[BenoitRen]

The Mozilla Add-ons site has plenty of themes and extensions for Firefox. For SeaMonkey, I recommend this resource, maintained by yours truly.

[duffy98]

In case anyone might be interested I spent the week trying out several different browsers ... didn't care for Sea Monkey, FireFox and a few others ... decided K-Meleon v1.5.3 seem to work the best for me ... I had trouble customizing Sea Monkey, FireFox and the others to my liking ... having only used Internet Explorer versions since 1998 when I got my first computer ... I found it hard to adjust to Sea Monkey and FireFox but K-Meleon seem to be the best for me on that subject.
... it was easy for me to work with and get settings more to my liking and it does seem to be faster over the other browsers, at least it seemed that way to me, I'm not saying it is faster, might be my imagination. I still have some things that I have to work on but the K-Meleon setup I have running now will work for me, I hope to fine tune it a bit more.
I will say this, ... this might be helpful to someone like myself that has only used IE for most of the time. When I first tried K-Meleon early in the week .... it was after I had run IEradicator first to take IE 6 completely off my harddrive. I had a choice whether to leave the "IE shell" on or just take IE completely off. Wasn't sure what to do, so I took IE completely off ... seemed to be a mistake after I did that. Many things were messed up so I redid my computer ... I have a Ghost backup so it wasn't too bad to get things back to the way they were. Decided to try the other browsers but I left IE 6 on the computer ... Early this morning after trying out 2 more browsers I decided to put K-Meleon back on ... it seems to be the one for me, as herbalist said in an earlier post ...

"K-Meleon is an extremely configurable browser. If you like tweaking settings, it's got tweaks for everything. It has built in flash blocking, user agent spoofing, proxy switching, one click clearing of all usage records, and much more. A fair amount of what I had Proxomitron doing is built into K-Meleon. It takes a little more getting used to than SeaMonkey but it's more flexible."

.... yes, I have to work with it some more but I was able to get most of my settings the way I wanted them, compared to Sea Monkey and FireFox. That's just me probably ... others should try them anyway and decide what they might like.
I decided to post a follow up on what I decided on. I don't know what to do about IE 6 ... I am thinking of just leaving it on the computer as a back-up browser ... herbalist or anyone ... when using that IEradicator ... if I ran it and left the "IE shell" on the computer and not completely take IE 6 off, would that keep other programs OK? ... or should I just leave IE 6 sit on the computer??? ... thanks

This post has been edited by duffy98: 01 August 2009 - 10:00 AM

[Chozo4]

If at worst, it could be nothing more than an artificial 'block' of browser due to dropping support. Although I'm doubtful youtube would actually ban older browsers from viewing or using the site so, it's likely just a notice that rendering may not be as flawless as it used to be for incompatible browsers.

If anything you could always just spoof the version of your IE:
http://www.pctools.c...try/detail/799/

Had to do that very thing when looking something up for a friend. Apparently some sites have a huge vendetta against IE6/5/*insert older browser+version here* and force you to upgrade if you wish to even use their site. Speaking against 'older browsers' like it's ruining the world and is against all humanity (sounds like a religious cult). Yes, viewing their site with an older broser is indeed commiting murder on companies and other sites alike *facepalm*. Yet spoofing the user agent got through just fine (yet the site is 100% usable and perfectly rendered with even IE5.. -.-).

A perfect example would be 'Operation Spring Cleaning': http://windower.net/ie6.html / http://forums.windower.net/topic/14970-ope...bring-down-ie6/

This post has been edited by Chozo4: 01 August 2009 - 03:31 PM

[Multibooter]

duffy98, on Jul 25 2009, 05:07 AM, said:

We will be phasing out support for your browser soon.
Please upgrade to one of these more modern browsers.

Google Chrome ... Firefox 3.5 ... Internet Explorer 8

This warning is not at the YouTube front page anymore. Instead they have posted an advertisement for Google Chrome:  Youtube_ad.gif (2.26K)
Number of downloads: 1
"Try YouTube in a new web browser! Download Google Chrome"

Maybe the message about IE6 was just intended to make people download Google Chrome.

This post has been edited by Multibooter: 01 August 2009 - 06:40 PM

[Fredledingue]

There are very little CSS and even less Javascript code that woudln't work on IE6.
Saying that a website won't work is an overstatement. Perhaps it won't display perfectly but you still get the content.

[BenoitRen]

"Chozo4" said:

Apparently some sites have a huge vendetta against IE6/5/*insert older browser+version here* and force you to upgrade if you wish to even use their site. Speaking against 'older browsers' like it's ruining the world and is against all humanity (sounds like a religious cult). Yes, viewing their site with an older broser is indeed commiting murder on companies and other sites alike *facepalm*.

If you were in the web design business, you'd understand their rage. But they should never block anyone.

"Fredledingue" said:

There are very little CSS and even less Javascript code that woudln't work on IE6.

You are horribly wrong. Compare CSS support and DOM support between IE6 and other web browsers. If we look at just the summary, IE6 gets 51% for CSS2.1, while Firefox 3 gets 93%, and Opera 9 gets 94%. For DOM support, IE6 gets 50%, Firefox 2 gets 79% (FX3 is unknown), and Opera 9 gets 84%.

This post has been edited by BenoitRen: 02 August 2009 - 06:56 PM

[Chozo4]

BenoitRen, on Aug 2 2009, 08:49 PM, said:

"Chozo4" said:

Apparently some sites have a huge vendetta against IE6/5/*insert older browser+version here* and force you to upgrade if you wish to even use their site. Speaking against 'older browsers' like it's ruining the world and is against all humanity (sounds like a religious cult). Yes, viewing their site with an older broser is indeed commiting murder on companies and other sites alike *facepalm*.

If you were in the web design business, you'd understand their rage. But they should never block anyone.

Oh, I do understand their rage as I've made many efforts to support even IE3/NS4 in a couple projects of mine (not easy at times) but alot of it is biased. However, nothing stops them from just dropping support, putting a 'friendly' notice like YT or disclaimer that it won't render properly, and continue on supporting whatever browser they wish.

From what I know, the only reason they got such a vendetta (the aformentioned group) was due to a flaw in realplayers' activex control which was exploited by FF11 gold seller sites. An IE was most likely scapegoat in that matter (ala activex).

[PC_LOAD_LETTER]

I think you guys are missing the point of all this 'forced browser upgrade'. I doubt that youtube devs really care what version of browser you use but after a certain amout of time, it does not remain feasible to test on a browser used by such a certain percentage of users. At this point they are supporting (at least) IE7/8, Firefox 1-3.5(AFAIK), Chrome, Safari, Opera and minor offshoots of each.

ok lets split this up. according to W3^*, 14.9%, of that 14.9%(which sound high to me but it doesnt say how many of that 14.9% is to getfirefox.com ) How many users actually care that they are running IE6? How many of them even know what a browser is? If you could somehow round up every single one, offer them a 5$ if they could name the browser and version currently installed on their PC (hell offer them 1$ if they can name *A* browser) My guess if youd prolly still be able to make rent this month. Yes, everyone in this thread would get their hypothetical Abe Lincoln but how many others would even know how to change their browsers User Agent String if they attended a week long seminar "What your browsers UA says about you". My point is that i dont think Youtube thinks that EVERYONE using IE6 is computer ignorant but they know that the vast majority of them are and therefore will not upgrade unless they are 'forced' however the people in this thread impacted by this change will simply hack their UA and workaround any glitches.



^*Yes youtubes stats likely vary from w3 but its just a number for us to start with

[dencorso]

PC_LOAD_LETTER, on Aug 3 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

... however the people in this thread impacted by this change will simply hack their UA and workaround any glitches.

That's my opinion too.
Incidentally, I do like best my hacked user agent that says "Netscape 4.0 on CP/M-86 1.1"... too bad YouTube disagrees.

[Queue]

Just for future reference on the subject of browser share
http://en.wikipedia....of_web_browsers
is a very worthwhile resource, as it serves as an aggregate of all major browser share reporters (including W3C). It also has historic (pre-1999) data, which is interesting.

Additionally, 15% user share being attributed to IE6 is massive; only Firefox 3.0 (not 3.5) and IE7 are higher for given major browser version. That said, some sources still place IE6 as the version with the highest user share (at 27%).

Queue

This post has been edited by Queue: 03 August 2009 - 02:16 AM

[RetroOS]

The Market Share browser versions trends is showing that IE7 usage has dropped faster than IE6 since May leaving IE6 as the most common browser!?

Go figure (but I wouldn't take just one set of stats as final...)

This month, Internet Explorer 8 will be released to corporates (via Windows Server Update Services unless blocked), so I would expect IE8 usage to increase somewhat (albeit artificially induced).

[Jerry K]

Why don't you guys use Firefox 3.5 with KernelEx ?
It's faster and more comfortable than IE6 and it is still updated and therefore more secure.
I'm using it and it works just fine with Win 98 SE.

[BenoitRen]

Please note that W3Schools is not affiliated with the W3C.

[GrofLuigi]

Y'all can quote me:

User: "Where's my Internet gone"?

Me: "Thou shall not use that blue thingy on yer desktop any more, use the orange thingy".



GL

[cluberti]

The thing that scares me the most about Firefox is - what will happen when the browser does have the vast majority market share? It's not the most secure codebase, and like anything else it'll become a target. What then? Do we send folks to Safari or Chrome until they get dominant and start showing security weaknesses? Do we go back to IE <insert latest version here>? Just a thought.

[Dude112]

Are there any sites to see stats on which versions of each browser someone is using??

Would be neat........

[eidenk]

Jerry K, on Aug 3 2009, 04:24 AM, said:

Why don't you guys use Firefox 3.5 with KernelEx ?
It's faster and more comfortable than IE6 and it is still updated and therefore more secure.
I'm using it and it works just fine with Win 98 SE.

Well why don't you use Opera, which is a wonderful browser who natively suports all versions of Windows even in its superb and still beta tenth declination ?

[eidenk]

cluberti, on Aug 3 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

The thing that scares me the most about Firefox is - what will happen when the browser does have the vast majority market share? It's not the most secure codebase, and like anything else it'll become a target. What then? Do we send folks to Safari or Chrome until they get dominant and start showing security weaknesses? Do we go back to IE <insert latest version here>? Just a thought.

I think there is no secure browser. Even Opera is insecure considering it has been compromised twice on my machine since I started using it. In both cases code injection in the executable memory space and dumping of the image on disk in place of the original Opera I believe, and this through online exploits I have no clue what they were.

One of them was a viable Opera executable and Jetico intercepted it as its checksum had changed. The other was a newbie attempt it seems, leaving a screwed-up executable who would not run and which contained an Hello World string next to the name of a Code Project package dealing with direct code injection into executable memory space and whose name I have forgotten right now.

[Jerry K]

@ eidenk
I've been using Firefox since version 1.5 and I prefer to stick to my guns.
I tried Opera 9.64 and it didn't convince me at all. I prefer the variety of add-ons Firefox offers.
I like the possibility to customize my browser in a way that it has all the functions I need.

But the point is that whatever browser you use I think they all are better than IE6.

[PC_LOAD_LETTER]

cluberti, on Aug 3 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

The thing that scares me the most about Firefox is - what will happen when the browser does have the vast majority market share? It's not the most secure codebase, and like anything else it'll become a target. What then? Do we send folks to Safari or Chrome until they get dominant and start showing security weaknesses? Do we go back to IE <insert latest version here>? Just a thought.

I still dont think its possible for FF* to overtake IE* any measurable amount of time. IE will always control a majority of the market since it it the most configurable with GPo and the like which will always make it the bigger target.


Oh and under no circumstances will i ever send a user to Safari. Ive seen how that company addresses security problems (by pretending their arent any problems)