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Xeno86

KernelEx 4.5.2

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I myself am using Opera 12.02. :yes:

Can I ask what happens differently when this plugin wrapper that you have been talking about if/is introduced and how it would affect us 98 users.

The wrapper was introduced in Opera 12.00, supposedly to make the browser more stable by preventing crashing plugins from bringing down the whole browser.

It's a separate executable in its own sub-folder within the Opera folder.

There was a lot of adverse feedback on the Opera forums about it, especially relating to multiple copies running with excessive use of resources.

This is why they have decided to temporarily remove it (the stated reason is stability problems, not excessive resource use, but most seem to think that's the real problem!)

The trouble with Windows 98 is that the plugin wrapper program won't run under Windows 98, causing a crash in user.exe.

There seems to be no way around this, all you can do is close the program after it crashes.

Opera will then run OK, but with no plugin support.

I've never had the plugin wrapper freeze or crash the whole operating system, I've always just been able to dismiss the crash message and carry on, but others have had worse problems with it.

:no:

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Dave-H

Oh right, thanks for explaining all that to me.

As said on here if they do introduce the wrapper in the next version of Opera then we would need the option to disable it, so I can understand why now.

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Thanks for the new upgrade. :thumbup

You meaning the upgrade that was released on 14th November 2011 ?

KernelEx v4.5.2 by Xeno86

2011-11-14

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Seems like it was probably a spam bot.

Cheers and Regards

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Seems like it was probably a spam bot.

Cheers and Regards

Nope no bot, just little old me.

Ah well, I guess there was a weirdness in the site, I got an e-mail said thread updated. I clicked the link and it popped up the first post and I clicked on the KernalEX Sourceforge page. I didn't notice the date and I downloaded the "new" version not realizing it was not a "new" version.

But still I say Thanks Xeno86! :thumbup

Its still a great "Free" app and Has saved me a lot of money. :thumbup:thumbup

Besides it was a good trip to Sourceforge, I saw an app I haven't tried yet, Media player Classic HC.

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I'm keeping my old 98SE system for many reasons. Before I installed KernelEx I bullet proofed

my system. Make sure you can quickly restore from a backup, mount a virtual partition, etc.

You can damage any of these Windows systems in microseconds. Don't ever forget that!

After installing KernelEx I downloaded Firefox 10.0.2 because it was on the list of working

apps. The properties tab had XP SP2 selected, which seemed logical to me. The extractor

reaches 95-to-98%. After that the process stops. The task manager shows "not responding."

I also tried Firefox 8.0, because it was in the release notes for KernelEx 4.5.2. Same problem.

I think I tried every system on the properties tab, starting with 2000. I also tried the default

setting with KernelEx enabled. The extraction always freezes up. Is there a solution?

Thanks guys.

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I'm keeping my old 98SE system for many reasons. Before I installed KernelEx I bullet proofed

my system. Make sure you can quickly restore from a backup, mount a virtual partition, etc.

You can damage any of these Windows systems in microseconds. Don't ever forget that!

After installing KernelEx I downloaded Firefox 10.0.2 because it was on the list of working

apps. The properties tab had XP SP2 selected, which seemed logical to me. The extractor

reaches 95-to-98%. After that the process stops. The task manager shows "not responding."

I also tried Firefox 8.0, because it was in the release notes for KernelEx 4.5.2. Same problem.

I think I tried every system on the properties tab, starting with 2000. I also tried the default

setting with KernelEx enabled. The extraction always freezes up. Is there a solution?

Thanks guys.

You say you " bullet proofed my system." this by any chance be running an active antivirus/firewall app that prevents installation of virus, trojan, etc.?

If so the app mite be keeping you from installing Firefox.

Another option you mite try is to shut off any background/tray apps you may have running.

Anyway Just a couple of ideas.

You really should provide more details on your system and software you have loaded when asking these kinds of questions as the more info the easier it is to know what happening on your system and how to help you.

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This copy of 98SE is running on a IBM ThinkPad. Very few processes run in the background.

I backup to a usb stick or removable hard drive. A virtual partition or "sandbox" can

be used as a protected environment where you can test files or new software without

harming your system. That's all I was trying to say.

Only critical system processes run in the background during the installation of new

software. They have never caused problems during an install.

The problem is more serious than I thought. When I couldn't install Firefox I downloaded

UniExtract. I was hoping to extract the files manually, and then proceed with the Firefox

install. The problem is UniExtract won't install either! It seems that KernelEx is reacting

poorly with one or more of my system files. At least, I think that might be the problem.

Unless a KernelEx expert can help me, I won't be using this amazing application. It's

kind of sad that I can't extend the usefulness of this old system with KernelEx. I've

been using computers for decades. Finding the cause of a problem that has not been

reported by others is almost impossible.

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HoppaLong,

I've not tried FF 10, because I've read reports of it not working readily/satisfactorily. However, FF 8 and 9 work very well under KernelEx, except the "new style" Java plugin which can't be made to work. All you have to do is install KernelEx with default settings and then run the FF installer in W2000 (not XP!) compatibility mode. Easy.

I should point out that although FF 8 and 9 performance on my (now decommissioned) P2/333 machine was good, for some reason they were completely unusable on my Celeron-A/466 laptop (had to revert to FF 3.5), no idea why.

As for UniExtract, it's a piece of cr*p, even if you get it working, some time later it will break for no apparent reason, just use it as a collection of extraction tools.

Joe.

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Hello Joe,

Please read my original post again.

After FF 10 failed to extract, I tried FF 8 because it was listed in the KernelEx release notes as

"working" with FF 8. I tried every system in the properties tab, starting with 2000. FF 8 also

failed to extract.

It seems that most folks are not having significant problems with KernelEx. For some reason,

my system cannot install anything with KernelEx enabled. In the past, I've fixed problems that

seemed to be unique to my system. It can take hours, days, sometimes weeks before you find

that one file causing all the trouble.

Just to be clear, this copy of 98SE runs smoothly. There were no problems before installing

KernelEx. That's why I keep multiple backups.

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I am still running Firefox 3.6.22 on KernelEx 4.5.101, because it was reported to be the last fully compatible browser (laters apparently lack bookmark saving etc., which would be undemandable for me). However FF 3.6.22 runs very slow and particularly often makes a nap (freezes) for 30..60 seconds. On my analogue modem (44 kpbs) this wastes phone fees, so I have just ordered DSL 16000 (service not enabled yet).

- Has anybody here positive experience with newer Firefox versions?

- Does KEX 4.5.2 still make trouble with antivirus software?

I still use Avast 4.8(?) which updates terribly slow now (waits 10 minute etc.). Is there anything better for Win98SE?

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Hello there. I have Kernelex 4.5.2 installed on window 98se with avast 4.8 which updates normal. You still seem to use a analoge modem

which is very slow. Important is to remove the temporary files you could use ccleaner for that which you can download at majorgeeks.com

for instance. See the section diskcleaner. Well avast 4.8 does not make trouble with kerlnelex 4.5.2. Another thing you should do is to

defragment your system regularly. Probably there is also spy ware on your system. You should check your system with for instance spybot -

search and destroy. And you should also check your system with avast.

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@HoppaLong:

If your ThinkPad's CPU is a P3 P4 or later, http://mirror.palemoon.org/archived/8.x/Portable/Palemoon-Portable-8.0.exe is an optimized, portable build of FireFox 8 (7zip self-extractor).

Edit: Last build of Palemoon to support the P3 (and other SSE processors without SSE2 support) was roughly 3.6.9. (reference)

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Thank you jumper!

I've got all the original documentation for this ThinkPad. The processor is a P3.

7zip is a great app. I've got it installed on another desktop. For some reason

a self-extracting copy of FireFox never crossed my mind. Good idea. I'll download

the file and try it.

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Hello there. I have Kernelex 4.5.2 installed on window 98se with avast 4.8 which updates normal. You still seem to use a analoge modem

which is very slow. Important is to remove the temporary files you could use ccleaner for that which you can download at majorgeeks.com

for instance. See the section diskcleaner. Well avast 4.8 does not make trouble with kerlnelex 4.5.2. Another thing you should do is to

defragment your system regularly. Probably there is also spy ware on your system. You should check your system with for instance spybot -

search and destroy. And you should also check your system with avast.

What do you use for safe defragmentation?

The original Win98SE Defrag locks up after a while because I have a million of small files (e.g. collection of downloaded eBay pages about historical music keyboards) which makes it run out of memory (despite 512MB RAM). Partitions those do defrag, take about 12 hours while the last tenth of the partition waits endlessly. Apparently it is a DOS-age linear search algorithm that was not designed for 16GB "huge" partitions.

Avast 4.8 definitely waits/freezes 10 minutes (FreeRam (if started) displays 100% CPU load during this) during each of its updates.

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You first should use ccleaner which you can download here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/CCleaner_Slim_d4191.html

Well you could use the windows me version of defrag which you can download here:

http://marmro.homeip.net/Description/newdefrag.zip.html

Later you should inspect your system for spyware with spybot - search and destroy version 1.6.2

Which you can download here: http://www.filehippo.com/download_spybot_search_destroy/5168/

then you can scan your system with avast. Well there can be done more but this is a start.

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This copy of 98SE is running on a IBM ThinkPad. Very few processes run in the background.

I backup to a usb stick or removable hard drive. A virtual partition or "sandbox" can

be used as a protected environment where you can test files or new software without

harming your system. That's all I was trying to say.

Only critical system processes run in the background during the installation of new

software. They have never caused problems during an install.

The problem is more serious than I thought. When I couldn't install Firefox I downloaded

UniExtract. I was hoping to extract the files manually, and then proceed with the Firefox

install. The problem is UniExtract won't install either! It seems that KernelEx is reacting

poorly with one or more of my system files. At least, I think that might be the problem.

Unless a KernelEx expert can help me, I won't be using this amazing application. It's

kind of sad that I can't extend the usefulness of this old system with KernelEx. I've

been using computers for decades. Finding the cause of a problem that has not been

reported by others is almost impossible.

One other idea, you could try deleting both the main Firefox dir (default is under "Program Files" and the one under the "windows\Application Data\ " aka the "Mozilla" dir. Make sure to copy your bookmarks file from the "WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profile,????" dir to a safe location before deleting the Mozilla directory. And then run the FF8/9 installer in W2000 (not XP!) compatibility mode as JDS has said.

It could be something from a old\bad install, or an old addin, DLL, etc. that mite be keeping the newer Firefox install from working.

I would not try to save any other settings, or addins from the old Firefox install as that mite cause problems in the newer FF.

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BUG-REPORT! KernelEx 4.5.2 crashes Win98SE during web access!

I just dared to upgrade from KernelEx 4.5.1 to KernelEx 4.5.2, but now Firefox 3.6.22 crashes and can not be restarted anymore (until reboot) once I access the internet.

The crash happens after clicking a button on the appearing Microsoft Network logon requester and does not happen so long the requester buttons are not clicked on.

After the crash also "FineSSE 27a" (is there a newer one?) complains with a popup about a wrong parameter.

I already have tried to disable KernelEx for WebWasher and Call&Connect and uninstalled KEX 4.5.2, reinstalled and uninstalled again KEX 4.5.1 (including user settings) without success. I also tried it with Avast 4.8 disabled.

I have verified that with KEX 4.5.2 installed the WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL is identical with its backup "kernel3B.dll" and dated "99-05-05 22:22" (i.e. likely unpatched)

I have reinstalled 4.5.1 without success. Even copying the entire registry back doesn't help! I am currently running Firefox through Dependency Walker (terribly slow) as the only mean to access the internet. DW drops plenty of error lines like this:

GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "DecodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\MOZCRT19.DLL" at address 0x78132EEB and returned NULL. Error: 
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "DecodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\MOZCRT19.DLL" at address 0x78132EEB and returned NULL. Error:
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "EncodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\MOZCRT19.DLL" at address 0x78133059 and returned NULL. Error:
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "DecodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\MOZCRT19.DLL" at address 0x78133067 and returned NULL. Error:
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "DecodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\plugins\NPNUL32.DLL" at address 0x021936C9 and returned NULL. Error:
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "DecodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\plugins\NPNUL32.DLL" at address 0x021936C9 and returned NULL. Error:
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "EncodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\plugins\NPNUL32.DLL" at address 0x0219379C and returned NULL. Error:
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "DecodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\plugins\NPNUL32.DLL" at address 0x021937AC and returned NULL. Error:
GetProcAddress(0x66650000 [e:\windows\system\USP10.DLL], "ScriptFreeCache") called from "e:\windows\kernelex\KEXBASEN.DLL" at address 0x7D00E287 and returned 0x6665DFD5.
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "DecodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\MOZCRT19.DLL" at address 0x78132EEB and returned NULL. Error:
GetProcAddress(0xBFF70000 [e:\windows\system\KERNEL32.DLL], "DecodePointer") called from "e:\programme\mozilla firefox 3\MOZCRT19.DLL" at address 0x78132EEB and returned NULL. Error:
...

- Does anybody know what is wrong?

It might be that something goes wrong with my TCP/IP stack; I had to recreate it manually when I added an USB2 Ethernet adapter because this also crashed all browsers, how ever the broken stack even crashed them whith Internet offline, while it now crashes only after clicking on said requester. (The annoying Microsoft logon requester *always* appears after successful internet connection despite it was already there during Windoze startup. The Windoze manual claimed it would stay away forever after entering a name and password, but with my installation it never did.)

Please help me to get internet back! Browsing within Dependency Walker is a snail and can't be a solution.

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A quick note: I just found out that apparently something has damaged my WebWasher 3.4 installation. It also makes the browser crash when WebWasher is started manually (without internet connection). Now I have uninstalled it and the browser seems to run now. I hope I can re-install it properly.

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I have re-installed WebWasher 3.4 without success. So I removed all networking stuff and the Winsock2 registry entries to rebuild the "tea: see pee - I pee!" stack. After hours of trouble I finally I discovered that I had disabled KernelEx for wwasher.exe but not for the cfww.dll and wwasher.dll in its directory. After treating these too, internet seems to work again.

:angry:

=>WebWasher 3.4 is incompatible with KernelEx 4.5.2, so KEX needs to be disabled also for DLLs in the WebWasher directory.

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Hello Joe,

Please read my original post again.

After FF 10 failed to extract, I tried FF 8 because it was listed in the KernelEx release notes as

"working" with FF 8. I tried every system in the properties tab, starting with 2000. FF 8 also

failed to extract.

It seems that most folks are not having significant problems with KernelEx. For some reason,

my system cannot install anything with KernelEx enabled. In the past, I've fixed problems that

seemed to be unique to my system. It can take hours, days, sometimes weeks before you find

that one file causing all the trouble.

Just to be clear, this copy of 98SE runs smoothly. There were no problems before installing

KernelEx. That's why I keep multiple backups.

Presumably your "sandbox" allows you to revert to your pre-FF10 system configuration? I'd guess FF10 has done something to your system that it doesn't like. Start over, reinstall Unicows, then KernelEx in default mode, then run the FF8 (or FF9) installer in W2000 compatibility mode. Don't try some work-around using file extraction, etc.

Joe.

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After the crash also "FineSSE 27a" (is there a newer one?) complains with a popup about a wrong parameter.

The current version of FineSSE is 29.

I discovered that I had disabled KernelEx for wwasher.exe but not for the cfww.dll and wwasher.dll in its directory. After treating these too, internet seems to work again.

:angry:

WebWasher 3.4 is incompatible with KernelEx 4.5.2, so KEX needs to be disabled also for DLLs in the WebWasher directory.

Glad you found the problem, and thanks for the work-around.

Joe.

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With KEX 4.5.2 my PC even seems to boot and respond a tiny bit faster now (perhaps 10 or 15%?, haven't measured it), but I also deleted the old and unused Oleco NetLCR Pro least cost router (it had gradually turned into scamware), which might have contained an invisible decellerating adware background component.

Only the Fastun plugin in Firefox 3.6.22 has refused to pass HTTPS connections (I have to click the icon to disable it each time); I am not sure if this is KernelEx related. I just got a Firefox security update popup warning, that I should update to "Firefox 12". Yuck! - I guess the installer drank ink or what ever.

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A quick note: I just found out that apparently something has damaged my WebWasher 3.4 installation. It also makes the browser crash when WebWasher is started manually (without internet connection). Now I have uninstalled it and the browser seems to run now. I hope I can re-install it properly.

---

I have re-installed WebWasher 3.4 without success. So I removed all networking stuff and the Winsock2 registry entries to rebuild the "tea: see pee - I pee!" stack. After hours of trouble I finally I discovered that I had disabled KernelEx for wwasher.exe but not for the cfww.dll and wwasher.dll in its directory. After treating these too, internet seems to work again.

:angry:

=>WebWasher 3.4 is incompatible with KernelEx 4.5.2, so KEX needs to be disabled also for DLLs in the WebWasher directory.

Just me, but I'd find an alternative for webwasher.

There are newer winsocks for Win9x from other than microsoft which mite help, my ISP hooked me up with one but no longer support it or Win9X. I'm sure you can find it on the shareware sites.

Another idea that may work if you just have to use webwasher and it won't work right in win98se without KernalEX options and that is to change in the program and its dll's properties, kernalEX section, to use a specific compatibility option, maybe win2k would work better than default. I've saw a lot of people mention this on other problems.

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I think few people are watching this thread anymore.

I am still making it with KernalEX and winME but sooner or latter I'm going to have to change.

I'm thinking of going the virtual machine bit, but the need for a high end computer is kina my big problem.

Since Xeno86 has said he doesn't have time to update KernalEX anymore.

I think its up to those few of US left to work out our own problems.

Newer motherboards are pretty cheap and you can find deals on older versions of windows like vista, 7, etc.(There are a bunch of patches to get rid of microsofts spyware for these too.)

So I think we are just going to have to bite the bullet and upgrade.

I think I'm gona ask Santa for a new hard drive for Christmas(Should have gotten one sooner as the price goes up at Christmas but I'm poor and so...) and look for a cheap copy of a newer windows.

But I'm gona also install a version of Linux on the critter too.

Only a few programs I use need windows anyway.

Things like web browsing, movies and music work on Linux.

In fact my media computer is on Ubuntu Linux and has been for quite a while now.

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