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I've tested the PDF-XChange Viewer new version 2.5.197 (08.07.2011) successfully


Yes, I can confirm that too.

I just downloaded PDF-XChange Viewer 2.5.197 portable and it works (opens PDFs) in KEx 4.5.1 Default Compatibility mode. Have either of you tried printing a doc? I seem to remember that was an issue in previous versions of PDF and KEx, and I don't have a printer to test with.


I can't print. I' ve tested it on two machines.

Have you tried? : http://www.msfn.org/...post__p__969763

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Hallo jds,

now I've tried it. But I still can't print from PDF XChange Viewer. Three programs shows up in wintop or ProcessExplorer during printing from notepad (comp.mode Win2000):  LXBUPSWX.EXE, LXBUJSWX.EXE, LXBUCOMS.EXE  (I had set KernelEX comp.mode of them to disabled)

The printer is a Lexmark P6250. 



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Hallo jds,

now I've tried it. But I still can't print from PDF XChange Viewer. Three programs shows up in wintop or ProcessExplorer during printing from notepad (comp.mode Win2000):  LXBUPSWX.EXE, LXBUJSWX.EXE, LXBUCOMS.EXE  (I had set KernelEX comp.mode of them to disabled)

The printer is a Lexmark P6250. 

What about KernelEx-enabled 'notepad'? Does that now print?

If so, then you've got your printer driver working with KernelEx and now need to figure out what is happening with PDF XChange Viewer specifically. Try the 'wintop' trick with that, and see if there's anything else being invoked that you may want to try KernelEx-disabling.

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I can confirm problems with KernelEx and SSM Free 2.0.8.583. I installed SSM several months ago and immediately started having various crashes and errors. I'm pretty sure they were associated with Explorer but I'll check my logs later to see. I was able to stop the errors by disabling KernelEx extensions for all SSM exe and dll files. I was running KernelEx RC 1 at the time. I meant to report the problem in this thread or herbalist's SSM thread but failed to do so. This post reminded me of the problem.

Just to confirm, you installed SSM free after Kernel EX? The conflict between SSM-free and KEX was fixed with the release of KEX 4.0RC1. On my PC, SSM files are using the default KEX settings, but SSM was installed first. Also SSM can lock up a system if it's not configured properly. If you set a password in SSM, it will automatically start with the UI disconnected and will deny any activity that you don't have rules to allow. If it prevents explorer from performing some tasks, that will lock up a system.
I'll have to set up a test unit to confirm it, but I'd suspect that installing SSM after KEX might be the problem. SSM has its hooks into almost everything that happens on a PC. KernelEX could have caused it to incorrectly integrate with the system. Will try to get an answer for you as soon as possible.


hebalist, you won't believe this one, but it's true. My SSM crashes were due to a bad monitor resolution setting.

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hebalist, you won't believe this one, but it's true. My SSM crashes were due to a bad monitor resolution setting.

That's a new one on me. I never thought to look for such a problem, but then I rarely change resolutions. What resolution was the wrong one and what did you switch to? I'm not sure I even want to try to investigate that one without access to the actual PC. On my old HP which had built in ATI Rage graphics, changing the hardware acceleration level would change the autostarted programs. Above a certain level, an executable that was part of the graphics package was added to autostart. It's been a long time, but if I remember right, if that executable wasn't allowed to run, the PC became quite unstable. This is the only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're describing.

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hebalist, you won't believe this one, but it's true. My SSM crashes were due to a bad monitor resolution setting.

That's a new one on me. I never thought to look for such a problem, but then I rarely change resolutions. What resolution was the wrong one and what did you switch to? I'm not sure I even want to try to investigate that one without access to the actual PC. On my old HP which had built in ATI Rage graphics, changing the hardware acceleration level would change the autostarted programs. Above a certain level, an executable that was part of the graphics package was added to autostart. It's been a long time, but if I remember right, if that executable wasn't allowed to run, the PC became quite unstable. This is the only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're describing.

herbalist,

The res was 800 x 600 with a great many dead pixels. Looks like a monitor won't last even two decades, never that they would, but it was a favorite. Now it's a toaster. All those wiggly boarders ought have been a clue. I could scarcely see SSM to exit it. Well, perhaps I shall survive this loss.

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Hallo jds,

now I've tried it. But I still can't print from PDF XChange Viewer. Three programs shows up in wintop or ProcessExplorer during printing from notepad (comp.mode Win2000): LXBUPSWX.EXE, LXBUJSWX.EXE, LXBUCOMS.EXE (I had set KernelEX comp.mode of them to disabled)

The printer is a Lexmark P6250.

What about KernelEx-enabled 'notepad'? Does that now print?

If so, then you've got your printer driver working with KernelEx and now need to figure out what is happening with PDF XChange Viewer specifically. Try the 'wintop' trick with that, and see if there's anything else being invoked that you may want to try KernelEx-disabling.

Joe.

1. Of course, I can print from notepad with KernelEX enabled. That never was a problem for me.


2. PDF XChange Viewer: Wintop doesn't help. There isn't anything else invoked after I click print.

Error message:




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I can not open pdf files in the latest version 2.5.198 of the PDF XChangeViewer. Following error message appears:




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I've got similar message with latest version.
You haven't such a problem with previous one?

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I've got  similar message with latest version.
You haven't such a problem with previous one?

No, I can open pdf files with previous version 2.5.197.




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I can not open pdf files in the latest version 2.5.198 of the PDF XChangeViewer. Following error message appears:


Hey just a thought here but have you tried shutting off other apps, including tray apps like the message suggests?

Also have you tried updating direct x or using a different video card or different drivers?

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1. Of course, I can print from notepad with KernelEX enabled. That never was a problem for me.

To make things clear, if you set 'notepad.exe' to W2000SP4-compatibility-mode for KernelEx, is it able to print?

Your use of the expression "of course" implies you have KernelEx installed, but haven't done any trickery with 'notepad.exe', because if you really do have a compatibility issue between KernelEx and your printer driver, then 'notepad.exe' won't be able to print in W2000SP4-compatibility mode.

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Edited by jds, 28 September 2011 - 01:44 AM.


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I can not open pdf files in the latest version 2.5.198 of the PDF XChangeViewer. Following error message appears:


Hey just a thought here but have you tried shutting off other apps, including tray apps like the message suggests?

Also  have you tried updating direct x or using a different video card or different drivers?


Shutting down apps doesn't change anything. Version 2.5.197 works. Versions 2.5.198 and 2.5.199 don't open the pdf files.

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1. Of course, I can print from notepad with KernelEX enabled. That never was a problem for me.

To make things clear, if you set 'notepad.exe' to W2000SP4-compatibility-mode for KernelEx, is it able to print?

Your use of the expression "of course" implies you have KernelEx installed, but haven't done any trickery with 'notepad.exe', because if you really do have a compatibility issue between KernelEx and your printer driver, then 'notepad.exe' won't be able to print in W2000SP4-compatibility mode.

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I don't think I have a compatibility issue between KernelEx and the printer driver. It is the original  Lexmark P6200series 98SE/ME driver. I 'm able to print with KernelEX comp. mode disabled, enabled and Win2000. Are you able to print from PDF XChangeViewer?

Edited by schwups, 29 September 2011 - 04:34 AM.


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I can not open pdf files in the latest version 2.5.198 of the PDF XChangeViewer. Following error message appears:


Hey just a thought here but have you tried shutting off other apps, including tray apps like the message suggests?

Also  have you tried updating direct x or using a different video card or different drivers?


Shutting down apps doesn't change anything. Version 2.5.197 works. Versions 2.5.198 and 2.5.199 don't open the pdf files.


It was just a thought, many times newer apps are larger and have more DLL's, etc. and sometimes just fail because there isn't enough resources to support them.

Anyway I just figured I'd mention it, so you don't go wasting time tracking down something that isn't broke.

I have this friend who's wife thinks she needs to load every stupid IM client, and a bunch of other background apps, and her problem almost always ends up being a problem with available resources when she gets a new app. I go over, shut down all the stuff that doesn't need to be loading, and everything works perfectly.

Also with most apps, any change that is just in the last portion of the version number, it is usually just minor bug fixes and not a major reworking.

Sorry to cause you a problem, its just the error was so explicit in that it said there was a resource problem I thought looking at conflicts and resource hogs mite get the bug fixed, but anyway just ignore my post(s).

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I can confirm the problem with PDFXchange 2.5.198 and 2.5.199. I'm getting the same insufficient resource message. All my resources were over 80% free at the time. Used the zipped installer, installed in XP-SP2 compatibility. 2.5.197 works good.

Same results using the portable version. Changing Kex settings doesn't help.

Unless tracker is willing to fix this new compatibility issue, 2.5.197 looks to be the last 98 compatible version.

Edited by herbalist, 30 September 2011 - 04:42 PM.


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I don't think I have a compatibility issue between KernelEx and the printer driver. It is the original  Lexmark P6200series 98SE/ME driver. I 'm able to print with KernelEX comp. mode disabled, enabled and Win2000. Are you able to print from PDF XChangeViewer?

I haven't been able to find version 2.5.197 anywhere. However, I did find a copy of 2.5.195, and I can confirm it crashes (unhandled exception) instantly when you select "Print" from the menu. Nothing shows in 'wintop', so it seems the crash is within the 'PDF XChange Viewer' package itself. In other words, 2.5.195 (and presumably 2.5.197) aren't entirely compatible, even with the help of KernelEx 4.5.1.

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I don't think I have a compatibility issue between KernelEx and the printer driver. It is the original  Lexmark P6200series 98SE/ME driver. I 'm able to print with KernelEX comp. mode disabled, enabled and Win2000. Are you able to print from PDF XChangeViewer?

I haven't been able to find version 2.5.197 anywhere. However, I did find a copy of 2.5.195, and I can confirm it crashes (unhandled exception) instantly when you select "Print" from the menu. Nothing shows in 'wintop', so it seems the crash is within the 'PDF XChange Viewer' package itself. In other words, 2.5.195 (and presumably 2.5.197) aren't entirely compatible, even with the help of KernelEx 4.5.1.

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I think the problems with the newer web browsers are intentional on the developers part either threw deals with microsoft or indirectly by using microsoft programing apps. I notice firefox 3.x is different between the version I use with KernelEx and the one I'm using on ubuntu linux in the way some pages with "protection" for images, advertising, etc. I have to have a plugin on the windows version but not on the linux firefox.

I also note between firefox 2.x and 3.x on windows many of my plugins were disabled that get rid of advertising popups and popdowns , etc. luckily most of the plugins had updates to fix the changes made to firefox between 2.x and 3.x that re-enabled the crapvertising.

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- Is there a lightweight linux emulator for Win98SE to run newer Firefox?

I read about a security software called Bitbox which can run a Linux Firefox on Windoze to prevent Windows viruses. But I guess this is a CPU hog and only designed for modern Windows versions. Is there a cpu friendly linux "adapter" (doesn't need to be a full virtual machine that completely hides file system, cpu and graphics card from emulated programs) that can run the linux version of more modern Firefox versions on a small CPU (AMD K6-III+@550MHz) with Win98SE (and KernelEx)?

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LOL From reading a review - http://www.tomsguide...news-11203.html, BitBox is a 990 MB download that includes Oracle's VirtualBox v4.04, a Debian 6 installation, and a Linux version of Firefox 4.0.1 that is all setup to run on Windows XP/Vista/Windows 7. I can see that this should be fairly secure. BUT:

However, phishing attacks that target your personal data and may trick you in providing critical information will still require some common sense not to do so and will not protect you from the effects of such actions.

There are a few downsides. First, it is a hefty 990 MB download and the installed software will require almost 2 GB of space, as there is a need for Oracle's VirtualBox that is included in the package as well as a Debian 6 installation. Since the software is set back to a default level at every time it starts, it is not the most convenient browser to be used on an every day basis for the consumer. The deal breaker is its language. The software was developed for the German government and while it is available as a free download, it is only available in German. Unless you have basic knowledge of German, the installation will be a hurdle too high to overcome and even then it may be rather uncomfortable to be generally used.

So I don't see this as a method that can be adapted to run on a system such as you have described.

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- Is there a lightweight linux emulator for Win98SE to run newer Firefox?

I read about a security software called Bitbox which can run a Linux Firefox on Windoze to prevent Windows viruses. But I guess this is a CPU hog and only designed for modern Windows versions. Is there a cpu friendly linux "adapter" (doesn't need to be a full virtual machine that completely hides file system, cpu and graphics card from emulated programs) that can run the linux version of more modern Firefox versions on a small CPU (AMD K6-III+@550MHz) with Win98SE (and KernelEx)?


I don't think there is anyway your gona run windows and linux at the same time on that box.
You could possibly get some windows apps to work on an older linux under wine, but even there is going to be real slow.

There is a linux firewall app that will run on a very old pc which you can probably find for just about nothing at a thrift store, that you can use as a firewall appliance putting the linux box between your pc and an external cable or DSL modem.

As to small linux you don't even have to install linux to use it, there are live CD versions.
Here is a site with a list of small linux's.
http://bengross.com/smallunix/
go down past the embeded versions

Also you can look up info and URL's for linux here
http://distrowatch.com/

Now if you are just wanting to run firefox semi-safely, nothing in the windows world is 100%, you can get one of the old firewall apps for that old PC from sites like these
http://www.oldapps.com/
http://www.oldversion.com/
or the regular shareware sites like
http://win.softpedia.com/
http://download.cnet.com/windows/
http://www.tucows.com/downloads?hp=A2
Tucows used to keep old versions for a long time, but I see today they have changed things a bit, so I have to look around again and see whats changed.

And then I recommend for you to get plugins(Add_on's) for firefox
https://addons.mozil.../en-US/firefox/

First off get adblockplus plugin.

Get the killjasmin plugin.

Get quickjava plugin and use it to turn off java, flash, and silverlight, only turn these on on trusted sites this plugin puts little click buttons on the firefox status bar to enable disable several options, I also disable java-script when accessing a page that I don't know about, this plugin will do just about as much to protect a machine as a firewall does.

Get the activestopbutton plugin this is just a good idea if a site does something weird stop it and dump it.

Now if you want to get rid of other things you can get plugins like refspoof or useragentswitcher which you can use to send other then your machine info, these also will cause some sites not to work, and change the way some sites look, so there not for everyone.

One note not all plugins work together, and even if they work together they may need to load in a certain way, if you get a problem disable a plugin and then re-enable it, this will change the load order and fix some conflicts, but I have ran into bugs ware I had to disable almost all my plugins and then re-enable them, so beware.

If there is some other problem you are having, there is most likely a plugin for it, some plugins need updated regularly like adblockplus, others are best left alone if they are working for you, as sometimes a new version is not a better one, you can also get a plugin to save your plugins to installable files. I can't find the name right off but just do a search on firefox plugins page and you will find a few, I have a couple of different ones loaded one to do a full backup and another to save the plugins locally.

Anyway I hope this gives you a few ideas, I hate to say it but people can be a bit of well shall we say problems when you ask about stuff for machines they think are due for the trash bin, me I am a packrat and keep everything, plus I don't think old machines belong in the trash, hell they work just as well as the day they were made, they just need new uses.

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I don't search for an additional firewall. The problem is that Firefox 3 support is phasing out on websites by the introduction of HTML5. That's why I need a tool to run a HTML5 compatible browser (e.g. Firefox 7, which is claimed to be resource friendly for use on mobile devices) on Win98SE. So far I know, there are linux versions of it (although they may need a 686 cpu), thus I was thinking of a VM-like linux adapter for Win98SE.

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Opera 10.10 is your best bet. It doesn't need KernelEx, and uses the old type of Flash Plugin.

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Is it possible to implement desktops and window stations like in Windows NT ? It sounds like stupid, but we could make multi session, making desktops and window stations really hard to make.

Edited by luluthefirst, 24 October 2011 - 08:09 AM.


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I don't search for an additional firewall. The problem is that Firefox 3 support is phasing out on websites by the introduction of HTML5. That's why I need a tool to run a HTML5 compatible browser (e.g. Firefox 7, which is claimed to be resource friendly for use on mobile devices) on Win98SE. So far I know, there are linux versions of it (although they may need a 686 cpu), thus I was thinking of a VM-like linux adapter for Win98SE.


HTML5 is not even a standard yet.

Firefox3.5 supports some parts of HTML5.

Here is a link to some info from Mozilla, developers of firefox.
https://developer.mo...g/en/HTML/HTML5

But my guess is your not having a HTML5 problem, what you are most likely running into is a page that uses some weird internet explorer non-standard HTML.

There are several firefox plugins for that.

Get the IEtabplus plugin/add-on for firefox.

There are other IE plugins but I think that is the simplest one.

You get a button to open a page in a IE tab but still get much of the web safety you get from firefox.




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