[doubleoseverin]

ok point taken, but as i say i have successfuly added the hard disk driver with the virtual floppy and setup is still in text mode when it requests this disk...

[ilko_t]

doubleoseverin, on Aug 31 2009, 08:02 AM, said:

No setup does not crash it just comes up requesting this disk. How do I provide a link to the drivers I integrated with n-lte?

Where did you download them from?
If they are on a CD you have, simply zip and upload them to www.datafilehost.com and provide download link.

doubleoseverin, on Aug 31 2009, 08:15 AM, said:

ok point taken, but as i say i have successfuly added the hard disk driver with the virtual floppy and setup is still in text mode when it requests this disk...

Simply forget that story about virtual floppy and providing drivers that way, at least until the drivers currently being developed and mentioned above reach some stable stage and their usage tested. Something which won't happen today, tomorrow or next Monday

[doubleoseverin]

There's got to be some solution to this problem! VMware? I am the newbie. Lead and i shall follow

[jaclaz]

doubleoseverin, on Aug 31 2009, 06:29 PM, said:

There's got to be some solution to this problem! VMware? I am the newbie. Lead and i shall follow

NO, NOT VMWARE!

The only known, working way, at the moment, is to integrate the proper Mass Storage driver in the Source.

Usually the Drivers Packs cover almost any hardware.

Which "netbook" is it?

EXACT model/make, please.

POSSIBLY a link to the manufacturer site's page(s) for the model.

Also check if by any chance you have a setting in BIOS like "IDE compatibility mode" or "ATAPI emulation" or something like that, or anything however connected to the HD controller

jaclaz

[ilko_t]

doubleoseverin, on Aug 31 2009, 08:29 AM, said:

There's got to be some solution to this problem! VMware? I am the newbie. Lead and i shall follow

Why do you keep insisting on some "virtual" way of providing drivers?! You have been told already many times- there is no such thing.

There are proper solutions to the problem:

1) Providing drivers via floppy, that includes USB one.
2) Manually integrating the proper drivers into the source:
http://unattended.ms...xp/view/web/36/
3) Integrating the drivers using nLite
4) Integrating a bunch of mass storage drivers (BTS driver pack for example) and hoping your hardware is among the supported ones. If not- post to the support forum providing details. Most likely they will be included in the next release and you would also help other guys with the same problem:
http://forum.driverpacks.net/

[doubleoseverin]

uploaded the files that came on the cd. The link is http://www.datafileh...d-fa446a06.html

[doubleoseverin]

Ok completely understood. Virtual shinanigans completely dropped. As to the make and model, well there aren't any physical markings apart from the letters QZD and the manual that came with it says M900-7. The display card type is a Z9S 2D graphic accelerator, with a 800 * 480 LCD (TFT) 7" display. The CPU is an RDC PDX600 800MHZ. There's no more I can really tell other than it appears to have come from china. I'll give the dealers a call and see if they can be any more specific, if you want and that helps. Sorry I've annoyed some of you guys. I must admit I am making a meal of this. I'll have a look into the BIOS after I've walked the dog. Cheers...

[wimb]

You should have used in DPsBASE the slipstream method2 (default) and only DriverPack Massstorage with TXT Mode Enabled as first approach. Later you can add more DriverPacks.


Another approach if you have specific MassStorage Driver:

From http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=5306

Quote

TEXTMODE Drivers defined in winnt.sif and located in $OEM$\TEXTMODE folder of the XP Source
can be used instead of using F6 floppy for MassStorage Drivers.
The content of the $OEM$\TEXTMODE folder is copied by USB_XP_Setup.exe to XP Setup BootFolder $WIN_NT$.~BT\$OEM$
See cdob and allanf in http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...5306&st=180

This post has been edited by wimb: 31 August 2009 - 11:38 AM

[jaclaz]

doubleoseverin, on Aug 31 2009, 07:08 PM, said:

well there aren't any physical markings apart from the letters QZD and the manual that came with it says M900-7.

The only M900-7 I can find is this one:
http://okfan.en.alibaba.com/product/226517...ailpageLocation
but the specs seem like different. , maybe it's an old model of the same?

The RDC site (makers of the HD controller) seems like offline.

QZD is another factory in Shenzhen:
http://qzd.en.alibaba.com/
See if you can spot your laptop among these:
http://qzd.en.alibaba.com/productgrouplist...pc_Netbook.html


jaclaz

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 31 August 2009 - 12:02 PM

[cdob]

The winner is grub4dos, no addional driver required.

fujianabc described virtual floppy usage http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...ost&p=77011

A VMware SCSI example:

title Install XP, load VMWARE disk drivers
map --mem /VMSCSI.IMG (fd1)
map --mem (md)0x6000+800 (fd0)
map --hook
dd if=(fd1) of=(fd0) count=1
chainloader /SETUPLDR.BIN

VMSCSI.IMG contain files txtsetup.oem and relating files, that's at given example disk.tag, vmscsi.cat,vmscsi.inf and vmscsi.sys.

At windwos boot do NOT select F6, setup load the files by default.

[jaclaz]

cdob, on Sep 4 2009, 08:23 PM, said:

The winner is grub4dos, no addional driver required.

fujianabc described virtual floppy usage http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...ost&p=77011

Being proved wrong after only 5 days:

cdob, on Aug 29 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

You may use grub4dos to load virtual floppy to RAM.
Textmode part does find the file and use them.
However windows setup copy part won't find the files using windows drivers.

I don't known a virtual floppy available at windwos setup.

definitely beats the Absolutely Unofficial Record I held before :
http://home.graffiti.net/jaclaz:graffiti.n...SB/USBfaqs.html
if I remember correctly it took Dietmar a few weeks time to prove me wrong......



jaclaz

P.S.:BTW, it seems like doubleoseverin is a really lucky guy

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 05 September 2009 - 03:01 AM

[cdob]

jaclaz, on Sep 4 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

Being proved wrong after only 5 days:

It's more than 5 days, more several years, actually since d4vr0s's message http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=20543

And real worse

myself said:

I strongly doubt virtual F6 floppy solution for a XP installation.

http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?s=&...st&p=152244

I prefer to learn to correct false knowledge.

I just installed XP from a RAM loaded image. A default XP ISO image was used.
Addional files are at a F6 virtual floppy.

[cdob]

At second glance, setup dosn't support this kind of virtual floppy fully.
Read: the virtual floppy is processed automatic, you can't use F6.
Setup dosn't find the virtual floppy.

You have to adjust txtsetup.oem [Defaults] SCSI entry.
http://msdn.microsof...y/ms794593.aspx

And there are drivers pair http://http.download.nvidia.com/Windows/nF...Shield_UGv5.pdf
This requires to load two drivers
"NVIDIA RAID CLASS DRIVER (required)"
"NVIDIA NForce Storage Controller (required)"


The question is open still: how to use a full supported F6 virtual floppy?

[jaclaz]

If I get it right, it means that fujianabc's method only works for a "single" driver.

Maybe I read "wrongly" your previous reports, but it seemed to me that the point was (re-connecting with d4vr0s' original post/thread) that the grub4dos "normal" mapping to (fdx) of a file was:

• available during text setup (and should have "full" F6 floppy access)
  
• missing/failing in GUI mode

Wouldn't that mean that by adding in the floppy also the firadisk driver and adding to the BOOT.INI the parameters karyonix posted:
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...=8804&st=64

the floppy should be:

• "full" F6 accessible during textmode part (mapped by grub4dos)
  
• "full" F6 accesd during GUI part (mapped by firadisk)

So, we would have a "simple" way for "single" drivers and a "complex" way for "multiple" drivers.
My guess is, that even if still experimental, firadisk is working allright in current releases for a floppy loading.

jaclaz

[cdob]

jaclaz, on Sep 5 2009, 01:21 PM, said:

If I get it right, it means that fujianabc's method only works for a "single" driver.

The work arround work for a single driver at a single setting.

Default iastor.sys expect to use F6 and select a appropiate line.
Default match one setting only, a lot of HardwareID are not supported that way.

 
[Defaults]
scsi = iaStor_8ME9MEPCHM

;#############################################################################
[scsi]

; iaAHCI.inf
iaAHCI_ESB2         = "Intel® ESB2 SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_7RDH         = "Intel® ICH7R/DH SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_7MMDH        = "Intel® ICH7M/MDH SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_8RDHDO       = "Intel® ICH8R/DH/DO SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_8MEM         = "Intel® ICH8M-E/M SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_9RDODH       = "Intel® ICH9R/DO/DH SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_9MEM         = "Intel® ICH9M-E/M SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_10DDO        = "Intel® ICH10D/DO SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_10R          = "Intel® ICH10R SATA AHCI Controller"
iaAHCI_PCHM         = "Intel® PCHM SATA AHCI Controller 4 Port"
iaAHCI_PCHM_1       = "Intel® PCHM SATA AHCI Controller 6 Port"
iaAHCI_PCH          = "Intel® PCH SATA AHCI Controller"

; iaStor.inf
iaStor_ESB2         = "Intel® ESB2 SATA RAID Controller"
iaStor_7RDH         = "Intel® ICH7R/DH SATA RAID Controller"
iaStor_7MDH         = "Intel® ICH7MDH SATA RAID Controller"
iaStor_8R9R10RDOPCH = "Intel® ICH8R/ICH9R/ICH10R/DO/PCH SATA RAID Controller"
iaStor_8ME9MEPCHM   = "Intel® ICH8M-E/ICH9M-E/PCHM SATA RAID Controller" 

Quote

Wouldn't that mean that by adding in the floppy also the firadisk driver

Actually this was my intention back then: http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...ost&p=76974

Quote

My guess is, that even if still experimental, firadisk is working allright in current releases for a floppy loading.

Old Firadisk version didn't support this back then, but does it now.

Yes, firadisk is the missing driver.
Add firadisk to the floppy image. There is no need to edit boot.ini.

At F6 load three drivers, firadisk and the two hardware drivers.

Add firadisk.sys to root directory

TxtSetup.oem File Format http://msdn.microsof...y/ms794587.aspx

;to section [scsi]
firadisk = "FiraDisk Virtual Disk"

[Files.scsi.firadisk]
driver = d1, firadisk.sys,firadisk

[Config.firadisk]

d1 is a example, has to be set at Disks section.
Example

Quote

[Disks]
d1 = "NVIDIA RAID DRIVER (SCSI)",\disk1,\

menu.lst

title  nvgts.ima firadisk
map --mem /Inst/nvgts.ima (fd0)
map --hook
chainloader /SETUPLDR.BIN

To summary:
A addional driver is requiered for full F6 virtual image

Contrary the double floppy (fd0) (fd1) approach is nice for most drivers.
Remember F6 wont work, edit [Defaults] section to your needs.

[jaclaz]

Well, now I am completely lost.

I am probably just a bit tough, or tired, or both but your explanation made things foggier that I thought they were before.

Can you, when you have time, post a COMPLETE example (as opposed to bits and pieces scattered in one liners on three different threads, one on boot-land and two here on MSFN) for each of the two approaches?

jaclaz

[pseudo]

cdob, on Sep 6 2009, 01:30 AM, said:

At second glance, setup dosn't support this kind of virtual floppy fully.
Read: the virtual floppy is processed automatic, you can't use F6.
Setup dosn't find the virtual floppy.

You have to adjust txtsetup.oem [Defaults] SCSI entry.
http://msdn.microsof...y/ms794593.aspx

And there are drivers pair http://http.download.nvidia.com/Windows/nF...Shield_UGv5.pdf
This requires to load two drivers
"NVIDIA RAID CLASS DRIVER (required)"
"NVIDIA NForce Storage Controller (required)"


The question is open still: how to use a full supported F6 virtual floppy?

I have given a solution(without firadisk) at wuyou in chinease(with detail figures) for a few months on how to install xp/2003 to a SATA/RAID hard disk with CDROM and without physical floppies:
http://bbs.wuyou.com/viewthread.php?tid=14...&highlight=
Another solution with firadisk v0.0.1.12 is available to install xp/2003 iso:
http://bbs.wuyou.com/viewthread.php?tid=14...;extra=page%3D2

This post has been edited by pseudo: 16 September 2009 - 12:04 PM

[cdob]

pseudo, on Sep 16 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

I have given a solution(without firadisk) at wuyou in chinease(with detail figures) for a few months on how to install xp/2003 to a SATA/RAID hard disk with CDROM and without physical floppies:

Thanks. That's awesome grub4dos usage too.

Can you clarify some details?

Txtsetup.oem does contain a empty [Defaults] section.
Do I have to set a [Defaults] entry?
Or does windows load all [scsi] drivers by default?

pseudo, on Sep 16 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

Another solution with firadisk v0.0.1.12 is available to install xp/2003 iso:

Yes, firadisk v0.0.1.12 does solve this. I'm using this too in the mean time.

[pseudo]

cdob, on Sep 17 2009, 03:20 AM, said:

pseudo, on Sep 16 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

I have given a solution(without firadisk) at wuyou in chinease(with detail figures) for a few months on how to install xp/2003 to a SATA/RAID hard disk with CDROM and without physical floppies:

Thanks. That's awesome grub4dos usage too.

Can you clarify some details?

Txtsetup.oem does contain a empty [Defaults] section.
Do I have to set a [Defaults] entry?
Or does windows load all [scsi] drivers by default?

pseudo, on Sep 16 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

Another solution with firadisk v0.0.1.12 is available to install xp/2003 iso:

Yes, firadisk v0.0.1.12 does solve this. I'm using this too in the mean time.

Yes, we have invented a way to use grub4dos, called "Programmed Menu", which can be found in pseudo's 0PE and chenall's MicroPE on wuyou forum.
The menuitems of booting 0PE.ISO or MicroPE.ISO have been listed in sample menu.lst of grub4dos release.
You may notice some files, such as F6.ZIP, is not an .img format file. There are many drivers in F6.ZIP including Intel, VIA, SIS, etc. These drivers will be the contents of the virtual floppies.
The program detects the HardwareIds of the hard disk and sets a appropriate [Defaults] entry automatically.
Windows load the defaults driver only. You don't need to press F6.

[jaclaz]

pseudo, on Sep 16 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

Yes, we have invented a way to use grub4dos, called "Programmed Menu", which can be found in pseudo's 0PE and chenall's MicroPE on wuyou forum.

Since you read and write both Chinese and English, you appear not to consider how difficult can be for a "westerner" to access the wuyou Forum.

Through Google translate it is often impossible to navigate Chinese sites, if they use .gif or .jpeg with ideograms which of course the translator cannot see "properly" and translate, and the language is so different that it is very difficult to understand the translated text anyway.

Any chance you can post a few direct links to the relevant pages?

Or create on boot-land an English Topic for those?

jaclaz

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 16 September 2009 - 05:45 PM