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Posted 13 January 2004 - 04:54 PM
What i mean by final stage is when everything is done isntalling and XP is restart for the last time. Done install. Reboot after hotfix's and so on are installed.
What I mean by normal SATA cd is not hotfix's, just sp1a and sata drivers.
And from what I can tell it works fine in VPC. But not doing a install without VPC.
I added the files you requested.
Tho I thought I was the only one with this problem. I haven't looked into it yet, been playing games all day long.
If you can find anything great, if not don't worry about it, I'm going to look into it more later on tonight and tomorrow. Time to get the brain working again. And maybe a few good Green ones to help pass the time.
Posted 13 January 2004 - 05:24 PM
OK, got the files, you can pull 'em. I'll probably look tomorrow. Thanks.
Posted 13 January 2004 - 08:12 PM
I post about it because I saw people that is having problems with local versions of win xp, I think is best to install it in english and then install the MUI and can get english updates easier and faster
@Johnny B. GooD:
I guess easy is in the eyes of the beholder. I find the whole MUI thing far from simple, and have no plans to do anything with it at this time. Furthermore, most of the people here have no need for multilingual systems. That is really for a corporate scenario, and does not come without cost, in hardware, in software, and in administration. I would trust that the multinational organizatins that have a true need for this have have already found their own solution ...
In any event, if you care to add an MUI to your installation, the MS site has an example of doing so here, in the Unattended section: Installing MUIs
If you do give it a go, let us know how you get on.
You can delete the whole I386\LANG directory, unless you a using some far eastern language. Also the migrate and update directories can go if you are only doing clean installs. I don't remember what else, but it is covered in some of the older threads.
I will try to put the MUI in the \$OEM$\$1\Install dir, it's the best way I think.
Posted 13 January 2004 - 08:16 PM
I'm trying to work out itegrating SATA/RAID drivers, so if there is anyone out there who can test a physical installation, give a holler or PM me with your SATA/RAID info.
@Johnny B. GooD: No problem, and your input is welcome. Personally, I use English with no MUI, and make the others do the same. And I'm in a very non-English country ... That MUI isn't that simple, and it isn't free, either, that's all I meant.
Posted 14 January 2004 - 12:47 AM
Is there a way to edit the RunOnceEx windows that pops up, like make it 2 columns or anything like that? With all my apps, the list down past the bottom of my screen.
Posted 14 January 2004 - 02:27 AM
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Posted 14 January 2004 - 05:47 AM
GM@ Thanks again about perfect programm and time saver!
I made win2000 disc with XC, added ie6sp1
- only difference to xp.
there was only one problem. I installed ie from cmdlines, then pached it.
after first restart there is "windows setup" - starting services, cleanup, etc. and after that nothing happened... windows did not hang, neither started.
I could run Task manager and then "new task" - explorer - and everything goes fine. Just litlle bit vierd...
edit: there is one more issue - flash didn't install.
Posted 14 January 2004 - 02:13 PM
I like to know what are French + Hebrew files inside i386\LANG or where to find the info.
You can delete the whole I386\LANG directory, unless you a using some far eastern language. Also the migrate and update directories can go if you are only doing clean installs. I don't remember what else, but it is covered in some of the older threads
Tnx for this utility very usefuul. Unfortunatelly, it's not solving my "languages problem".
Information on folders, drivers, components that can be removed safely can be found HERE. I used this method, although not all the items suggested were removed
Posted 14 January 2004 - 06:08 PM
Looks like I found the problem with my CD. It seems that my copy of XP got messed up some how on my HD. Did it from a fresh install and it doesn't seem to have the problems right now as of before. But I'm still in the testing stages to see what is happening.
Trying to find out what caused the problem in the first place. From what I can tell mup.sys may have been the problem or a file that was loaded after that. But was unable to read or pause the BSOD error to find out what file was causing it.
I still have the CD's on hand that I made that had those errors I'll start to look more into it when I can find out how to change windows XP from restarting right after a BSOD happens during the boot-up.
Before I get a bunch of message on how to fix this, I know how to do it in windows. I'm unable to boot up at all. This includes Command prompt and any other ways of going about it. (Thanks MS for making an OS you can not boot into a command shell without loading all of your &#%^)
If you have found any other info GM pass it along to me and I'll keep you informed with how I'm doing with this bug I ran into. I'm 90% sure it was my fault and not the program. But I would like to find out what caused it. And find a work around.
Reading up on how to install a certain language durning the install of XP. MS is giving me the run around right now, but sure I'll find something that will help you out.
Wish I still had a Subscription to MS technet but have better uses for $600/year.
100 DVD's full of all the MS infromation you want. Would be in heaven.
Posted 14 January 2004 - 09:16 PM
Just use links to download them. I have used this conf in last installation and worked like a dream. I have highlighted stuff in TXTSETUP.sif (*************************************************) so you can see what and where I have added. I use onboard Silicon Image controller (Asus A7n8x-D). If this of any help I didnt slipstream SP1a but instead i used CD that i have slipstreamed manually long ago. Also I didnt use ISO image created by XC but instead i created Boot CD and pointion to file in the boot folder.SATA driver
Please post your SATA files and WINNT.SIF and TXTSETUP.SIF and a link to your drivers (or the drivers themselves), and I can look into it.
Also, what do you mean final reboot? After counting down from 39 - 0, or after a boot into the GUI to install the last programs that could not be done during setup?
What is a "normal" SATA boot CD?
Unfortunatly, you are not the only one with these symptoms ... Does the CD work in VPC (without SATA drivers, of course) or does it BSOD there as well?
Let me know ...
Perhaps you could post the files you modified to make you SATA work? WINNT.SIF, TXTSETUP.SIF, what ever your used? Thanks!
Hope it helps.
Posted 15 January 2004 - 01:01 AM
You can get the RAID "F6" Disk from Intel at:
That should include the necessary SYS, CAT, INF, and OEM setup files.
Adding it to TXTSETUP.SIF for text mode is straightforward, but I've attached the file for you. It assumes you've compressed the SYS file into i386 (as IASTOR.SY_). I also edited DOSNET.INF, but I'm assuming that's not actually required from the other posts on the thread.
Doing this gets you past text mode, past all the GUI mode T-x configuration stage... then on the next boot you'd get the "Windows XP" splash. At that point it dies abruptly without any logs of what went wrong (AFAIK). It appears the driver is installed into "\Windows\System32\Driver Cache", so it could work if properly used.
Here's some of the things I've tried/noted (FYI):
- The install does not work on CD, but would work fine off a network or from a FAT C:\ drive (assuming you put $OEM$ under i386 in this case). You can also get it to work from a DOS Bootable CD if you format the HD as FAT32. I've seen all three these methods work, just not direct CD boot.
- After slipstreaming and using $OEM$ my Intel F6 disk won't even work correctly so there's no way to install RAID on an OEM bootable AFAIK. The disk will install the driver for textmode, but fail to copy it to disk for GUI mode. This is a hint that something is special about OEM.
- Adding the driver to DRIVER.CAB and pushing the security file into SVCPACK causes the T-x mode to complain about "empty security catalog". Editing LAYOUT.SIF to include the Intel SATA driver causes lots of sanity checks to abort the install even if I get the filesize and flags right.
- There's special meanings for the disk lines of the TXTSETUP.OEM file, and I think the $tagid$ part may be important. NTFS needs \, DOS needs ., "" works for many things, etc. It may be a matter of altering the label and path to make it go to the right volume&path.
- I'm told there is no way (short of WinPE) to get the RAID controller installed on an OEM XP CD. I, however, suspect that editing the right files could make it happen.
You'll note that everyone who gets this to work does it from a network or alternative boot method. I'd very much like it to work from standard XP boot, so I can partition as NTFS myself.
Posted 15 January 2004 - 06:48 AM
I was at a friend's place yesterday, decided to test XPCREATE there to see if it was just my comp that sucked.
Unfortunately, it's not my comp.
Again, one more failed XPCREATE
I think I'm the token "Nothing works for me" guy.
Oh well... *wanders off to make one manually to see if THAT stuffs up too*
Posted 15 January 2004 - 08:41 AM
I'll get back to you all later today ... just a quick note to anyone who can help me test the SATA/RAID stuff: If you could first make an XPCREATE CD that works with your SATA/RAID drivers using F6 (Sorry, Wraith, this one's not for you ... ) so I can debug one thing at a time. I'll PM you later ...
(Hate nothing but hatred itself! You are forgiven, Wraith!)
Posted 15 January 2004 - 01:11 PM
Found the problem. What's happening is after the reboot from XP installation Shell, Windows loads up and you select your user account and so on. At this sage Other hot fix's start to install, but XP wants to install drivers for parts of the hardware it didn't install in the first place. When the hotfix'a and updates are done they force the computer to restart. No command promt so I'm unable to stop it so far, when it restarts XP isn't done install those drivers it wants to and damages the files.
I've tried it 3 times and watch it very closely. And this is what is happening.
As well durning this process one of the updates is unable to fully install because of the temp files are getting cleared some how and are being lost. I assume this is XP doing this durning some of he drivers being install.
I've done this in MS VPC to see what is trully happening durning it all. If I do it without an VPC XP will not start at all but get the BSOD, when in VPC it still loads but after the login screen you get nothing at all. But XP is trying to reinstall vitual Kernel drivers that where damaged durning the main install.
Going to keep on looking into it. I have a full working copy and I'm compairing the two with all modifed files to see what could be causing XP to install with problems. From what I can see so far is when XPcreate was checking the cab's and making the updates it made a few changes to some things that shouldn't have been changed.
My working CD doesn't have any of the Updates or cab files changed or checked. Only the SATA and Hotfix's are install on it. My testing copy has everything enabled by XPcreate and that's the one that get's damaged each time.
Posted 15 January 2004 - 02:12 PM
This may explain some other people's problems. I found that the default time was way too short for me also, but I knew to fix it and go on.
Posted 15 January 2004 - 02:17 PM
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Posted 15 January 2004 - 03:51 PM
:jump: LOL :jump:
Let us know, GreenMachine has a watercooled Pentium V (Alpha Test) overclocked to 7 Ghz and all his installs complete in less than 4 minutes. 15 seconds before the reboot actually slows him down!
He's been rather quiet recently, wonder whats he up to?
Posted 15 January 2004 - 05:22 PM
Posted 15 January 2004 - 07:34 PM
I would hardly call XPCREATE a perfect program after reading about your 2000 installation that did not boot correctly ... In all truth, I have done VERY limited testing in WIN2K. I have tried to keep the program generic to handle both XP and 2K, but as I only have been testing XP, there are certainly still some errors ... I would be interested to know if you have the same problems without IE6. Do any hotfixes get slipstreamed? Does SVCPACK run OK? What DOES work? I am not surpised that flash does not install: that may very well be XP specific.
I really do not know enough about the language files. My job is making the Distribution bigger. jdeboeck is responsible for making them smaller.
Looks like you are on the right track. You could simply set to "No Reboot", and see how that helps. I guess you don't have a Pentium V ...
That is about the same way I put the SATA drivers in. Are you configured as RAID?
Thanks for the offer and the detailed description of what you've already endured! I sent you an email via the MSFN link. Let me know if you did not get it.
There you go, hacking my files again. Good thing I made an INI, or it would be the script that would get it! There is an option in the menu somewhere to set the timeout for reboot, and turn it off completly. If I could do 4 minute installs that beer bill could be cut dramatically! Thanks for the tips: you have a lot more experience using these CDs that I!
@shareef59 & mdes:
Just because I turn my back a while, you guys gotta pick on me, too?!
I've been off looking into the SATA drivers thing, as well as some of the stumbling blocks that people seem to be having. I have the SATA integration to the point where XPCREATE can create a CD that will install on my box with no F6 and no floppy. As that is the only hardware I can test, it is difficult to consider my results conclusive. I have tested on my SI3112 SATALink PCI card, with an existing NTFS partition on the SATA disk. I have not tested on a "clean" disk. I'm a little wary about it, because the final solution was so much more simple than some of the horror stories I have beeen reading, but it does work fine for me.
I have also tried to come up with a few set of parameters that may help some issues: repacking the CABS or not, running a GUI RunOnce installation and a few more slipstreaming options. This will help me in pinpointing conflicts and problems.
Hopefully I will be able to test a few more configurations this weekend, and when I have figured out the SATA stuff, I'll post the updated version.
Posted 15 January 2004 - 09:32 PM
Yeah don't have a Penitum V as of yet, but when they come out this year, I'll be at my local store grabing one to give it a try. I hope they come out this year. Intel said they were, but they may push it another year. But wrong thread to be talking about them here.
Finished making that ISO. Going to give it a try in a bit, See what happens this time. Been busy with Longhorn(SHHH) . Got the copy off my friend that works for the goverment. He got the PDC version. Wanted me to give it a try. And have to take a look into W2003 this weekend. God I love government workers get all this free stuff to try out and pass it along to me to see how far I can push it.
In regards to SATA I'm still looking into the code as well for the installation of it. That number system MS put into the txtsetup.sif. If it really doesn't mater to much about the code it will make it much simpler for you. Seeing if my friend in the government can get any info for me from MS. Going to give my friends copy of PE that he's not using a try as well and see if there is any info in there help files about it. But don't think it will.
If anyone on this thread knows about what code I'm talking about and knows all the info about it, please pass it along. Would like to fully understand it.
Looks like another long night. And I'm out of beer.
Posted 15 January 2004 - 10:01 PM
Yes I use SATA RAID 0.
Posted 16 January 2004 - 03:28 AM
EDIT: Tried from a scratchbut no luck. Can't download hotfixes.
Posted 16 January 2004 - 07:46 AM
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