

My concern is that the work-around may have caused the driver to install incorrectly.

If you've never seen this before, then let me know that as well. Perhaps it will not repeat when I go to a higher driver in the 10.x series?

Thanks!

This post has been edited by RonCam: 24 January 2012 - 10:01 AM

[RonCam]

blackwingcat, on 23 January 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

The ati5k2k1.zip is alpha 10.1 driver.

HD5xxxx series are supported following drivers.

2010/6/8 Version 10.5(AGP+HDMI)
2010/6/19 Version 10.6a(AGP+HDMI)
2010/7/31 Version 10.7(AGP+HDMI)
2010/9/1 Version 10.8(AGP+HDMI)
2010/10/24 Version 10.10(AGP+HDMI)
2010/12/2 Version 10.11(AGP+HDMI)
...

But stable drivers are 10.x series.

Thanks, blackwingcat. I mistakenly selected an 'alpha' driver because I didn't know I could use the others. Now that is clear.

May I assume you suggesting my best choice is to start with the last driver in the version 10.x series, v10.11?

You have said that the earlier cards would have been a better choice for Windows 2000, but unfortunately I was not offered the choice of these, at the shop where I made my purchase. So, I will do the best I can with the one I have.

Let me know if you see anything wrong with what I have written above, and also let me know if you have any comments about the empty 'Models' box causing the driver installation to 'hang' (see the quoted post, just before this one).

If you've ever seen this happen before, then you must have devised some kind of work-around, to permit the installation to continue. I think whatever you did will have a better chance of working right, than what I came up with.

This post has been edited by RonCam: 24 January 2012 - 10:02 AM

[tomasz86]

RonCam,

I think you should just test all of these drivers, one by one (starting from the newest ones), to check which one works If something goes wrong you can just boot into VGA mode and uninstall the faulty driver.

This post has been edited by tomasz86: 24 January 2012 - 02:34 PM

[RonCam]

tomasz86, on 24 January 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

I think you should just test all of these drivers, one by one (starting from the newest ones...

Knowing of blackwingcat's special knowledge in this area, I was wondering if there was some reason the entire 10.x and 11.x series drivers had been listed, instead of just the highest in the 10.x series. I think I'll start with the highest in the 10.x series, since I saw something BWC wrote to the effect that going into the 11.x series is not recommended for my card.

On the other matter, I was wondering if anyone else had experienced the vacant "Model:" box that prevented me from taking the driver installation to a normal conclusion.

From the feedback I'm seeing, the likely answer is 'no' and my procedure was OK, and this anomaly was seen only because I incorrectly thought the alpha driver was the only choice for my card and Windows 2000. I suppose that's why it's called 'alpha' ...

The reason for the questions ... I thought I'd like to get 'all my ducks in a row' before going ahead, now for the third time, in the hope it will finally go to a satisfactory conclusion. Each time, I'm updating the partition's image, then completely cleaning out the old driver, including remaining Registry entries, then switching cards, etc. Then, when it fails, putting the image back so I can start from zero, again, on the next try. I don't want to 'mess up' the operating system installation, as can happen so easily with MS Windows, even though trying to keep it clean is a bit of a bother.

[blackwingcat]

Hi.

I think most stable driver is 10.5. or 10.7. But 10.11 may also be stable.

Because I don't know your VGA DEVICE ID, I can't tell you for sure...
I think you had better delete registry
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\PCI\YourDevice
and delete target oem**.inf(look it with notepad) in %systemroot%\inf and reboot .

RonCam, on 24 January 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

May I assume you suggesting my best choice is to start with the last driver in the version 10.x series, v10.11?

Let me know if you see anything wrong with what I have written above, and also let me know if you have any comments about the empty 'Models' box causing the driver installation to 'hang' (see the quoted post, just before this one).

[tomasz86]

By the way, blackwingcat, have you tried these drivers with PAE turned on? I can't get any of them (ver. 9/10/11) to work if I turn PAE on. The system is Win2k Advanced Server. With PAE switched off they work fine (ver 9/10, ver 11.x is unstable). I've got integrated Radeon 3000 HD.

[RonCam]

blackwingcat, on 24 January 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

I think most stable driver is 10.5. or 10.7. But 10.11 may also be stable.

Because I don't know your VGA DEVICE ID, I can't tell you for sure...

Hi blackwingcat,
Thanks for the continuing advice. Are these the correct numbers, that you're looking for, in this list?

Identification numbers for my VGA ASUS RADEON HD5450 Silent 512MB HDMI/DDR2PCIE2 card:

• Vendor ID: 0x1002
  
• Device ID: 0x68E1

If not -- please let me know where to look, and I will do it. .

You said you couldn't tell, for sure, without the VGA DEVICE ID, which driver gets your primary recommendation. Can you tell now?

After I know that, I will go ahead with your instructions to clean the Windows Registry, and install the driver, once again.

Thanks again!

This post has been edited by RonCam: 26 January 2012 - 04:53 AM

[blackwingcat]

Hi.

Okay.
Your Device Information was included from ATI 11.x driver, so Device manager showed blank dialogbox.

download ati1011w2k.zip and ati1107w2k.cab.
and copy ati1107w2k.cab's inf file to the folder which you extracted ati1011w2k.zip.
and change to the inf file's Driver version following.
DriverVer=10/26/2010, 8.791.0.0000
and try to use ati1011w2k.

Good luck.

RonCam, on 25 January 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

blackwingcat, on 24 January 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

I think most stable driver is 10.5. or 10.7. But 10.11 may also be stable.

Because I don't know your VGA DEVICE ID, I can't tell you for sure...

Hi blackwingcat,
Thanks for the continuing advice. Are these the correct numbers, that you're looking for, in this list?

Identification numbers for my VGA ASUS RADEON HD5450 Silent 512MB HDMI/DDR2PCIE2 card:

• Vendor ID: 0x1002
  
• Device ID: 0x68E1

If not -- please let me know where to look, and I will do it. .

You said you couldn't tell, for sure, without the VGA DEVICE ID, which driver gets your primary recommendation. Can you tell now?

After I know that, I will go ahead with your instructions to clean the Windows Registry, and install the driver, once again.

Thanks again!

This post has been edited by blackwingcat: 26 January 2012 - 06:18 PM

[RonCam]

blackwingcat, on 26 January 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

...
Your Device Information was included from ATI 11.x driver, so Device manager showed blank dialogbox.

download ati1011w2k.zip and ati1107w2k.cab.
and copy ati1107w2k.cab's inf file to the folder which you extracted ati1011w2k.zip.
and change to the inf file's Driver version following.
DriverVer=10/26/2010, 8.791.0.0000
and try to use ati1011w2k.

Good luck.

Thanks so much for taking your time to get all this information! I would have never figured all that out by myself. Your knowledge and experience is a great asset to the Windows 2000 community!

I still have an OS image from before my own (multiple and unsuccessful) attempts to get the new card working in Windows 2000, so I will return to that.

Then, I will get rid of the remains of references to the old Radeon X300 card, as you advised, and also follow this procedure, just to make sure. This covers the Registry key deletion you mentioned, plus a bit more. Then, I'll follow the new directions and there should be no problems, but will post again if anything unexpected happens.

Your directions on how to populate the 'Models' box should let the installation run normally. I was suspicious that my home-made 'work-around' may have given me a defective driver installation. No worry about that, now.

Thanks for helping me to move to the new card, before the intermittent in the old X300 becomes permanent !!

[RonCam]

Hi blackwing,
I think I should ask this, before I get into trouble ...

blackwingcat, on 26 January 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

... download ati1011w2k.zip and ati1107w2k.cab.
and copy ati1107w2k.cab's inf file to the folder which you extracted ati1011w2k.zip.

There are two .inf files in ati1107w2k.cab. May I assume you're only talking about copying the one named CX121826.inf -- and I should ignore the other (named AtihdXP3.inf)?

Once the correct .inf file is copied from the expanded ati1107w2k into the expanded ati1011w2k folder, I now have two .inf files there, both beginning with CX. I will change the DriverVer of the one I copied from ati1107w2k, correct?

But now this leaves the other file, CX107884.inf, that was originally in ati1011w2k (and was not edited, as was the other one that was brought into the folder). Was it your intention that this one should be deleted, or allowed to remain?

My concern is that if two CX*.inf files remain in the folder I'll be using for the installation, I don't want Windows to accidentally go after the wrong one. Or, for some reason I don't understand, would this be impossible, so I should not be concerned, and just leave both these files where they are?

Quote

... and change to the inf file's Driver version following.
DriverVer=10/26/2010, 8.791.0.0000
and try to use ati1011w2k.

This would (of course?) be the CX*.inf that I brought in, from the other folder, and not the one that was already there -- assuming I haven't deleted it, depending upon what you've said, above. Just double-checking here, to make sure, that I am not getting confused.

Quote

Good luck.

Thanks!

[blackwingcat]

Hi.

If you use original 11.7 inf file, then windows write registry installed your driver version 11.7.
so I tell you, change to "DriverVer=10/26/2010, 8.791.0.0000".
if change it you may delete 10.11's inf file.

RonCam, on 27 January 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Hi blackwing,
I think I should ask this, before I get into trouble ...

blackwingcat, on 26 January 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

... download ati1011w2k.zip and ati1107w2k.cab.
and copy ati1107w2k.cab's inf file to the folder which you extracted ati1011w2k.zip.

There are two .inf files in ati1107w2k.cab. May I assume you're only talking about copying the one named CX121826.inf -- and I should ignore the other (named AtihdXP3.inf)?

Once the correct .inf file is copied from the expanded ati1107w2k into the expanded ati1011w2k folder, I now have two .inf files there, both beginning with CX. I will change the DriverVer of the one I copied from ati1107w2k, correct?

But now this leaves the other file, CX107884.inf, that was originally in ati1011w2k (and was not edited, as was the other one that was brought into the folder). Was it your intention that this one should be deleted, or allowed to remain?

My concern is that if two CX*.inf files remain in the folder I'll be using for the installation, I don't want Windows to accidentally go after the wrong one. Or, for some reason I don't understand, would this be impossible, so I should not be concerned, and just leave both these files where they are?

Quote

... and change to the inf file's Driver version following.
DriverVer=10/26/2010, 8.791.0.0000
and try to use ati1011w2k.

This would (of course?) be the CX*.inf that I brought in, from the other folder, and not the one that was already there -- assuming I haven't deleted it, depending upon what you've said, above. Just double-checking here, to make sure, that I am not getting confused.

Quote

Good luck.

Thanks!

[RonCam]

Hi blackwingcat,
Thanks for your patience! The last time I worked with the ATi drivers was some years ago when I installed Windows 2000, and by now I have completely forgotten what I did, and I know you have all these details fresh in your mind. So then, to summarize the only two questions that remained after reading your directions and then looking at the files:

blackwingcat, on 30 January 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

[after you bring the other .inf into the folder and edit] it you may [then] delete 10.11's [original] inf file.
I trust my [edits] preserve the meaning of the original?

Thanks for this, and I did suspect having two CX*.inf files in one folder could be a problem. But, because you are the expert on this, I thought I would ask to make sure. Since their filenames are different, bringing the new one into the folder would not automatically overwrite the old. So then, the 'unedited' CX*.inf file should be deleted.

RonCam, on 27 January 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

There are two .inf files in ati1107w2k.cab. May I assume you're only talking about copying the one named CX121826.inf -- and I should ignore the other (named AtihdXP3.inf)?

I think it is safe to assume, I should leave any and all Ati*.inf files as they are, not touch them, and all your instruction to copy and edit 'the.inf file' refers only to the CX*.inf file.

Thanks again, and unless you see something wrong with how I summarized your reply, then everything is clear and I can make the changes without error.