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KernelEx 4.5.2

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So far, Kernel Ex has worked well on a virtual 98SE unit. The present version of SeaMonkey (2.4.1) runs but has a few issues. The "set as default" option doesn't work, asks every time. On the virtual system SeaMonkey will not save or import bookmarks. Is anyone else having this problem or is it a problem with my virtual system?

Last when I tested Seamonkey 2.1 with kex 4.5.1 it froze. so I see it made some progress :) I'll test new 2.7.1 with kex 4.5.2 on real machine

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I'd tested SeaMonkey 2.4.1(Engine:Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1) in November (KernelEX Wiki). System: Win ME; KernelEX 4.5.2. It works, but not recently visited addresses, history and bookmarks. There's the same problem with Firefox 4 and higher. For Firefox it's possible to install an add-on like HyperBK. I believe there isn't such add-on for SeaMonkey.  

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I tested various Seamonkey versions:

2.1b2 - 2.7 - bookmarks doesn't work

2.1b1 - black window without text (in all compat modes)

2.1a1 - 2.1a3 - OK

I upgraed from 2.0.14 to 2.1 alpha 3

EDIT: I found that 2.1 alpha 3 is unstable and crashed when loading some webpages that 2.0.14 displayed correctly. So I'm back on 2.0.14...

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I've got KEX 4.5.2 on 3 different win 9x PCs. KEX 4.5.2 has a tendency to crash the Kerio 2.1.5 PFW administration, PFWADMIN.EXE in the program files directory.

Set the PFWADMIN.EXE to 2000 SP4 mode, and there is no more crash.

KEX is is going to need many tweaks for some ASUS board 9x drivers running unorthodox, overclocked AMD CPUs. Easier to tweak KEX than to rewrite the poorly written C++ drivers. An old AMD 1.8 GHz overclocked to 2.4 GHz is runnung like an old Pentium 1 @ 66 MH with the ASUS or nVidia most recent drivers & BIOS upgrades.

Best to all here.

Dave

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Mozilla Firefox 3.6.x declared as working well, atleast with latest KernelEx release.

How 3.6.27 "works" for me - it doesnt draw any graphics - nevermind, its own in-menu icons or pages graphics. See attached screen.

I'm tried all things - system clean install, english and localized firefox versions, older versions of 3.6.x branch, regular and portable packages, reinstalled KernelEx as enabled and disabled by default (v4.5.2). In disabled mode i set Windows XP SP2 compatibility for firefox.exe (or firefoxportable.exe). Still no luck. Ofcourse i set XP compatibility to firefox installers too, both regular and portable. What i doing wrong? Use Windows 98SE RU and latest MDCU.

My overall setup:

OS: Windows 98SE (Russian with MDCU Service Pack)

Memory: 2 GiB RAM (DDR PC3200 - 2x 1 GiB Kingston) / all 2 GB available in Win98

Motherboard: Soltek SL-XP865G-3IG

CPU: Pentium IV 3.4 Ghz Northwood S478 @ 3.4 Ghz

Video Card: nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra 256mb AGP / Forceware 71.84

config.sys, autoexec.bat and system.ini: no relevant entries

vmm32.vxd (real mode), vcache.vxd, vmm.vxd: 4.10.0.2222 with RAM Limitation Patch 7.0 (with /M Option)

post-346261-0-87341800-1330978825_thumb.

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I've got KEX 4.5.2 on 3 different win 9x PCs. KEX 4.5.2 has a tendency to crash the Kerio 2.1.5 PFW administration, PFWADMIN.EXE in the program files directory.

Set the PFWADMIN.EXE to 2000 SP4 mode, and there is no more crash.

KEX is is going to need many tweaks for some ASUS board 9x drivers running unorthodox, overclocked AMD CPUs. Easier to tweak KEX than to rewrite the poorly written C++ drivers. An old AMD 1.8 GHz overclocked to 2.4 GHz is runnung like an old Pentium 1 @ 66 MH with the ASUS or nVidia most recent drivers & BIOS upgrades.

Best to all here.

Dave

Kerio 2 is W98 compatible, so if KernelEx causes problems with PFWADMIN.EXE, you should try setting the compatibility mode to "disabled" (and report back).

As for drivers, tweaking KernelEx isn't going to help, it's for applications only, not drivers. If you do have driver issues, such as non-support of W98, have a look at the WdmStub thread. OTOH, if you have misbehaving W98 drivers due to excessive speed, there's not much you can do unless you are able to debug and patch them.

Joe.

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Mozilla Firefox 3.6.x declared as working well, atleast with latest KernelEx release.

How 3.6.27 "works" for me - it doesnt draw any graphics - nevermind, its own in-menu icons or pages graphics. See attached screen.

I'm tried all things - system clean install, english and localized firefox versions, older versions of 3.6.x branch, regular and portable packages, reinstalled KernelEx as enabled and disabled by default (v4.5.2). In disabled mode i set Windows XP SP2 compatibility for firefox.exe (or firefoxportable.exe). Still no luck. What i doing wrong? Use Windows 98SE RU and latest MDCU.

I'm using Firefox 3.6.13 and it works well with KernelEX, no problems other then sites telling me to upgrade, but I do have a lot of add-ons to fix naggy sites like you-tube. (Much higher versions of Firefox are said to work with KernelEX, I don't update software much, if it works I leave it alone until I have to change it.)

When you re- installed windows,

Then installed the latest KernelEX,

Then after reboot the KernelEX popup says KernalEX is working,

And you get the extra KernelEX tab on propertys,

Have you then tried to set the property's on the Firefox installer to use specific compatibility mode WinXP? (This will make all the files Firefox's installer creates set to winXP compatibility mode in KernelEX.) (You could be running into one of the Firefox DLL's needing to be in compatibility mode also, being the problem with Firefox not running right.) (make sure to use the downloaded install file not the online Firefox install.)

You didn't mention much about your computer setup, but system memory could also be a problem.

When asking about software problems if you list the hardware in your computer it makes it a lot easier to give you good information on the software problem.

AGP video cards can be set to take a lot of your system memory in the bios. Setting this value lower will free up more low memory for windows and while it "mite" slow video a bit. You won't notice the difference in most programs.

Tray apps can also use a lot of memory, try turning unneeded ones off.

Some anti-virus and firewall apps are memory hogs and better choices that use less system resources are available.

Anyway just a few ideas that mite help you.

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I haven't heard if Xeno86 had found anyone to carry on work on KernalEX?

I am wondering if it would be possible to fix the win9x bug with out major programing work on file names with things like "? * / ..." or in other words non-dos characters?

This problem has been around for years, Netscape used to do it all the time.

More and more files end up having these naming errors from zip'ed, rar'ed files to things like saved web pages.

Since the file names can be made by these apps then the windows file system should be able to support them.

But windows 9X doesn't, you have to shell out to a dos prompt and play games to rename the critters.

Its just a royal pain to have to play games on one these files.

This also brings up another bug and that is path length, I'm sure this would be a big mess to fix though but it sure would be nice to have fixed also.

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You didn't mention much about your computer setup, but system memory could also be a problem.

Update my first post with system specs.

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You didn't mention much about your computer setup, but system memory could also be a problem.

Update my first post with system specs.

I don't figure this is your problem, Its a bit to obvious, but I should have mentioned, you should check the options in Firefox options/content/load images automatically and make sure its checked.

Oh before I forget. Are you deleting the old windows and installing a new copy of windows or are you installing over an old copy? If your installing over an old copy you are probably not gona get rid of a corrupted windows registry, etc..

Also installing over an old version of Firefox could also be a problem. (You need to get rid of the main Firefox dir and the one under "C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox") (You could zip your old version of Firefox's dirs from both locations to save bookmarks file, etc. And then copy the old bookmarks over the bookmarks file in the new version of Firefox once installed.)

If your not getting rid of the old Firefox some add-ons can disable images on a page, and some times add-ons conflict with each other or Firefox version and can cause weird problems in Firefox, start a safe mode Firefox to over ride add-ons, and see if the problem persists.

Also note even if you install the main Firefox app in a new dir the "C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox" will still be used and old add-ons will load in the new version of Firefox.

Have you tried to right click on the Firefox image placeholder, select view image, and see if you can view the image separate from the web page?

I read your post and looked up the MDCU patch, this critter is pretty extensive, I would try reinstalling windows and only install KernalEX and then try installing Firefox, and see if the problem persists, this could save you a lot of time if it is a compatibility issue between MDCU and KernelEX and your system.

Whenever you have graphics problems, even some that don't appear to be related, and you can't find anything else that caused the problem, you have to look at system RAM and the video card and video card drivers.

That 3.4Ghz CPU is pushing DDR400 PC3200 ram, you really should have DDR500 PC4000, but that can be hard to find. I picked up some on e-bay and they come up here and there. You could try setting your system bios for the ram at a slower speed or less aggressive timings.

I have read of a few problems on the nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra. I had one on an older slot one board with a socket 370 adapter card I used to play videos the card worked fine, but when I put in a bit newer 478 mother board the video card started doing weird things so I had to replace it with a bit newer ATI card I had.

Also every ones drivers whether they say the support this or that version of windows don't always work for every system or set of options, its best to try an older version driver when you have problems on an old version of windows and see if the problem gets fixed.

If these ideas don't help I'm sure someone on here will come up with a few more ideas you can try.

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Try to install Office 2003 XP on Windows 98 after installing Kernel Ex 4.5.2 and has the following fault

Win2K Compatibility Mode

SETUP provocó una excepción c06d007fH en el módulo SETUP.EXE de 0167:300218f0.
Registros:
EAX=0062eaf4 CS=0167 EIP=300218f0 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=0062ea9c EBP=0062eaec
ECX=c1520290 DS=016f ESI=30021c8c FS=132f
EDX=81943aa8 ES=016f EDI=bfe80000 GS=0000
Bytes en CS:EIP:
,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x
Volcado de pila:
,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x

WinXP SP2 Compatibility Mode

SETUP provocó una excepción c06d007fH en el módulo SETUP.EXE de 0167:300218f0.
Registros:
EAX=0062eaf4 CS=0167 EIP=300218f0 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=0062ea9c EBP=0062eaec
ECX=c1520290 DS=016f ESI=30021c8c FS=1327
EDX=81941194 ES=016f EDI=bfe80000 GS=0000
Bytes en CS:EIP:
,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x
Volcado de pila:
,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x

Win2003 Compatibility Mode

SETUP provocó una excepción c06d007fH en el módulo SETUP.EXE de 0167:300218f0.
Registros:
EAX=0062eaf4 CS=0167 EIP=300218f0 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=0062ea9c EBP=0062eaec
ECX=c140c190 DS=016f ESI=30021c8c FS=1317
EDX=81941194 ES=016f EDI=bfe80000 GS=0000
Bytes en CS:EIP:
,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x
Volcado de pila:
,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x

There is a solution?

Is there any guide on MSFN to avoid obvious questions about Office 2003 on Win98?

Thanks in advance

Edited by gerislamico
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According to the release notes, Office 2003 Word and Excel have had "experimental" support since KernelEx 4.5 RC 5, but haven't seen anything about other Office apps (e.g., Outlook).

You might try installing only Word and/or Excel and see if you can get through the setup. I'd also recommend not setting any features to "install on demand."

HTH - I haven't tried it myself

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Try to install Office 2003 XP on Windows 98 after installing Kernel Ex 4.5.2 and has the following fault

Win2K Compatibility Mode

SETUP provocó una excepción c06d007fH en el módulo SETUP.EXE de 0167:300218f0.
Registros:
EAX=0062eaf4 CS=0167 EIP=300218f0 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=0062ea9c EBP=0062eaec
ECX=c1520290 DS=016f ESI=30021c8c FS=132f
EDX=81943aa8 ES=016f EDI=bfe80000 GS=0000
Bytes en CS:EIP:
,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x
Volcado de pila:
,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x

WinXP SP2 Compatibility Mode

SETUP provocó una excepción c06d007fH en el módulo SETUP.EXE de 0167:300218f0.
Registros:
EAX=0062eaf4 CS=0167 EIP=300218f0 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=0062ea9c EBP=0062eaec
ECX=c1520290 DS=016f ESI=30021c8c FS=1327
EDX=81941194 ES=016f EDI=bfe80000 GS=0000
Bytes en CS:EIP:
,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x
Volcado de pila:
,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x

Win2003 Compatibility Mode

SETUP provocó una excepción c06d007fH en el módulo SETUP.EXE de 0167:300218f0.
Registros:
EAX=0062eaf4 CS=0167 EIP=300218f0 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=016f ESP=0062ea9c EBP=0062eaec
ECX=c140c190 DS=016f ESI=30021c8c FS=1317
EDX=81941194 ES=016f EDI=bfe80000 GS=0000
Bytes en CS:EIP:
,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x ,02x
Volcado de pila:
,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x ,08x

There is a solution?

Is there any guide on MSFN to avoid obvious questions about Office 2003 on Win98?

Thanks in advance

Did you try the registry fix noted here

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/130936-kernelex-452/page__view__findpost__p__841573

Down the post titled "Despite changing Windows version in compatibility tab some programs complain about wrong system version."

Anyway just a thought.

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With the latest version of Flash Player (11.2.), the installer gives the following error:

"...missing export ADVAPI32.DLL:ChangeServiceConfig2W".

The last version of Flash Player to work with KernelEx 4.5 is thus, for the time being, 11.1.

Edit: Apologies, I just noticed there is a separate thread regarding this issue...

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Hi everyone,

the newest version of sumatrapdf (2.0.1) no longer works with KernelEx.

The error given is the following:

"The LIBMUPDF.DLL file is linked to the missing export NTDLL.DLL:vsprintf."

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Hi everyone,

the newest version of sumatrapdf (2.0.1) no longer works with KernelEx.

The error given is the following:

"The LIBMUPDF.DLL file is linked to the missing export NTDLL.DLL:vsprintf."

It can be used with my DLLHOOK redirector.

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I had a little problem with Excel from Office 2000 crashing whenever I opened any link to an XLS document in Opera (ie. a web page link to an XLS document). The solution is to disable KernelEx for the 'MSO9.dll' file.

Joe.

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Hi everyone,

the newest version of sumatrapdf (2.0.1) no longer works with KernelEx.

The error given is the following:

"The LIBMUPDF.DLL file is linked to the missing export NTDLL.DLL:vsprintf."

It can be used with my DLLHOOK redirector.

Hello rloew,

I e-mailed you a few weeks ago, but maybe you did not receive my message.

I was wondering whether you plan further development of your DLLHOOK software, for example to add new functions or to maintain compatibility with newer versions of KernelEx. Also, is there a listing of software possible to run on Windows 98 (SE) using DLLHOOK?

Thanks!

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Hi everyone,

the newest version of sumatrapdf (2.0.1) no longer works with KernelEx.

The error given is the following:

"The LIBMUPDF.DLL file is linked to the missing export NTDLL.DLL:vsprintf."

It can be used with my DLLHOOK redirector.

Hello rloew,

I e-mailed you a few weeks ago, but maybe you did not receive my message.

I was wondering whether you plan further development of your DLLHOOK software, for example to add new functions or to maintain compatibility with newer versions of KernelEx. Also, is there a listing of software possible to run on Windows 98 (SE) using DLLHOOK?

Thanks!

The DLLHOOK software itself is pretty stable, although I may make a customizeable VXD Version, similar to the non-customizeable FILE64.VXD. They are designed to be compatable with KernelEX 4.5.2. There are no later Versions of KernelEx.

I have developed a KEXEX Project that provides stubs and non-stubbed Functions for extending KernelEx. This provided support for SumatraPDF. I have been adding Functions, Redirects and Stubs as I encounter a need. It should be able to support all of the Programs that Jumper's Kext and Import Patcher can.

I don't have much of a list of programs supported by DLLHOOK as I do not routinely use KerneEx. I originally wrote DLLHOOK as an API Overlay to support my 64-Bit File Emulator.

I also used it when I was experimenting with the Windows 98 Resource Problem. SumatraPDF is the only one I verified worked with DLLHOOK, KEXEX and KernelEx together.

Others probably work with what I have now but I have not tested them.

Edited by rloew
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If it were possible to get the opera_plugin_wrapper.exe in Opera 12 to run without crashing on Windows 98 I for one would be eternally grateful!

:)

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They have eliminated the plugin wrapper in 12.02. It is unclear whether they will bring it back in future versions. But for now, plugins work for v12.02.

If it were possible to get the opera_plugin_wrapper.exe in Opera 12 to run without crashing on Windows 98 I for one would be eternally grateful!

:)

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Thanks, I was aware of that, in fact I'm using Opera 12.02 to send this!

:thumbup

I'm really hoping that when they re-introduce the plugin wrapper, which I'm sure they will, they put in a user option to disable it and use the old method of loading plugins.

I'm not holding my breath for that, but it would be really good if they did.

:)

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I myself am using Opera 12.02. :yes:

Can I ask what happens differently when this plugin wrapper that you have been talking about if/is introduced and how it would affect us 98 users.

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