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#1261 User is offline   Drugwash 

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 02:32 PM

View Postjaclaz, on 17 November 2011 - 09:51 AM, said:

View PostDrugwash, on 16 November 2011 - 01:48 PM, said:

... and that'd be as fun as scratching my head with a rake! No thanks... We're in a topic that tries to improve Win9x by adding "native" abilities where MS left off.
For the record, I doubt that running IE 8 or 9 can be called an ability. :ph34r:
Or, you know ;)', ability as in "I have the ability to shoot my own foot"

jaclaz

I hope we won't get involved in yet another flame war, but so far, I managed to get away without any viruses, spyware or anything similar, while still using an IE-based browser on a daily basis and staying connected to the Internet 24/7 without any antivirus or firewall. Not counting very early attempts at choosing the right browser (please note my very first browser was Netscape Navigator, at the time), 2011 was the year I first installed and started to use something other than SlimBrowser (which is IE-based) - namely K-Meleon and only because SlimBrowser started to crash MSHTML.DLL constantly on more and more sites (which may as well be my fault for installing system files that might not have been tested and proved working on a 9x system). This one is not much better, because it crashes my video driver for a change and must reboot the system to fix this, so I could count it as a downgrade.
The new Firefox 9 beta does work, but lacks the most important Bookmarks support; what is more irritating than that is the fact that upon exit (possibly due to some add-on inherited from Firefox 3.6), Firefox 9 wipes out all cookies stored by K-Meleon, so when I start the latter, I have to re-login to my daily sites, while usually K-Meleon keeps me logged in. As a single user with no concern about in-house privacy, this is a big deterrent.

So all in all, I'd say personally I might well cope with IE8+ on my system, given the possibility. But yes, I'm only speaking for myself as anyone else's experience may vary within large limits.

Proof of browser bugs: visible line break and other tags that had to be manually removed.

This post has been edited by Drugwash: 17 November 2011 - 07:29 PM



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Posted 17 November 2011 - 06:57 PM

View Posttogermano, on 17 November 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Do U have an email so we could donate via paypal? thank u so much for ur work and making my 9x computer last a wee bit longer x :wub: :yes:



I think this is a great idea!

I don't have much money but I'd at least drop a little in the kitty and buy Xeno86 a 12 pack of beer or a case of pop for all he's done, its not enough but I can't afford to give him what its really worth.

If I had real money I'd toss him a couple of hundred grand just for keeping money out of that old robber baron Gate's pocket.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 12:10 PM

@Xeno86

I never suspected that this was due to KernelEx (4.5, 4.51):
Opening the window's file properties was accompanied by a leakage of GDI resources - which a was visible when you open the properties window for multiple files in succession.

Yesterday, having already installed version 4.52 KernelEx, with a positive surprise, I noticed that this leak is NO longer present!
Thank you! :D

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 10:24 PM

View Postegrabrych, on 20 November 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

@Xeno86

I never suspected that this was due to KernelEx (4.5, 4.51):
Opening the window's file properties was accompanied by a leakage of GDI resources - which a was visible when you open the properties window for multiple files in succession.

Yesterday, having already installed version 4.52 KernelEx, with a positive surprise, I noticed that this leak is NO longer present!
Thank you! :D

For me 12 Alpha 1105 works great, but the new 12 Alpha 1155 is wearing me out with heavily reported bugs -- everything from distorted GIFs to pages that squash when I open my email to 12 Alpha misreading pages. Even the devs are not happy with this Alpha. The big problem seems to be a few typos in some ini's! 12 v 1155 is faster.

Dave

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 02:58 PM

Xeno86,

I have installed last KernelEx 4.5.2 this WE and so far so good.

I didn't got new findings, but thank you so much to keep this awesome work alive!
:thumbup :thumbup :thumbup

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:56 PM

One thing to take into account: DirectX. Yesterday I've reinstalled the unofficial DirectX June 2007 in a desperate attempt to find/fix the crashing video driver issue that keeps happening with K-Meleon.
After install and reboot, I started dxdiag. Kept waiting for a couple minutes but nothing showed up. Looking into running processes, I noticed dxdiag.exe and DxDllReg.exe (which was set to RunOnce after reboot). They both had KEx enabled by default, which got them stuck. I disabled KEx for both, killed the processes and relaunched DxDllReg and then dxdiag. This time the diagnostics window popped up promptly.

Therefore, I believe these two DirectX-related apps should be listed by default in KernelEx exceptions as "disabled".

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:49 PM

So far, Kernel Ex has worked well on a virtual 98SE unit. The present version of SeaMonkey (2.4.1) runs but has a few issues. The "set as default" option doesn't work, asks every time. On the virtual system SeaMonkey will not save or import bookmarks. Is anyone else having this problem or is it a problem with my virtual system?

The present version of Kex seems to get along with the apps on my default system, including SSM and Tor. I'm holding off updating SeaMonkey for now. When I tried to add my usual complement of extensions to SeaMonkey on the virtual system, most would work with 2.4, including FlashBlock, Ghostery, and Better Privacy. Hopefully those who maintain the extensions can catch up to this ridiculous update cycle they're using now.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 06:32 AM

View Postherbalist, on 21 November 2011 - 10:49 PM, said:

The present version of SeaMonkey (2.4.1) runs but has a few issues. The "set as default" option doesn't work, asks every time. On the virtual system SeaMonkey will not save or import bookmarks. Is anyone else having this problem or is it a problem with my virtual system?

As already mentioned the Firefox bookmarks and history issue also affects the current build of SeaMonkey and Palemoon as well as CometBird. However I don't have an issue with the "set as default" option, this works as it should here.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 11:59 PM

I don't see the purpose of KernelEx because it only aims to satisfy browsers. What about other apps? For instance, IPV6. What good is an updated browser once IPV6 comes into effect? Maybe your app would be more appealing if you aimed to please more than just a variety of "Browser" users.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:12 AM

Through the years, people have posted various apps that were able to install and run thanks to KernelEx and they were not all browsers: media players, image manipulating apps, document editors, etc. You just didn't bother to read the whole thread.

IPv6 pertains to the network section and has nothing to do whatsoever with the kernel. Therefore KernelEx cannot be held responsible for lack of IPv6 support. It does help with keeping a choice of browsers updated and working, should anyone take on the IPv6 support. For, what good is IPv6 access if no 9x browser can access the Internet?

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:31 AM

View PostDrugwash, on 23 November 2011 - 01:12 AM, said:

For, what good is IPv6 access if no 9x browser can access the Internet.

For, what good is a browser if it can't handle IPV6. Take your foot out your mouth and talk some sense.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 01:48 AM

Routers, even a few years old, can handle IPv6 just fine, in the mean time.
I've raised the IPv6 issue again myself, recently, in a dedicated topic.

Please, follow your own advice from above.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 03:07 PM

Hello ,

Please , see this link
and tell me what you think about my problem !

Thanks

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 05:39 AM

View Postfoxitt, on 27 November 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hello ,

Please , see  this  link
and tell me what you think about my problem  !

Thanks

Hallo foxitt,

try to restore kernel32.dll in the system folder manually  from the install media (setup disk).


Read following posts in this topic:

Kernel32.dll


If you use  Avast antivirus try to disable it for the KernelEX installation and for the restart. 

I also had this problem on one machine with KernelEX 4.5.2.  :hello:



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Posted 28 November 2011 - 10:32 AM

View Postschwups, on 28 November 2011 - 05:39 AM, said:

View Postfoxitt, on 27 November 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hello ,

Please , see  this  link
and tell me what you think about my problem  !

Thanks

Hallo foxitt,

try to restore kernel32.dll in the system folder manually  from the install media (setup disk).


Read following posts in this topic:

Kernel32.dll


If you use  Avast antivirus try to disable it for the KernelEX installation and for the restart. 

I also had this problem on one machine with KernelEX 4.5.2.  :hello:



Good idea... it works fine now :yes:

Thanks...

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:59 PM

:hello:

A problem with Firefox 8.0.1 under KernelEx :

I can't bookmark any page !

Crash when closing the software but no problem to reopen... !

Do you experience that... ?

Thanks

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 01:25 PM

View Postfoxitt, on 28 November 2011 - 12:59 PM, said:

:hello:

A problem with Firefox 8.0.1  under KernelEx :

I can't bookmark any page !

Crash when closing the software but no problem to reopen... !

Do you experience that... ?

Thanks


Recently visited addresses, history and bookmarks don't work. Those issues aren't solved for Firefox 4+.    KernelEX Wiki   /   KernelEX Home


I don't know why Firefox 8.0.1 crashes when closing. I've tested only FF 8.0 and it doesn't  crash for me.






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Posted 28 November 2011 - 11:30 PM

View PostHu$tle, on 22 November 2011 - 11:59 PM, said:

I don't see the purpose of KernelEx because it only aims to satisfy browsers. What about other apps? For instance, IPV6. What good is an updated browser once IPV6 comes into effect? Maybe your app would be more appealing if you aimed to please more than just a variety of "Browser" users.


I think you have basically missed the whole point of KernalEX and that is to keep an old system usable without spending a zillion dollars on a new version of windows.

KernalEX works with a wide and varied collection of software, it doesn't support everything, but it does support a hell of a lot of Apps that have basically dumped support for older operating systems. (some of the different software that works is listed right on the first page of this thread first page second post Everything that says fixed is working, if you go threw this whole thread you will see tons of apps, but what you really need to do is install KernalEx on your old windows 98/ME system and see what works, then if something doesn't work ask questions here and people can tell you how to do things.)

Even a lot of apps that say they support an older windows system will not work, So KernalEX is a much needed add on to help keep an older system working.

Perfection does not exist in the software world, sure there are some apps that don't work with KernalEX, but a lot of the problems I've seen are related to problems other than KernalEX, which is a hell of a lot more then you can say for most of microsofts patches.

As to the browser bit, well I think a lot more of that ends up on the KernalEX thread because those who update their browser at every new iteration are well to put it nicely not very computer literate and they think installing every new browser iteration is going to protect them from all the nasty critters running wild on the net, which they don't.

Most of the panic is caused by company's out to make money, who want people to install new browsers, so their new advertising works, that's why all the problems happened in the first place, company's installing "features" to force people to view advertising, this is what allows all the nasty bugs to infect computers in the first place.

The newest HTML5 flock has been so they can put more trackers on peoples computers, so they can target you with even more advertising.

As to IPV6 well that is more of a USA government push, so they will have an exact location for every internet connection world wide, if you read up on the critter its all about assigning a unique IP number to every single person and device world wide, not just an update of IPV4. And there is a IPV6 winsock for older systems, but as someone said any current router(built into most cable and DSL modems) can already do IPV4 to IPV6 translation, so you don't need IPV6 on your computer anyway.

I'm gona tell you something else, that's going to happen, unless people do some serious contacting of their representatives and get laws passed to make the net free and that is we will all get taxed directly for everything we do on the net, for each e-mail, for each picture, for every video clip, in short a tax on everything. They have been wanting to tax people directly for web use for a while now and tried to get a law threw in the USA, I think they have tried in England and I'm sure other places.

Back the the topic of this thread, KernalEX is a great product, even more so when you consider its free, it may have a few bugs but I haven't seen them on my two old computers.

That said, sure not everything works on it, but tell me a piece of a similar kind of software that everything works with it, I'll bet you can't find any.
The big company's can't make software that works on every machine, with every set of hardware, with every set of installed software, etc.

So why complain of free software that works pretty dang good at what it was designed to do.

The is only one thing I would like to see for KernalEX and that is better documentation, but I can't complain, doc's are time consuming, hell I have been thinking of weeding threw this thread and the other KernalEX thread and making my own set of docs by gleaning the needed info and pruning out all the rest but I've started a couple of times and just kina put it off.

Anyway I have rambeled a bit too much, but one final thought and that is ...

To commend Xeno86 again for all his many many many hours of hard work.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:04 AM

The crash on exit might be a problem introduced with 8.0.1. I've experienced the crash on exit with 9.0 beta, in XP compatibility mode. In Windows 2000 compatibility it doesn't crash on exit, but the taskbar button is missing and there's no SysTray icon either. I've already reported these issues somewhere above.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:40 AM

View Postschwups, on 28 November 2011 - 01:25 PM, said:

View Postfoxitt, on 28 November 2011 - 12:59 PM, said:

:hello:

A problem with Firefox 8.0.1  under KernelEx :

I can't bookmark any page !

Crash when closing the software but no problem to reopen... !

Do you experience that... ?

Thanks


Recently visited addresses, history and bookmarks don't work. Those issues aren't solved for Firefox 4+.    KernelEX Wiki   /   KernelEX Home


I don't know why Firefox 8.0.1 crashes when closing. I've tested only FF 8.0 and it doesn't  crash for me.


Thanks for the links :yes:
Wait and see...

Certainly a "bad" addon because Firefox does not crash with a blank profile !

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