[cluberti]

arctirus, on May 2 2009, 08:23 PM, said:

Kelsenellenelvian, on May 1 2009, 11:41 PM, said:

arctirus, on May 1 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

Kelsenellenelvian, on May 1 2009, 08:32 AM, said:

Unless you downloaded it from MSDN itself you have gotten warez!

If he owns a vista license it's not warez no matter where he gets the actual installation media from.

This has been argued OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN! ANY source but MS or an official distributer is illegal, even if it is only a OS disk! Thats like saying "I still have my keys from that Jaguar I wrecked, maybe I'll just go use his." It's people like you and attitudes like yours that is the reason the vLite and nLite are so close to being shut down...

I'm sorry but you're just an id***.

Warned for violation of rule 7, both parts. Also, Microsoft *does not* permit redistribution of their code, compiled or otherwise (ask the autopatcher folks what happened to them when they redistributed PUBLIC hotfixes). So, Kels is correct, it *is* actually "illegal" in most counties to get your Windows source from anyone other than Microsoft or an authorized distributor. Regardless of how you feel about it, it doesn't change the fact that getting a Vista ISO from, say, a torrent is not a legal way to acquire media. Noting you post from the US, assuming you're a resident, it is illegal in your country of origin to do such a thing, for what it's worth.

Visit the Microsoft piracy pages if you want more information on how Microsoft feels about unauthorized copies of Microsoft software. Again, I'm not saying don't use torrents, etc, as I can't police the internet (nor would I want to), but I am saying that treating it like it's legal seems like an effort to convince yourself that what you're doing isn't wrong, rather than basing your opinion on reality (Microsoft cracks down on unauthorized distributors all the time).

[hclarkjr]

this whole issue would be mute if MS would allow people who have paid their over inflated price for the right to use their software would be allowed to download updated image files with the service packs integrated. the idea of every time you reformat to have to go through the process of installing say the original vista DVD then SP1 and then SP2 then install all your drivers and programs is a joke. i paid $170 for my vista ultimate retail full version, which with what they charge at places like best buy and so forth is a "DEAL". sure i have downloaded from "other sources" other than MS but if they want to come see that i have the original case with the key, let them. i doubt there is enough jail space for all the people that do this.

[cluberti]

hclarkjr, on May 17 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

this whole issue would be mute if MS would allow people who have paid their over inflated price for the right to use their software would be allowed to download updated image files with the service packs integrated. the idea of every time you reformat to have to go through the process of installing say the original vista DVD then SP1 and then SP2 then install all your drivers and programs is a joke. i paid $170 for my vista ultimate retail full version, which with what they charge at places like best buy and so forth is a "DEAL". sure i have downloaded from "other sources" other than MS but if they want to come see that i have the original case with the key, let them. i doubt there is enough jail space for all the people that do this.

First, it's "moot", not "mute", but simple semantics aside, you wouldn't be jailed. Just fined, heavily. You must understand that the source code (and technically, even the CD or DVD media the source is imprinted on) is protected by US copyright law. You're given the right to make a backup copy (1) of the original source media for use by YOU, and you only (whether that be you as a person or you as a corporation or company entity) by law, but after that any copies are illegal as per the copyright on Microsoft software distributed in the US. Meaning that either the making of a copy to be distributed, or the acquisition of said copy, both are illegal under US copyright law and both are subject to fines and/or imprisonment.

Also, making an SP1 or SP2-integrated installation source is really pretty easy, and takes maybe an hour or two - probably quicker than the time it would take to download a copy from a torrent, likely.

[hclarkjr]

i disagree, if you are referring to this http://www.winbeta.o...catid=1&id=9536 that would take more time than you are saying. i am not breaking any copyright laws by making a vlited image that i intend to use for myself. the way you are wording things you are making it sound like i am uploading the images to torrents or something. i can assure you that is not the case. i doubt i would be fined for using it for my own use either.

[cluberti]

hclarkjr, on May 18 2009, 05:41 PM, said:

i disagree, if you are referring to this http://www.winbeta.o...catid=1&id=9536 that would take more time than you are saying.

I've done it myself, it took me ~1 hour to create the VM, install Vista, install SP2, run compcln.exe, and imagex the partition after reboot. Just over an hour, is all it took. It was a mid-range Dell, nothing fancy.

hclarkjr, on May 18 2009, 05:41 PM, said:

i am not breaking any copyright laws by making a vlited image that i intend to use for myself. the way you are wording things you are making it sound like i am uploading the images to torrents or something. i can assure you that is not the case. i doubt i would be fined for using it for my own use either.

I'm just using your own words:

hclarkjr, on May 17 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

sure i have downloaded from "other sources" other than MS but if they want to come see that i have the original case with the key, let them. i doubt there is enough jail space for all the people that do this.

"sure I have downloaded from 'other sources' other than MS". That's copyright infringement in the United States, and that's what I was refering to.

[Kelsenellenelvian]

hclarkjr, on May 18 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

the way you are wording things you are making it sound like i am uploading the images to torrents or something.

ANYTIME you download a torrent you are sharing and spreading the image. You have no clue how torrents work.

Trust me I have been busted for torrenting in the past. Actuall men with badges and all that!

[BlueRay1]

Dear folks,

I red the tutorial for reverse integration several times. Every try following the describtion results in the same error. At last I did'nt test with SP0+SP1+SP2 nor SP0+SP1. I only tested with VistaSP0 unmodified.

1.) I installed VistaSP0
2.) entered audit mode
3.) changed nothing and shutdown with generalize
4.) boot my WinPE liveDVD
5.) use imagex exactly as described (wait 1 hour)
6.) replaced original install.wim of purchased DVD
7.) started vlite to make an ISO
8.) ERROR: the input string has invalid format
9.) alternatively tried OSCDIMG
10.) booted VMWare with virtual iso
11.) ERROR: image mount error the system cannot find the file specified 0x80070020
(I don't know the exact english error phrases, because I use vlite+Vista in german)

@MagicAndre1981:
Hi MagicAndre1981.
Da du als sehr kompetenter und zuverlässiger deutscher vlite Nutzer gehandelt wirst, möchte ich dir gern die deutschen Fehlermeldungen schreiben. vlite=Die Eingabezeichenfolge hat das falsche format.
VistaSetup=Windows kann die Datei nicht öffnen, prüfen sie ob alle erforderlichen Dateien verfügbar sind Code 0x80070020.

Is it importend or obsolete if I use imagex.exe from Waik 1.0 ~700MB or WaikSP1 1.1 ~1300MB?

Can anyone explain what I'm doing wrong?
I thank you for any response.
Bye
Thomas

[MagicAndre1981]

Hi Thomas,

yes it is better to use the ImageX from WAIK 1.1! Have you specified the Vista Edition with the /flags parameter?

André

[Kelsenellenelvian]

You HAVE to integrate SP1 then SP2. Vista is just like this (MS pulled a real boner with this one) with previous OS's the service pack were ALWAYS cummunalative. Not so anymore. SP2 depends on SP1.

[BlueRay1]

Dear folks,

thank you for the fast reply.

My first tests were...
VistaSp0-Audit Mode-SP1-reboot-SP2-reboot-generalize (RTM from 28.Apr.2009)

Because this results in the error, my second tries were...
VistaSp0-Audit mode-SP1-reboot-generalize
Even the same error...

The show must go on, so I installed...
VistaSP0-Audit Mode-NO CHANGES!-generalize
After that I used the command...
imagex.exe /compress maximum /flags "HomePremium" ......... "Windows Vista HomePremium"

Consider, there was nothing changed on my last try but the error is the same if I would do so.
I forgot to mention that the command imagex.exe -info....... results in the same overview my
original purchased install.wim results in.

vLite 1.2 can open my original VistaSp0 without any errors, but not the "homemade" version
I have no further idea.

@MagicAndre1981
Hi MagicAndre1981,
was ist in vLite mit Eingabezeichenfolge gemeint? Gehe ich zu den Fehlerdetails erscheinen einige Compiler Parameter $String... u.s.w. Da hört es bei mir leider auf.

Best regards
Thomas

[MagicAndre1981]

Could you please make a picture of the Error and copy all the details and paste them here when you try to use vLite?

[BlueRay1]

Hi fellows,
dear MagivAndre1981,

of course, I will test the imagex.exe from WAIK1.0 and WAIK1.1 today evening and post it to you tomorrow. I know from several slipstream/integration guides that guiImagex-Frontend also compresses wrong *.wim's. Maybe the imagex.exe version ist the solution.

see you tomorrow
Bye
Thomas

[BlueRay1]

Hi fellows,

as I promised here are the attached pics and logs.
The change from waik1.0 imagex.exe v.11.2006
to the waiksp1.1 imagex.exe v08.2008 does'nt
help - same errors.

I dont know what i'm doing wrong.
It can't be as tricky as it is on my pc
because MS uses the same way and
recommends it for home users too.

I know the competitor vlite is'nt loved
in Redmond

Hope smebody can help me.
Bye
Thomas

Attached File(s)

•  vLite12load.jpg (66.04K)
  Number of downloads: 19
•  ImageXcmd.jpg (57.92K)
  Number of downloads: 13
•  vLite12Error.txt (4.53K)
  Number of downloads: 4

[cluberti]

This almost seems like a culture conversion problem rather than an actual integer parsing problem (a quick google search for this error turns up issues with English-written C# code on non-English Windows builds of Windows and/or .net and this error with this exact stack).

[MagicAndre1981]

hmm, try to install .net 3.5 Sp1 (which installs .net 2.0 and 3.0 SP2) and try to rerun vLite. Perhaps this is a .net bug.

[BlueRay1]

Hi you all,

now, I would like to report you of my big surprise yesterday evening. After submitting my last reply to you I gave the vista setup one last chance.

Surprise: it installs flawless!!!!! This was my intension to download another sliptream/integrate tool - the VUI 1.0beta5. http://www.winvistaside.de/downloads/syste...-integrator-47/

This tool runs/loads flassless too. So I can send you the following matrix of tests.

ImageX imageX imageX
Version Waik1.0 Waik1.1
vLite 1.2 -------- --------
VUI 1.0b5 XXXX XXXXX
VistaInst -------- XXXXX

Relating the VistaSetup is behaves like described in the 7th post on this website.
http://apcmag.com/how_to_slipstream_vista_...install_dvd.htm

Relating the vlite problem I only have one idea and will test it today. Your hint with the english vista/.NET could be the reason. I have to explain that all my done splipstream/integration work is to replace my preinstalled HP-Pavilion OEM Recovery Vista Version. I hate the Crapware and the missing hotfixes/ patches. Of course I execute vlite on that system. Maybe it was an english one with only an german sliptreamed language pack??? So I will run vlite on my new SP2 partition loading the install.wim.

The new installed vista shows SP2-Version in system but does'nt do that in add/remove. Is this because I run the vsp1cln.exe and compcln.exe after installing SP's and before generalize???? I red uninstalling is unavailabe then.

Bye + you are the best
Thomas

[cluberti]

BlueRay1, on May 20 2009, 03:13 AM, said:

The new installed vista shows SP2-Version in system but does'nt do that in add/remove. Is this because I run the vsp1cln.exe and compcln.exe after installing SP's and before generalize???? I red uninstalling is unavailabe then.

Yes, this is why - you make it permanent after you run those tools, removing the uninstall files, the previous SP's files, and any restore points the installer created during SP setup.

[erpdude8]

Kelsenellenelvian, on May 18 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

hclarkjr, on May 18 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

the way you are wording things you are making it sound like i am uploading the images to torrents or something.

ANYTIME you download a torrent you are sharing and spreading the image. You have no clue how torrents work.

Trust me I have been busted for torrenting in the past. Actuall men with badges and all that!

and sometimes torrents can have unwanted malware/spyware/viruses in them which makes them more risky

BTW - I looked at the posts at the bottom of this page:
http://technet.micro...y/dd335036.aspx
Vista SP2 will be posted at Windows Update and at the Microsoft Download Center on May 26.

[BlueRay1]

Dear fellows,

I did my final tests with my reverse slipstreamed SP2 and vlite. Because vlite would'nt load the *.wim on my 1st preinstalled HP-OEM system, I promised to test on the running SP2 system.

The problem is the same. But this system IS a german one, with german WAIK+wimfltr.inf, with german .NET and german vlite. So I don't know where the language conversion error relates on.

Is there any possibility to do the extraction of unwanted applications anyway else? How/what does vlite do to remove some stuff?

Best regards
Thomas

[erpdude8]

The Vista SP2 final downloads are now available (including the SP2 DVD ISO image) from Microsoft Download Center.
Check out the New Downloads section of the Microsoft Download Center. Vista SP2 should also be available at Microsoft Update/Windows Update shortly.

This post has been edited by erpdude8: 26 May 2009 - 06:04 AM