[magicfly]

Hi guys
After that my PIII 933 died...i had the need to buy a new pc...but i have a big terrific question?

Should i buy a AMD or Intel?
I'm a student so i don't need to run big big applications, i just need the same tools everyone own in his computer...such a painting tools, office tools...and games for sure

I thought to buy an AMD 2800 xp+ but it's better than a Pentium IV for my needs?
Let me know

Bye

[cspm2003]

I personally perfer amd chips. My friend just got his 2800+ like 2 weeks ago and he's very very happy with it. a P4 2.8 is probably better than a 2800+ but you wont notice the difference.
Get an amd is my recomendation

[magicfly]

my friends told me that AMD 2800 xp+ don't stand for 2.8 Ghz of processor...
how much is the difference (about 2.4 Ghz or 2.6 Ghz?)

[Deezire]

An 2800+ is real at 2081 MHZ....

But I Still Recommend you Amd....

[un4given1]

true... an XP2800 doesn't run at 2.8... It has a thruput of a 2.8, so it's like having a V6 with V8 power. I am an AMD man myself.

[venim]

Amd Athlon 2800+ is about 2250 Mhz.
It's not the same as a pentium 4 2800Mhz..
Well I'm interested in buying a pentium 4 3Ghz but I have to change my mobo so that it fits oentium processors..
I have an athlon xp 2000+ and its worth buying Amd!
Hope that I helped a little

[magicfly]

ok guys..
if you had to buy a new pc now...which model would you choose (motherboard and processor) with a medium cost...not too high

[Aaron]

While its true that an AMD 2800+ isn't 2.8GHz, but AMD named them that way because the performance of a 2800+ equals that of a Pentium 4 2.8GHz.

[cspm2003]

I'd get an abit nf-7 mainboard (about 70USD) and an athlon xp 2600+ (86USD). Depending on how much you want to spend, maybe get a faster cpu, or go for the dual-channel memory that's supported by the nf-7

[R600]

I can't remember where I saw the review on CPUs but they said that for AMD the 2500+ is top for value for money out of all the AMD processors.

[Ghost]

AMD has a technilogical lead too, but it also depends on the platform you want. You could get a K8 upgrade (mobo+CPU+RAM) for abot $700, if you can find one, (thats AU) But Amd 2700 is a good choice, its got the barton core and is cheap. A mobo, well go for an nforce chipset, and a mobo that can support single and dual channel ram slots, so that way, if you don't have the cash, can get one stick then another later, just as long as they are the same. Then choice your extras, sound network, graphics, SATA. Have fun. My board of choice, well, i like soltek, cheap boards that fly. Good value.

[SupaFly-TNT]

I just upgraded so i can give ya some of my insight..i have a AMD 2800XP BARTON with an Abit NF7 Version 2.0 mobo.

Overall this setup is great, no hiccups and no probs, I have however used AMD since my K6-II and am not very up on what intels doing nowa days.

The 2500+ chips are a great value for the money because they can be overclocked relatively easy, especially with the Abit board, it is made for overclocking.

There are also two versions of these processors, there is a Barton barton core is clocked slower but has more cache which makes up for the slightly lower clock speed. The thoroughbred is clocked faster but with less cache. It's really up to the user which they prefer, i liked the extra cache personally.

A note with the Abit board, the nforce drivers for IDE are definitely buggy so be warned and Id advise you check the installation order on some other sites or ask on thsi board the install order so things work smoothly.

Good luck and have fun, at this point AMD def has the advantage even with the goofy performance specs they use. The point is AMD processors perform more with each cycle than intel chips do, so in theory if AMD was clocked the same speed as a 3.0 intel it should highly outperform it.

[Lost Soul]

i recommend amd, the price is better and you can get just as much enjoyment out of it

[magicfly]

Great guys!!!
You are the best, a lot of answers...so i think i'll go for an AMD 2800xp+ with 512mb ram...just for having a quite good pc i don't have to change so often...

I'll let you know when i'll have bought that....maybe i can try an unantended installation of XP...that's the right time to test that cd

THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYBODY and other suggests are very welcome

[ggtyh]

I'd go to with an Athlon 2500+ with 512 kB of cache. Cheap and fast.

AMD CPUs are as cheaper than any Intel at the same frequency, and socket A mobos are cheaper than socket 478 mobos.

And since you are a student, you should wiseley spend all your dollars in your pocket.

Go AMD, you won't be deceived.

(Just notice everyone's specs on this board, you'll notice that roughly 60% of the people use AMD products)

[prathapml]

Go for an nForce2-chipset based Motherboard (preferably one with integrated graphics). The chipset itself is lovely and gives top performance and integrates 5.1 channel surround sound. And the integrated graphics are equal to a GeForce 4 MX440 with 128 MB VRAM - quite good for today's games.

As for the question, "Tomorrow's Games ?" you shouldn't really be asking that for a mid-end PC - no Graphics Card is ever enough to plan for tomorrow's games.
In any case, the nForce2 (even with integrated graphics) gives an 8X-AGP slot and support for DDR400 RAM, so you can always upgrade to a GeForce 6 (or whatever) a year from now, when your integrated graphics starts to feel inadequate.

If you are going with AMD, choose a motherboard from Asus or MSI.
I own an MSI K7N2G-ILSR since 3 months and am very happy with it.


Cheers !!!

[ggtyh]

prathapml, on Jan 6 2004, 07:35 PM, said:

If you are going with AMD, choose a motherboard from Asus or MSI.
I own an MSI K7N2G-ILSR since 3 months and am very happy with it.

Asus and MSI are not the only mobos makers.

MSI are awesome, and Asus are really really good either, but there is some companies like Chaintech, Gigabyte, ECS, Albatron, Soltek, DFI, Abit, Epox and Soyo that do good very good mobos too, and sometimes with more features and/or better price.

I use to read http://www.8dimensional.com/ to know how performs mobos and video cards. It's a repertory of benchmarks and reviews. Quite interesting...

And I've been using a Gigabyte mobo for the last year. Quite stable, lots of feature for a very good price. Not a good overclocker, but still good nevertheless.

[magicfly]

I had and have now an ati sapphire 9000 pro..so i thought.... is better to buy a mobo without videoboard and keep the one i have or buying a mobo with video integrated?
My ATI 9000 pro is quite good to play or you (experts you are ) think it's better to change with an nforce2 integrated in asus mobo?

[SupaFly-TNT]

Abit NF7-S which comes with no video on board is an amazing board (The one im running). Definitely a good choice as far as price/performance, and if you do decide to go with the 2500+ u can OC very easily. Asus is very expensive and frankly overpriced as they always have been. I moved from asus after my A7A266 which was a great board, but the price/performance isn't there like it used to be.

Abit, Gigabyte, MSI are all big players now. Soyo kinda fell off and shuttles on the way up.

[qweck]

I do have an AMD 2500+ it's a perfect processor and the best thing about de AMD's with the Barton core is that you can overclock the processor only by changing the clock frequency of the processor in the bios of your motherboard.

There's no doubt take the AMD with a barton core!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!