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Well, I am back to the same problem again with trying to print from Firefox. Crashes every time. Too late to roll back to Firefox 2 (didn't save it). Seemed to work for awhile with the newer version of Kernel EX, but this problem has occurred with every version and whatever the core problem is, it still isn't fixed. Works for some people though I guess, but not for me and a number of others who have posted the problem here over the years

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All the versions of Firefox are available here if you do need to roll back.
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Not that I am an expert, but would it help by changing the compatibility tab for firefox.exe to Windows 98?

I have to say that when I went to file ---->print the print dialogue appeared, only for some seconds later for the illegal message then closedown.

Even going to the page setup brings a Firefox error.

FIREFOX caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 016f:bff7b9f5.
Registers:
EAX=034492e0 CS=016f EIP=bff7b9f5 EFLGS=00010202
EBX=00a0ff68 SS=0177 ESP=00910000 EBP=00910024
ECX=00911df8 DS=0177 ESI=00000001 FS=37ef
EDX=00000001 ES=0177 EDI=8196a724 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
56 57 89 65 e8 75 04 33 c0 eb 54 85 c0 74 4b c7
Stack dump:
00a0ff68 034492e0 00000001 00a0ff68 034492e0 00911df8 bffc05b4 bff79250 ffffffff 00911e08 bff7ce23 034492e0 00000001 03449401 034492e0 00911e30

Edited by frogman, 01 January 2011 - 11:10 AM.

Windows 98 S.E - Opera 12.02 - Firefox 3.6.28 - Kernel-Ex 4.5.2 - Internet Explorer 6


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Well, I am back to the same problem again with trying to print from Firefox. Crashes every time. Too late to roll back to Firefox 2 (didn't save it). Seemed to work for awhile with the newer version of Kernel EX, but this problem has occurred with every version and whatever the core problem is, it still isn't fixed. Works for some people though I guess, but not for me and a number of others who have posted the problem here over the years

John


Hi John and all, Happy New Year.

I have supplied a link to download the Firefox version 2.0.0.20, I can verify this is safe as I used it prior to using FF3

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Edited by frogman, 01 January 2011 - 05:55 PM.

Windows 98 S.E - Opera 12.02 - Firefox 3.6.28 - Kernel-Ex 4.5.2 - Internet Explorer 6

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Well, I am back to the same problem again with trying to print from Firefox. Crashes every time. Too late to roll back to Firefox 2 (didn't save it). Seemed to work for awhile with the newer version of Kernel EX, but this problem has occurred with every version and whatever the core problem is, it still isn't fixed. Works for some people though I guess, but not for me and a number of others who have posted the problem here over the years

John



Here's the comment from Xeno86 on the KernelEx Wiki: Printing basically doesn't work with Firefox 3+. As suggested I use the IE View add-on in FF 3 for printing from IE6 and it's only a minor inconvenience since IE6 is preloaded in Windows and it opens very fast to the page I want to print. The Abduction add-on creates an image of the page which you can print from another program like Irfanview. Finally, if you want to try IE Tab, vers. 1.85 is the last one that works with Win 9x but I've had problems with it when printing from FF3+.

Edited by EvanD, 01 January 2011 - 04:07 PM.


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Those of you looking for older versions of FF, they're available from Mozilla:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/

Version 2.0.0.20 for Windows is here, just click on the directory for your language:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0.0.20/win32/

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What does it mean that it works with Windows 95 shell?

You should test. But theoretically, it should work. And thus make SH95UPD a bit obsolete.

Next release is final and delayed because we don't have time. RC6.rar is close to final. You can post it probably; i can't because xeno would punch me.

Firstly, thanks to you and Xeno for your much-appreciated work. :)

Now, simply (as it's still unclear to me at least) - does this mean that KernelEx is now (or should be) compatible with W95?

(There have been requests for this from W95 users, and previously, the nearest offering has been SH95UPD.)

BTW, just took a quick look at the Compatibility Database in the Wiki at SF. It's not clear how new app's are added to this, but perhaps the page looks different once you register and login (maybe a new ADD button becomes visible). I'll check further into this when time permits.

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The fix mentioned involves using the W95 shell under W98. There was a conflict between the W95 shell and KX which has been resolved. I don't know if KX will work under the W95 OS. Afaik, you still need SHUPD95 for the same programs it always was needed for. That is, I don't think there are any W95 shell entries that have been added to KX to make SHUPD95 obsolete. The problem was an incompatibility with the W95 shell that crept into the code at some point.

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The fix mentioned involves using the W95 shell under W98. There was a conflict between the W95 shell and KX which has been resolved. I don't know if KX will work under the W95 OS. Afaik, you still need SHUPD95 for the same programs it always was needed for. That is, I don't think there are any W95 shell entries that have been added to KX to make SHUPD95 obsolete. The problem was an incompatibility with the W95 shell that crept into the code at some point.

I see. W95 shell under W98.

The SH95UPD description says "This project implements functions not found in the windows 95 shell .. SH95UPD is based on the KernelEX project, and is basically a stripped down version of KernelEX". To me, this implied a KernelEx-ish equivalent for W95. So Tihiy's comment about "make SH95UPD a bit obsolete" made me wonder if KernelEx was now compatible with W95 (it has been previously stated by Xeno86 that it isn't).

However, if SH95UPD isn't actually a KernelEx-ish equivalent for W95, then we can conclude that KernelEx continues not to support W95. (And I'd also better stop referring W95 users to SH95UPD.)

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Running KernelEx 4.5 Final on Windows 98SE I tried installing VLC Player 1.1.5 but it crashed hard. It won't even play an MP3 file. I scanned through here and some people recommended getting the unicows.dll file, but I have that in my windows\system\ directory. I even found two other versions on my computer so I took the one with the most recent date (August 31, 2007) and overwrote the one in the windows\system directory. No change. So now I'm downloading KMPlayer I think 2.9.3..xxxx (edit:it works) or something, I got the info out of this forum that it was working for someone. A few quick questions:

What's the latest VLC Player version that can run under KernelEx?
What's the latest KMPlayer version that can run under KernelEx?
Which one's better?
Any tips for either?

Edited by caos, 02 January 2011 - 07:13 AM.


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Printing is now perfect


Is this on Firefox 3.6.13?

I keep getting a crash while attempting to print from the file menu and or ctrl P.

Edited by frogman, 02 January 2011 - 03:23 PM.

Windows 98 S.E - Opera 12.02 - Firefox 3.6.28 - Kernel-Ex 4.5.2 - Internet Explorer 6

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  • Printing is now perfect

Is this on Firefox 3.6.13?

You were already told that it won't work with Firefox 3+ ;)

My comment is referring to the bug of RC5 fixed by 4.5 Final:
  • Fixed hang issues with printers.


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Running KernelEx 4.5 Final on Windows 98SE I tried installing VLC Player 1.1.5 but it crashed hard. It won't even play an MP3 file. I scanned through here and some people recommended getting the unicows.dll file, but I have that in my windows\system\ directory. I even found two other versions on my computer so I took the one with the most recent date (August 31, 2007) and overwrote the one in the windows\system directory. No change. So now I'm downloading KMPlayer I think 2.9.3..xxxx (edit:it works) or something, I got the info out of this forum that it was working for someone. A few quick questions:

What's the latest VLC Player version that can run under KernelEx?
What's the latest KMPlayer version that can run under KernelEx?
Which one's better?
Any tips for either?


For me the last VLC 1.1.5 work fine with KernelEX 4.5 Final (I just try it again with some mp3 and flv) :whistle:

Edited by patclash, 02 January 2011 - 04:25 PM.


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The fix mentioned involves using the W95 shell under W98. There was a conflict between the W95 shell and KX which has been resolved. I don't know if KX will work under the W95 OS. Afaik, you still need SHUPD95 for the same programs it always was needed for. That is, I don't think there are any W95 shell entries that have been added to KX to make SHUPD95 obsolete. The problem was an incompatibility with the W95 shell that crept into the code at some point.

I see. W95 shell under W98.

The SH95UPD description says "This project implements functions not found in the windows 95 shell .. SH95UPD is based on the KernelEX project, and is basically a stripped down version of KernelEX". To me, this implied a KernelEx-ish equivalent for W95. So Tihiy's comment about "make SH95UPD a bit obsolete" made me wonder if KernelEx was now compatible with W95 (it has been previously stated by Xeno86 that it isn't).

However, if SH95UPD isn't actually a KernelEx-ish equivalent for W95, then we can conclude that KernelEx continues not to support W95. (And I'd also better stop referring W95 users to SH95UPD.)

Joe.

SH95UPD uses the same technology as KernelEx to add or overwrite entries for the OS functions that are missing in the older components. It does not duplicate the functions of KX, it just allows the use of W95 shell with W98 OS. It may help some programs that only run on 98 to run on 95 if the missing functions happen to be the ones it replaces, but it won't allow XP programs to run on 95. Basically, it adds a few common functions that are found in the 98 shell to the 95 shell.

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  • Printing is now perfect

Is this on Firefox 3.6.13?

You were already told that it won't work with Firefox 3+ ;)

My comment is referring to the bug of RC5 fixed by 4.5 Final:
  • Fixed hang issues with printers.

In December I printed a train schedule by Bahn.de using Firefox 3.6.13 on Win98SE with KernelEx 4.5RC5, which made no trouble at all. However regard that I employ an antique 24 needle printer Fujitsu DL1100 Color which may use a 16bit driver or such stuff that may strongly differ from modern printers.

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This has probably already been either stated or addressed but there is a problem with MSN messenger.
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As seen in the screenshot my name is a bunch of (?)'s and the idle time is the same.
This poses a problem in the accounts page whereby it will 'delete' your account and replace it with such symbols (luckely I dont need to edit any settings)

Also another problem (this by the way is on my laptop (as it has rp7 still... (I want this functionality in rp9 especualy whatever makes shimgvw work in rp7, but anyway...))) is that my display pic changes every startup to a different one. I first noticed this on my 'server' a while back. (before my screen blew-up)

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As seen in the screenshot my name is a bunch of (?)'s and the idle time is the same.
This poses a problem in the accounts page whereby it will 'delete' your account and replace it with such symbols (luckely I dont need to edit any settings)

There are various character flaws in KernelEx on Win98SE. E.g. in Firefox 3 the "..." is still replaced by a "|", which looks stupid.

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After uninstalling KernelEx 4.5 RC5 my registry files (system.dat and user.dat) got deleted. Not corrupted but erased, so Windows could not load.
Fortunately, I could restore a recent backup and then installed 4.5 Final. Have I missed something important here concerning proper install / uninstall...?

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Would it be possible to get Steam (the content distribution network for games www.steampowered.com) to work? Many of the older games on the platform (and some few newer games) were written to support Win9x/ME (Half-Life Series, HL2, HL2 Ep1, etc.) Steam 1.0 and 2.0 actually supported 98 up until I think 2007-08, but dropped support for it later on.

I wouldn't care if the GUI was mostly broken, as long as the games list was somewhat legible. Right now the problems that hinder the installation and running of Steam are:

- The MSI installer doesn't allow Steam to be installed due to being run on Win 9x (gives an error) I think there's a workaround for this though.
- When Steam is installed and you run it, it gives this error dialog:

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Sorry if this has been asked before, only saw one post about it that wasn't answered.

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Would it be possible to get Steam (the content distribution network for games www.steampowered.com) to work? Many of the older games on the platform (and some few newer games) were written to support Win9x/ME (Half-Life Series, HL2, HL2 Ep1, etc.) Steam 1.0 and 2.0 actually supported 98 up until I think 2007-08, but dropped support for it later on....

I'd like to see some discussion of this issue as well. For the moment, there's the Steamless CounterStrike Project, which will allow you to play the various HL1 games in their original state without Steam. Of course this does not address the HL2+ games.

I read somewhere that if you already had Steam installed before they dropped Windows 98 support, and did not allow it to update itself, then you could still use it. I can't vouch for this, as I have never had Steam installed, and probably never will. (I refuse to install or buy any game that requires it, or requires any form of "online activation" garbage.) However, if one could track down the installer for a version of it prior to the end of 98 support, then one might manage to work around the issue.

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Would it be possible to get Steam (the content distribution network for games www.steampowered.com) to work? Many of the older games on the platform (and some few newer games) were written to support Win9x/ME (Half-Life Series, HL2, HL2 Ep1, etc.) Steam 1.0 and 2.0 actually supported 98 up until I think 2007-08, but dropped support for it later on....

I'd like to see some discussion of this issue as well. For the moment, there's the Steamless CounterStrike Project, which will allow you to play the various HL1 games in their original state without Steam. Of course this does not address the HL2+ games.

I read somewhere that if you already had Steam installed before they dropped Windows 98 support, and did not allow it to update itself, then you could still use it. I can't vouch for this, as I have never had Steam installed, and probably never will. (I refuse to install or buy any game that requires it, or requires any form of "online activation" garbage.) However, if one could track down the installer for a version of it prior to the end of 98 support, then one might manage to work around the issue.


I installed the old WON version of Half-Life last night, and it works, all except for online play. Whenever I click the "Internet Play" to view the server list, HL crashes :| I have a feeling it's something to do with the weird process patcher it has running in the background that came with the steamless 1.1.1.2 update.

As for the old versions of Steam for Win98, the only way to keep them working is to stay in offline mode (which back then rarely worked.) And usually the second Steam got a whiff of an internet connection, it would attempt to update itself, even if you told it not to. In offline mode, you were pretty much limited to SP only games, and possibly LAN games since you couldn't connect to the auth server or had the same version as other players. Finding an old installer won't help our case since all Steam installers are web installers and store the content remotely.

I can totally agree with you that the online tether and activation is really lame, but Steam is the lesser of two evils when you look at a even more horrible system like EAs DRM that is poorly written trash that almost never works. I took one look at BF2142 and was so appalled that I never touched it again.

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I installed the old WON version of Half-Life last night, and it works, all except for online play. Whenever I click the "Internet Play" to view the server list, HL crashes :| I have a feeling it's something to do with the weird process patcher it has running in the background that came with the steamless 1.1.1.2 update.

You can just use the original v1.1.1.0 patch + the "WON2 Listing Patch" instead of the 1.1.1.2 update, may fix your problem, I haven't used the 1.1.1.1 or 1.1.1.2 patches.

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As seen in the screenshot my name is a bunch of (?)'s and the idle time is the same.
This poses a problem in the accounts page whereby it will 'delete' your account and replace it with such symbols (luckely I dont need to edit any settings)

There are various character flaws in KernelEx on Win98SE. E.g. in Firefox 3 the "..." is still replaced by a "|", which looks stupid.


A work-around for this is a FF extension called Theme Font Size Changer. Try Arial/Normal and see if the "..." comes back.

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A work-around for this is a FF extension called Theme Font Size Changer. Try Arial/Normal and see if the "..." comes back.


After I installed that 98SE2ME patch, it fixed the annoying bars after words in the tabs and menus. Though it broke all of the classic icons and transparency, I guess it's a tradeoff; Or the 98SE2ME doesn't play well with the Revolution's Pack 9.7. I couldn't stand to have the classic WIndows 98 defragger though, it brought back all of those horrible memories between 1997-2000 with "all night cookouts" where the defragger would be painfully slow and restart every 5 seconds because one bit on the drive had changed. Reeh.

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A work-around for this is a FF extension called Theme Font Size Changer. Try Arial/Normal and see if the "..." comes back.

Yes it works, but it poops an additional icon into the right lower corner to launch its menu,and may easily make the menus unreadable when a mouse click hits it wrongly. I have some hundreds of fonts on my PC - many of them are incomplete or made of unreadable symbols - e.g. 7-segment digits for various Visual Pinball games. - Is there an easy reset when it messes stuff up?

By the way, the main bug that causes "|" instead of "..." seems to be in the "MS Sans Serif" font (apparently the Win98SE default). Selecting it in Theme Font Size Changer brings the flaw back.

Edited by CyberyogiCoWindler, 21 January 2011 - 08:47 PM.

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A work-around for this is a FF extension called Theme Font Size Changer. Try Arial/Normal and see if the "..." comes back.

Yes it works, but it poops an additional icon into the right lower corner to launch its menu,and may easily make the menus unreadable when a mouse click hits it wrongly. I have some hundreds of fonts on my PC - many of them are incomplete or made of unreadable symbols - e.g. 7-segment digits for various Visual Pinball games. - Is there an easy reset when it messes stuff up?

By the way, the main bug that causes "|" instead of "..." seems to be in the "MS Sans Serif" font (apparently the Win98SE default). Selecting it in Theme Font Size Changer brings the flaw back.


A work-around for this is a FF extension called Organize Status Bar. You can hide or move status bar icons as you like.

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Wish to report that LibreOffice 3.3 RC2 does not work

Default compatibility: Fatal error - "The application cannot be started. A general error occurred while accessing your central configuration"

Win2000 compatibility: soffice.exe loaded forever and never showed up

XP SP2 compatibility: Invalid page error in VCLMI.DLL

Shall try again when LibreOffice 3.3 Final comes out

LibreOffice 3.3 Final is out. It has the same problem as above. Hope it can be solved in future version of KernelEx

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Foxit 3.14 still depletes resources on 9X systems. I opened and scrolled several PDFs in the 4MB size range with it. After several minutes, system, user, and GDI resources were all down to the low 20% range.

Although I'm just now trying it for the first time, the present version of PDF-Xchange viewer (2.0 build47) works with KernelEX and doesn't deplete resources, although it's memory usage can get high when multiple documents are opened. So far, it seems stable with KernelEX, enough so that I'm considering making it my default PDF reader.

So far, the latest version of KernelEX seems to be working quite well on my 98SE unit. I did experience some short lived graphics issues on a website with interactive Java maps. These disappeared when I left the page and didn't reappear when I returned. The earlier incompatibility with SSM is gone. No problems with VPC 5.1 or any other software I'm using. The present version of SeaMonkey is working quite well with it. Can't test printing with it at this time.

I'd like to see what else would be necessary to get Sandboxie running on 98. Probably asking too much with this one.


Does PDF-XChange Viewer print on Win 98SE? I'm using KEX 4.5 Final and I've tried versions 2.0.42, 2.0.47 and 2.5.191 on 2 different machines and neither one will print from PDF-XChange. The reader part works fine for all versions. I can print form Foxit 3.3.1 and Acrobat 7.0.9 so I have workarounds. This forum has been clear about the Firefox 3+ printing problems but I haven't seen any mention of PDF-XChange 2+ print problems.




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