[paoloapaolo]

Xeno, Tihiy, congratulations for a new version di Kex.... thanks for your great work
I must report problem with installation of new KEx
sometimes occurs following


GOOGLEEARTH 5.2 version kex 4.5 final 2000sp4



GOOGLEEARTH caused an invalid page fault in
form KERNEL32.DLL in 0187:bff80616.
Registers:
EAX=005500b4 CS=0187 EIP=bff80616 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=8238aef8 SS=018f ESP=0054fff0 EBP=00550074
ECX=00000003 DS=018f ESI=000000ff FS=193f
EDX=00000000 ES=018f EDI=005500c0 GS=0000
Byte CS:EIP:
89 45 88 53 8b 45 08 56 8d 55 80 57 89 4d 94 c6

[rainyd]

frogman, on 30 December 2010 - 11:24 AM, said:

When installing the new final version prior to launching should the following be set on the exe file? I know it is already set at this but just thought to ask.

Use default compatibility options.

Yes, you should keep this option as default.
Only if you have a problem with some program, you can disable KernelEx or set specific compatiblity mode.

[Xeno86]

rainyd, on 30 December 2010 - 06:46 AM, said:

Sorry but I must report problem with installation of new KEx: when I've tried to do that, I've got message:
"Error: Failed to open backup file C:\Windows\Sysbckup\Kernel32.dll.
Possible causes: previous version not uninstalled correctly or file has been deleted.
Restore C:\Windows\System\Kernel32.dll manually from install media".

It doesn't matter if I have previous version of KEx installed or not.

This basically means that the previous uninstallation of KernelEx wasn't 'clean' and kernel32.dll wasn't unpatched.
The common cause is KERNEL32.BAK file being deleted. The uninstaller is designed to not complain if it can't revert kernel32.dll modifications.
By previous uninstallation I mean any of KernelEx 4.5 RC1 through RC5 because al these releases shared the same patching scheme and they could detect that file has already had compatible patch applied and didn't complain, even when there was no original kernel32.dll.
KernelEx 4.5 Final uses different patch because of changes made to the installer. The backup of kernel32.dll is no longer stored in KernelEx directory, instead it's now stored under C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP\KERNEL32.DLL so it won't be accidentally deleted by cleanup tools or user. The file stored under SYSBCKUP is always original (unpatched) file.

rainyd, on 30 December 2010 - 07:22 AM, said:

schwups, on 30 December 2010 - 06:58 AM, said:

I've got the same message. After restoring kernel32.dll the setup runs.

In my case installation was stopped (cancelled).
When I've uploaded kernel32.dll to Sysbckup directory, I've got message:
"Error: subsystem_check: pattern not found".

This is not the way it works as you've already noticed
Don't try to outsmart the installer
If it says it needs a file from install media it acutally means it.

CharlesF, on 30 December 2010 - 08:19 AM, said:

frogman, on 30 December 2010 - 04:29 AM, said:

should I just un-install the old version then re-boot and install the new?

I would say that you MUST uninstall KernelEx before installing the new version,
because it is patching the KERNEL32.DLL and making first a backup of the original file in his folder (KERNEL32.BAK in directory %WINDIR%\KernelEx).

If you do the new install 'on the top', the backup will be of the former patched file,
and the original unpatched file would be lost (to be able to restore it, in case of problem).

The installer has the ability to upgrade any version of KernelEx from 4.0 RC1 onwards, it will use the backup file wisely and nothing shall be lost.
It is smart enough to not let you shoot yourself in the foot. Eg. it won't allow double install without reboot or uninstall and install without reboot.
Acutally the only thing it can't do is downgrading.

[TmEE]

So if I put a clean KERNEL32.DLL into the backup folder, I will not be getting uninstall errors etc. ? If so, lovely

[Xeno86]

TmEE, on 31 December 2010 - 04:25 AM, said:

So if I put a clean KERNEL32.DLL into the backup folder, I will not be getting uninstall errors etc. ? If so, lovely

Well the only reason to do this by hand that would be a mysterious disappearance of the backup made automatically by the installer.
Under normal circumstances you shouldn't worry about this. Also since KernelEx 4.5 Final the backup is now persistent - it won't be removed on uninstall and won't be stored in KernelEx dir.

[EvanD]

paoloapaolo, on 30 December 2010 - 12:40 PM, said:

GOOGLEEARTH 5.2 version kex 4.5 final 2000sp4



GOOGLEEARTH caused an invalid page fault in
form KERNEL32.DLL in 0187:bff80616.
Registers:
EAX=005500b4 CS=0187 EIP=bff80616 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=8238aef8 SS=018f ESP=0054fff0 EBP=00550074
ECX=00000003 DS=018f ESI=000000ff FS=193f
EDX=00000000 ES=018f EDI=005500c0 GS=0000
Byte CS:EIP:
89 45 88 53 8b 45 08 56 8d 55 80 57 89 4d 94 c6

Another Google Earth 5.2 failure:

GOOGLEEARTH caused an exception c06d007eH in module GOOGLEEARTH.EXE at 0177:004023be.
Registers:
EAX=0064fd1c CS=0177 EIP=004023be EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=017f ESP=0064fcc0 EBP=0064fd10
ECX=ea9292d0 DS=017f ESI=00404f3c FS=71af
EDX=81d63818 ES=017f EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 45 d8 e9 f3 00 00 00 57 ff 75 e8 ff 15 50 40
Stack dump:
00400000 0000002c 00000000 00000024 00404f3c 00406250 004041c0 00000001 00404f86 00000000 00000000 0000001f bff70000 bfa05345 00406258 00000000

I had to use Orca on the MSI in Windows\Temp to delete all references to "9x" and it installed. When I try to run it, the aforementioned error occurs.

This post has been edited by EvanD: 31 December 2010 - 04:06 PM

[jds]

Tihiy, on 22 December 2010 - 02:24 PM, said:

Quote

What does it mean that it works with Windows 95 shell?

You should test. But theoretically, it should work. And thus make SH95UPD a bit obsolete.

Next release is final and delayed because we don't have time. RC6.rar is close to final. You can post it probably; i can't because xeno would punch me.

Firstly, thanks to you and Xeno for your much-appreciated work.

Now, simply (as it's still unclear to me at least) - does this mean that KernelEx is now (or should be) compatible with W95?

(There have been requests for this from W95 users, and previously, the nearest offering has been SH95UPD.)

BTW, just took a quick look at the Compatibility Database in the Wiki at SF. It's not clear how new app's are added to this, but perhaps the page looks different once you register and login (maybe a new ADD button becomes visible). I'll check further into this when time permits.

Joe.

[loblo]

Hi Xeno, I don't think it is necessary the installer does this:

Quote

NUL=C:\WINDOWS\WININIT.LOG
DIRNUL=C:\_RESTORE\TEMP

I even think it's very bad actually since log of wininit operations gets lost (why should it?) and any files previously replaced on startup by wininit which gets backed up in that dir on WinME also get lost (why should they?)

Unless perhaps you are doing this because of some issue with system restore which I am not using (removed from my system since eons)?

Seems to be running great as usual otherwise.

Cheers and happy new year everyone.

[craftech]

Well, I am back to the same problem again with trying to print from Firefox. Crashes every time. Too late to roll back to Firefox 2 (didn't save it). Seemed to work for awhile with the newer version of Kernel EX, but this problem has occurred with every version and whatever the core problem is, it still isn't fixed. Works for some people though I guess, but not for me and a number of others who have posted the problem here over the years

John

[Dave-H]

craftech, on 01 January 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

Well, I am back to the same problem again with trying to print from Firefox. Crashes every time. Too late to roll back to Firefox 2 (didn't save it). Seemed to work for awhile with the newer version of Kernel EX, but this problem has occurred with every version and whatever the core problem is, it still isn't fixed. Works for some people though I guess, but not for me and a number of others who have posted the problem here over the years

John

All the versions of Firefox are available here if you do need to roll back.

[frogman]

Dave-H, on 01 January 2011 - 10:13 AM, said:

craftech, on 01 January 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

Well, I am back to the same problem again with trying to print from Firefox. Crashes every time. Too late to roll back to Firefox 2 (didn't save it). Seemed to work for awhile with the newer version of Kernel EX, but this problem has occurred with every version and whatever the core problem is, it still isn't fixed. Works for some people though I guess, but not for me and a number of others who have posted the problem here over the years

John

All the versions of Firefox are available here if you do need to roll back.

Not that I am an expert, but would it help by changing the compatibility tab for firefox.exe to Windows 98?

I have to say that when I went to file ---->print the print dialogue appeared, only for some seconds later for the illegal message then closedown.

Even going to the page setup brings a Firefox error.

FIREFOX caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 016f:bff7b9f5.
Registers:
EAX=034492e0 CS=016f EIP=bff7b9f5 EFLGS=00010202
EBX=00a0ff68 SS=0177 ESP=00910000 EBP=00910024
ECX=00911df8 DS=0177 ESI=00000001 FS=37ef
EDX=00000001 ES=0177 EDI=8196a724 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
56 57 89 65 e8 75 04 33 c0 eb 54 85 c0 74 4b c7
Stack dump:
00a0ff68 034492e0 00000001 00a0ff68 034492e0 00911df8 bffc05b4 bff79250 ffffffff 00911e08 bff7ce23 034492e0 00000001 03449401 034492e0 00911e30

This post has been edited by frogman: 01 January 2011 - 11:10 AM

[frogman]

craftech, on 01 January 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

Well, I am back to the same problem again with trying to print from Firefox. Crashes every time. Too late to roll back to Firefox 2 (didn't save it). Seemed to work for awhile with the newer version of Kernel EX, but this problem has occurred with every version and whatever the core problem is, it still isn't fixed. Works for some people though I guess, but not for me and a number of others who have posted the problem here over the years

John

Hi John and all, Happy New Year.

I have supplied a link to download the Firefox version 2.0.0.20, I can verify this is safe as I used it prior to using FF3

Link deleted.

This post has been edited by frogman: 01 January 2011 - 05:55 PM

[EvanD]

craftech, on 01 January 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

Well, I am back to the same problem again with trying to print from Firefox. Crashes every time. Too late to roll back to Firefox 2 (didn't save it). Seemed to work for awhile with the newer version of Kernel EX, but this problem has occurred with every version and whatever the core problem is, it still isn't fixed. Works for some people though I guess, but not for me and a number of others who have posted the problem here over the years

John

Here's the comment from Xeno86 on the KernelEx Wiki: Printing basically doesn't work with Firefox 3+. As suggested I use the IE View add-on in FF 3 for printing from IE6 and it's only a minor inconvenience since IE6 is preloaded in Windows and it opens very fast to the page I want to print. The Abduction add-on creates an image of the page which you can print from another program like Irfanview. Finally, if you want to try IE Tab, vers. 1.85 is the last one that works with Win 9x but I've had problems with it when printing from FF3+.

This post has been edited by EvanD: 01 January 2011 - 04:07 PM

[Steven W]

Those of you looking for older versions of FF, they're available from Mozilla:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.or...refox/releases/

Version 2.0.0.20 for Windows is here, just click on the directory for your language:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.or...2.0.0.20/win32/

[snuz2]

jds, on 31 December 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:

Tihiy, on 22 December 2010 - 02:24 PM, said:

Quote

What does it mean that it works with Windows 95 shell?

You should test. But theoretically, it should work. And thus make SH95UPD a bit obsolete.

Next release is final and delayed because we don't have time. RC6.rar is close to final. You can post it probably; i can't because xeno would punch me.

Firstly, thanks to you and Xeno for your much-appreciated work.

Now, simply (as it's still unclear to me at least) - does this mean that KernelEx is now (or should be) compatible with W95?

(There have been requests for this from W95 users, and previously, the nearest offering has been SH95UPD.)

BTW, just took a quick look at the Compatibility Database in the Wiki at SF. It's not clear how new app's are added to this, but perhaps the page looks different once you register and login (maybe a new ADD button becomes visible). I'll check further into this when time permits.

Joe.

The fix mentioned involves using the W95 shell under W98. There was a conflict between the W95 shell and KX which has been resolved. I don't know if KX will work under the W95 OS. Afaik, you still need SHUPD95 for the same programs it always was needed for. That is, I don't think there are any W95 shell entries that have been added to KX to make SHUPD95 obsolete. The problem was an incompatibility with the W95 shell that crept into the code at some point.

[jds]

snuz2, on 01 January 2011 - 05:49 PM, said:

The fix mentioned involves using the W95 shell under W98. There was a conflict between the W95 shell and KX which has been resolved. I don't know if KX will work under the W95 OS. Afaik, you still need SHUPD95 for the same programs it always was needed for. That is, I don't think there are any W95 shell entries that have been added to KX to make SHUPD95 obsolete. The problem was an incompatibility with the W95 shell that crept into the code at some point.

I see. W95 shell under W98.

The SH95UPD description says "This project implements functions not found in the windows 95 shell .. SH95UPD is based on the KernelEX project, and is basically a stripped down version of KernelEX". To me, this implied a KernelEx-ish equivalent for W95. So Tihiy's comment about "make SH95UPD a bit obsolete" made me wonder if KernelEx was now compatible with W95 (it has been previously stated by Xeno86 that it isn't).

However, if SH95UPD isn't actually a KernelEx-ish equivalent for W95, then we can conclude that KernelEx continues not to support W95. (And I'd also better stop referring W95 users to SH95UPD.)

Joe.

[caos]

Running KernelEx 4.5 Final on Windows 98SE I tried installing VLC Player 1.1.5 but it crashed hard. It won't even play an MP3 file. I scanned through here and some people recommended getting the unicows.dll file, but I have that in my windows\system\ directory. I even found two other versions on my computer so I took the one with the most recent date (August 31, 2007) and overwrote the one in the windows\system directory. No change. So now I'm downloading KMPlayer I think 2.9.3..xxxx (edit:it works) or something, I got the info out of this forum that it was working for someone. A few quick questions:

What's the latest VLC Player version that can run under KernelEx?
What's the latest KMPlayer version that can run under KernelEx?
Which one's better?
Any tips for either?

This post has been edited by caos: 02 January 2011 - 07:13 AM

[frogman]

CharlesF, on 02 January 2011 - 02:30 PM, said:

Printing is now perfect

Is this on Firefox 3.6.13?

I keep getting a crash while attempting to print from the file menu and or ctrl P.

This post has been edited by frogman: 02 January 2011 - 03:23 PM

[CharlesF]

frogman, on 02 January 2011 - 03:21 PM, said:

CharlesF, on 02 January 2011 - 02:30 PM, said:

• Printing is now perfect

Is this on Firefox 3.6.13?

You were already told that it won't work with Firefox 3+

My comment is referring to the bug of RC5 fixed by 4.5 Final:

• Fixed hang issues with printers.

[patclash]

caos, on 02 January 2011 - 07:08 AM, said:

Running KernelEx 4.5 Final on Windows 98SE I tried installing VLC Player 1.1.5 but it crashed hard. It won't even play an MP3 file. I scanned through here and some people recommended getting the unicows.dll file, but I have that in my windows\system\ directory. I even found two other versions on my computer so I took the one with the most recent date (August 31, 2007) and overwrote the one in the windows\system directory. No change. So now I'm downloading KMPlayer I think 2.9.3..xxxx (edit:it works) or something, I got the info out of this forum that it was working for someone. A few quick questions:

What's the latest VLC Player version that can run under KernelEx?
What's the latest KMPlayer version that can run under KernelEx?
Which one's better?
Any tips for either?

For me the last VLC 1.1.5 work fine with KernelEX 4.5 Final (I just try it again with some mp3 and flv)

This post has been edited by patclash: 02 January 2011 - 04:25 PM