[M()zart]

Found bug in KernelEx 4.5 b2 - it does not set compatibility for the exe file if the filename or path contains russian characters. I have russian Win98.

[M()zart]

At last it seems that my problem with shutdown with USB flash drive plugged in and KernelEx installed is fixed after I applied FIX WIN98 SE USB + SHUTDOWN ERRORS instruction, step 2. If there are anybody with the same problem, you may try it as well.

[JoelC]

Hi,
I'm running Win98SE.

For the first time today, I have downloaded and installed KernelEX 4.5 Beta 2

I have successfully installed FireFox 3.6.8, and it is working great so far. I have installed some add-ons, imported the bookmarks from my Win XP machine, downloaded some files, etc.

I am a registered owner of 4NT8, from JPSoftware. A trial version is available for download from JPSoft. This program requires W2K/WinXP, and will not work on plain Win98SE.

I have ran the install, but a dialog appears saying that 4NT cannot be installed on Windows 9x/ME.

I right-clicked on the 4nt802.exe installer, and selected Windows 2000 SP4 to use for compatibility mode.

NOTE 1: I ran the install, but a dialog appears saying "The Windows Installer Service could not be accessed. This can occur if you are running Windows in safe mode, or if the Windows Installed is not correctly installed. Contact your support personnel for assistance."

So, I ran 4nt802.exe /extract to get the individual files. This gave me 4nt.ini, 4nt.msi, disk1.cab

I ran 4nt.msi, but a dialog appears saying that 4NT can not be installed on Windows 9x/ME. There is no compatibility tab for the 4nt.msi file.

I ran xp.reg, and tried running 4nt802.exe again. See NOTE 1: for results. I then ran unxp.reg

I also tried XP compatibility mode. Same results.

My other programs, primarily Microsoft Visual Studio 5, all seem to be working fine with KernelEX 4.5 Beta 2. It is great to have FireFox running on Win98SE.

I would like to run 4NT8 on Win98SE, if possible.

As I said, I just discovered KernelEX 4.5 Beta 2, and have been reading this forum, and have reviewed the apps that run thanks to KernelEX. Glad to see that I am not the only one still using Win98SE.

Thanks from Joe

[Dave-H]

Hi Joe, welcome to the forum!

So far you've done everything that I would have done to try and get a supposedly non-compatible program working on an operating system it wasn't designed for.
What you should try next is to modify the msi file that you extracted so that it doesn't expect at least Windows 2000/XP.
What you need is a utility called Orca. It can be downloaded here.

Make a backup copy of the msi file so you've still got an un-modified copy to return to if things go wrong!
If you open the msi file using Orca, you will see on the left an entry called "launchcondition".
If you open it you'll see on the right what OS versions the installer expects.

Probably the quickest fix is to highlight all the relevant rows, and select "cut row" from the edit menu.
Then save the file, and try running it again.

This is by no means guaranteed to work of course.
The installer may need version 3 of the installer system, which isn't available for Windows 98.
Even if it doesn't, it may still not work due to other dependencies that just aren't there, even with KernelEx.

At least you've done everything you can though.
Good luck!

This post has been edited by Dave-H: 26 July 2010 - 05:19 AM

[JoelC]

Dave-H, on 26 July 2010 - 05:16 AM, said:

What you need is a utility called Orca. It can be downloaded here.

Hi,
I downloaded orca.msi, and when I launched it, the dialog "Orca does not support this version of Windows" was displayed.

So, I installed orca.msi on an XP system, used it to modify 4nt.msi as you suggested, copied 4nt.msi to my Win98SE system, launched 4nt.msi, and the installation was successful. Thankyou.

Now, let's try and launch the program.

I launched 4NT 8.02, but upon launch, it displayed a dialog saying "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down". From the buttons "Close" "Debug" "Details" I selected Close to dismiss the dialog.

Next, on the 4nt.exe program, I right-clicked, and tried compatibility modes of Windows XP SP2 and Windows 2000 SP4.

Same results.

Joe

[loblo]

Dave-H, on 26 July 2010 - 05:16 AM, said:

The installer may need version 3 of the installer system, which isn't available for Windows 98.

I just mention that this can also generally be bypassed by going to View/Summary Information in Orca and changing the Schema field value from 300 to 200. Already pointed out by Tihiy somewhere in this thread I think.

JoelC, there is no guarantee all NT/2K/XP programs will work because KernelEx is installed on your system, and this especially if those programs are working with low level NT stuff as I suspect yours might perhaps do.

[MDGx]

Here are all versions of Orca, including the older ones, supported in 98/ME:
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#ORCA

HTH

[Dave-H]

@MDGx
Thanks as always for your input MD!

I'd forgotten that the version of Orca I pointed Joe to wouldn't actually run on Windows 98! D'oh!

@JoelC
Unfortunately it looks as if your program just won't work under Windows 98, even with KernelEx installed.
Can't win them all I'm afraid, but at least we tried!
I can't think of anything else to suggest I'm afraid.

This post has been edited by Dave-H: 26 July 2010 - 09:06 AM

[JoelC]

Dave-H, on 26 July 2010 - 09:06 AM, said:

@JoelC
Unfortunately it looks as if your program just won't work under Windows 98, even with KernelEx installed.
Can't win them all I'm afraid, but at least we tried!
I can't think of anything else to suggest I'm afraid.

No problem. I'm just fortunate that I can now use FireFox in Win98SE.

Joe

[Xeno86]

KernelEx v4.5 RC 1
Release announcement


Fixed. Finally.


What's new:

• Reworked 'Compatibility' tab to allow resetting compatibility settings to default values
  
• Resources with high ID are disallowed when KernelEx is disabled
  
• Platform check is now re-enabled when KernelEx is disabled
  
• Fixed settings not applied for applications with international characters in path
  
• Implemented get-post I/O completion ports functionality

Apps fixed / now working:

• Fixed: MSYS (broken)
  
• Fixed: Microsoft Access XP (crashing)
  
• Fixed: Rally Championship '99 (crashing)
  
• Fixed: GTA San Andreas (crashing)
  
• Fixed: VLC 1.0+ (UI)
  
• Fixed: Firefox 3.6.4+ (high cpu usage)
  
• Now working: Adobe Flash 10.1 plugin
  
• Now working: Mozilla Firefox 4.0 Beta 2
  
• Now working: Artweaver 1.0
  
• Now working: MPC-HC (newer builds, svn build 1391+)

[rainyd]

Xeno, great to see Release Candidate of KernelEx!

I must say, that changelog looks pretty impressive!

Btw, special thanks for MPC-HC and VLC.

This post has been edited by rainyd: 30 July 2010 - 04:01 PM

[egrabrych]

After installing KernelEx 4.5 RC1 each time I run Windows 98 Second Edition (Polish version) I get the message: "Błąd przy uruchamianiu programu Uruchomienie pliku KEXBASEN.DLL jest niemożliwe. Sprawdź plik, aby rozpoznać problem." ("The kexbasen.dll cannot start. Check the file to determine the problem.")
 capture_01082010_140254.jpg (19.98K)
Number of downloads: 7
There was no such an error in KernelEx 4.0 final2. I have the impression that KernelEx 4.5 works correctly, however, there may be a too small time limit?
I have a Pentium MMX 233 CPU, 128MB EDO RAM, KernelEx Core v4.5.11, kexbasen.dll file: version 4,5,1,1 / 4.5 RC1, 95,5kB (97 792).

This post has been edited by egrabrych: 01 August 2010 - 06:08 AM

[Xeno86]

egrabrych, on 01 August 2010 - 06:06 AM, said:

After installing KernelEx 4.5 RC1 each time I run Windows 98 Second Edition (Polish version) I get the message

First of all I would try to uninstall any version you have installed and do a fresh install of KernelEx.
If that doesn't help, report back.

[CharlesF]

Xeno86, on 30 July 2010 - 03:56 PM, said:

KernelEx v4.5 RC 1
Release announcement

Thanks Xeno86 for your work !

My feedback:

1°) install KernelEx v4.5 RC 1 (after uninstall of previous version 4.5 beta 2):
so far so good
no bug or regression detected.

2°) run last VLC 1.1.2 (zip file, no installer, after I have deleted the %windir%\Application Data\vlc folder from old version):
Not working
- program is launching
- menus are readable
but
- files are not running : I tried mp3, mp4 and wmv
- doesn't accept to change language of GUI
- shut off is broken: program stays in memory (I have to use Ctrl+Alt+Del to kill it), icon is still in the systray and I had a crash at reboot

3°) install Flash player 10.1.53.64 (ActiveX & Plugin, after uninstall of old versions):
- no need of any trick with registry, neither the
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion]
"CurrentVersion"="5.1"
of Page 1, neither anyone else!
- twice are running smooth. Right versions are indicated in Adobe site.
- the Non-IE version is installed in %windir%\SYSTEM\Macromed\Flash,
and Opera had detected it at once.

4°) BTW, what is the use of the new "Disable custom heap" in the compatibility tab?

Later EDIT:
5°) I have the same problem with Maxthon that I had with new VLC 1.1.2:
if I have a few tabs open, it can freeze completely if I try to close all together, or it does not unload from memory when I shut it off, and I have to use Ctrl+Alt+Del to kill it.
Never had such problem before, but I can't say if it comes from new KernelEx or from Flash player 10.1.

2nd Edit:
I have tried to disable 'Hardware acceleration' in Flash settings, but it doesn't help.

3rd Edit:
New try after uninstall of Flash player 10.1
(only the ActiveX, for the reason that I have no bug with the plugin).
I thought to downgrade to last version 10.0
...but the problems are the same in Maxthon .

This post has been edited by CharlesF: 02 August 2010 - 07:41 PM

[Mathwiz]

Well, this kinda sucks:

The Win98 FreeCell solitaire game doesn't work with KernelEx 4.5 beta 2 or 4.5 RC 1.

• Function keys do nothing
  
• Display is corrupted when moving multiple cards
  
• "Select game" menu option locks it up
  
• Random lockups while playing
  
• No crashes, therefore no drwatson log; sorry

And there's no compatibility tab on the Freecell.exe properties, so I can't just turn KernelEx off!

FreeCell runs fine if I uninstall KernelEx.

I realize a solitaire game isn't the biggest issue, but still

[CharlesF]

Mathwiz, on 02 August 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

Well, this kinda sucks:
The Win98 FreeCell solitaire game doesn't work with KernelEx 4.5 beta 2 or 4.5 RC 1.

Sorry, I just tried here
and don't have such corruptions:
function keys, Display, "Select game" function are OK.

Freecell.exe version is 4.10.1998

Mathwiz, on 02 August 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

And there's no compatibility tab on the Freecell.exe properties, so I can't just turn KernelEx off!

Me too.

This post has been edited by CharlesF: 03 August 2010 - 02:22 AM

[Mathwiz]

CharlesF, on 03 August 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

Sorry, I just tried here
and don't have such corruptions:
function keys, Display, "Select game" function are OK.

Freecell.exe version is 4.10.1998

I have the same version. That's frustrating.

I even tried uninstalling and reinstalling with the 'disabled by default' option - still doesn't work.

I also have a minor bug in Reversi (old 16-bit game): the cursor is supposed to change to a cross on squares that are legal moves. It does, but it gets "stuck" - it stays a cross everywhere on the board.

Both work properly if KernelEx is uninstalled. Everything else I've tried seems fine with KernelEx, including other solitaire games and Firefox 3.5.8.

[CharlesF]

Mathwiz, on 03 August 2010 - 03:05 AM, said:

I also have a minor bug in Reversi (old 16-bit game): the cursor is supposed to change to a cross on squares that are legal moves. It does, but it gets "stuck" - it stays a cross everywhere on the board.

Do you have a link for your Reversi, it's not a default game in Windows.

[frogman]

CharlesF, on 03 August 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

Mathwiz, on 02 August 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

Well, this kinda sucks:
The Win98 FreeCell solitaire game doesn't work with KernelEx 4.5 beta 2 or 4.5 RC 1.

Sorry, I just tried here
and don't have such corruptions:
function keys, Display, "Select game" function are OK.

Freecell.exe version is 4.10.1998

Mathwiz, on 02 August 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

And there's no compatibility tab on the Freecell.exe properties, so I can't just turn KernelEx off!

Me too.

I thought there was meant to be a compatibility tab for all .exe files?

Why not in this case of Freecell.exe I wonder?

[M()zart]

frogman, on 03 August 2010 - 04:00 AM, said:

I thought there was meant to be a compatibility tab for all .exe files?

Why not in this case of Freecell.exe I wonder?

I think this is because it is 16bit exe, and Compatibility tab should appear for 32bit apps only. I thought KernelEx affects only 32bit apps...