[robekia]

jaclaz, on Nov 8 2009, 05:35 PM, said:

WHAT DO YOU THINK the HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool V2.0.6 does?

jaclaz

Nothing more than Format the Stick because if i use Windows format and ignored this step, things will be the same.

[robekia]

@ cdob
Which laptop give this result?
Acer5738

Can you run usbHistory.exe at both laptops?
i'm attaching the results
 usb_history.txt (565bytes)
Number of downloads: 3
for AsusEee, the ParentIdPrefix is : 7&49cb960&0
for Acer5738, still the same as before (No change).

Is this a external USB card device?
this is built in Card reader

Did you used one SD card at two different Card devices?
Yes, the SD card loaded windows setup files and used in Asus then acer5738

Try one migrate.inf for the "AsusEee" and another migrate.inf for the "Acer5738"
I did (got U: in Asus) (got D: in Asus).

Yes, a BIOS update is recommended
i already got that notice from Acer web site and updated my bios since 2 weeks although my labtop's serial number is not a one of the infected labtops.

Which OS do you use at "Acer5738" currently, XP, Vista or other?
ONLY XP.

This post has been edited by robekia: 08 November 2009 - 09:59 AM

[robekia]

@jaclaz

i tried your last Batch update, and i got the same ParentIdPrefix which is: 7&d7f206a&0

[cdob]

Which windows source files do you use? Do you use a OEM verison?

Did you add any custom drivers?
How did you add drivers?
Did you add Realtek Card Reader drivers as textmode drivers?
Did you add Realtek Card Reader drivers as PNP drivers?

Does current XP use Realtek Card Reader drivers?

devcon.exe driverfiles *

http://support.micro....com/kb/311272/

Does a default XP USB massstorage driver support the internal reader?
Does a default XP USB massstorage driver result one ParentIdPrefix?
Does Realtek Card Reader drivers result another ParentIdPrefix?

[robekia]

cdob, on Nov 8 2009, 07:19 PM, said:

Which windows source files do you use? Do you use a OEM verison?

Yes

Quote

Did you add any custom drivers?
How did you add drivers?
Did you add Realtek Card Reader drivers as textmode drivers?
Did you add Realtek Card Reader drivers as PNP drivers?

Actually, i expected this question long time ago as i thought something wrong with it but when i used the same setup files with Stick 2 GB, everything went fine.
The Answers:
1- Yes, i used Custom drivers supplied by Acer.
2- I added the drivers by nLite through it's drivers injection function.
3- I'm only adding SATA Drivers as Text mode from nLite
4- Realtek Card Reader drivers added as PNP not Text Mode.

Quote

Does current XP use Realtek Card Reader drivers?

devcon.exe driverfiles *

http://support.micro....com/kb/311272/

attached results.
 devcon.txt (34.6K)
Number of downloads: 4

Quote

Does a default XP USB massstorage driver support the internal reader?

Yes, i tried Not to install Realtek and windows still see the SD

Quote

Does a default XP USB massstorage driver result one ParentIdPrefix?

Didn't try yet

Quote

Does Realtek Card Reader drivers result another ParentIdPrefix?

I don't know weither Windows is using this driver right now or not.
as i mentioned before Device Manager not listed any Realtek

This post has been edited by robekia: 08 November 2009 - 11:00 AM

[jaclaz]

robekia, on Nov 8 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

Nothing more than Format the Stick because if i use Windows format and ignored this step, things will be the same.

Here is the point you are missing.

You can properly format a USB stick ONLY AFTER the HP utility (or other utility) PARTITIONED it at least once.

Quick guide:

• usually (read ALWAYS) sticks are ONLY formatted (NOT partitioned) as a superfloppy device
  
• usually (read ALWAYS) sticks are set as "Removable", thus Windows WON'T partition them
  
• once a MBR and a partition table is written to the stick by one of the utilities, Windows will read them and will allow formatting the Volume in the Partition table (as opposed as formatting the whole stick as superfloppy)

jaclaz

[robekia]

jaclaz, on Nov 8 2009, 07:50 PM, said:

robekia, on Nov 8 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

Nothing more than Format the Stick because if i use Windows format and ignored this step, things will be the same.

Here is the point you are missing.

You can properly format a USB stick ONLY AFTER the HP utility (or other utility) PARTITIONED it at least once.

Quick guide:

• usually (read ALWAYS) sticks are ONLY formatted (NOT partitioned) as a superfloppy device
  
• usually (read ALWAYS) sticks are set as "Removable", thus Windows WON'T partition them
  
• once a MBR and a partition table is written to the stick by one of the utilities, Windows will read them and will allow formatting the Volume in the Partition table (as opposed as formatting the whole stick as superfloppy)

jaclaz

aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, that's means HP Format Tools Should run FIRST and ONCE then we can deal with the Stick after ward.
So, no need to run it each time i'm running "Multi boot 10"

[robekia]

@ cdob

sorry, i run devcon while SD card not in the Reader.
i inserted the SD card and run the devcon again.
here is the correct attachement

 devcon.txt (35.29K)
Number of downloads: 8

My suggesion:

As jaclaz mentioned, it is something related to Bios
or
it is due to mising some OEM drivers not yet released by Acer for the subject controler through F6

if this is the case, so we are looking for some seniors to develop such drivers or waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

This post has been edited by robekia: 08 November 2009 - 12:14 PM

[cdob]

devcon.txt said:

USB\VID_0BDA&PID_0159\20071114173400000
Name: Realtek Card Reader(0159)
Driver installed from c:\windows\inf\oem10.inf [RSUSBSTOR]. 3 file(s) used by driver:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\RTS5121.sys
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rts5121.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rts5121icon.dll

A NON windows default driver is used. This driver cause a ParentIdPrefix.
A windows default driver may cause a different ParentIdPrefix. Or the same.
Currently at textmode setup default drivers are used.

Can you confirm: open device manager, change view per connection.
Is the SD card connected to this Realtek Card Reader(0159)?

Can you make another XP installation?
Remove the Realtek Card Reader(0159) driver (rename RTS5121.inf RTS5121.inf.txt). Install XP again.
Which driver and ParentIdPrefix goes now to USB\VID_0BDA&PID_0159 ?

[jaclaz]

robekia, on Nov 8 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, that's means HP Format Tools Should run FIRST and ONCE then we can deal with the Stick after ward.
So, no need to run it each time i'm running "Multi boot 10"

Waiter come taste this soup .....
http://www.imdb.com/...98/crazycredits
Aha. Aha! ...

jaclaz, on Nov 8 2009, 11:29 AM, said:

Is the SD card partitioned, right?

robekia_fixed said:

NoYES, i'm just using the "MULTIBOOT_USB_10.cmd" with option (H) to partition and format the whole stick and it boots fine.

jaclaz

P.S.: Attaching migrateinf2txt.cmd version ALPHA 003
It should now be much faster and able to parse also multi-device migrate.inf's, both in the "plain" format MkMigrateinf.cmd does and in the "complex" one MakeMigrateInf.exe create.

Attached File(s)

•  Migrate2txt_003.zip (1.22K)
  Number of downloads: 3

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 09 November 2009 - 08:09 AM

[robekia]

cdob, on Nov 8 2009, 11:34 PM, said:

devcon.txt said:

USB\VID_0BDA&PID_0159\20071114173400000
Name: Realtek Card Reader(0159)
Driver installed from c:\windows\inf\oem10.inf [RSUSBSTOR]. 3 file(s) used by driver:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\RTS5121.sys
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rts5121.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rts5121icon.dll

A NON windows default driver is used. This driver cause a ParentIdPrefix.
A windows default driver may cause a different ParentIdPrefix. Or the same.
Currently at textmode setup default drivers are used.

Can you confirm: open device manager, change view per connection.
Is the SD card connected to this Realtek Card Reader(0159)?

Can you make another XP installation?
Remove the Realtek Card Reader(0159) driver (rename RTS5121.inf RTS5121.inf.txt). Install XP again.
Which driver and ParentIdPrefix goes now to USB\VID_0BDA&PID_0159 ?

I'm writing this now from another windows installed on Acer5738 without Card Reader drivers.
1- set Hard disk mode to IDE (not sata mode).
2- create a nLite setup files not included any TXT drivers.
3- injected all drivers required with nLite except Card reader PNP drivers.
4- prepare ISO from the nLite output setup files.
5- purn the ISO file to DVD.
6- Remove any sticks/SD from USB/Built in card reader.
7- Reboot the Acer5738 from DVD.
8- Setup windows normaly on drive D: (Second partition).
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
9- once windows setup successful, i put the two batch files on the SD and run them from there........
10- GOT ANOTHER "ParentIdPrefix" (7&24e8d74f&) without 0 at the end (attachment1).  MIGRATE.INF (728bytes)
Number of downloads: 2
11- I run the usbhistory (attached results1).  usb_history.txt (582bytes)
Number of downloads: 3
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
12- I put the two batch files on the 8GB stick and run them from there (attachment2).
13- GOT ANOTHER "ParentIdPrefix" (7&d825748&0)(attachment2).  migrate1.inf (722bytes)
Number of downloads: 2
14- I run the usbhistory (attached results2).  usb_history1.txt (582bytes)
Number of downloads: 4
15- I run "devcon.exe driverfiles * > devcon.txt" attached.  devcon.txt (34.64K)
Number of downloads: 3


do i have to use this migrate.inf (attachment2) from now on for any setup run from stick?
do i have to use this migrate.inf (attachment1) from now on for any setup run from SD?

then, can i re-inject the realtek drivers to the windows setup again then copying the suitable migrate without any problem or i have to forget about them for ever?

do i have to generate separate "migrate.inf" for each "stick/SD" or for each USB port (i.e. when connecting stick to usb(1) --> i have to generate a "migrate.inf", when connecting the same stick to usb(2) --> i have to generate another "migrate.inf"?

This post has been edited by robekia: 09 November 2009 - 01:22 PM

[robekia]

Previous topic updated. another details added.
attachment was wrong -> updated

This post has been edited by robekia: 09 November 2009 - 12:51 PM

[robekia]

jaclaz, on Nov 9 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

P.S.: Attaching migrateinf2txt.cmd version ALPHA 003
It should now be much faster and able to parse also multi-device migrate.inf's, both in the "plain" format MkMigrateinf.cmd does and in the "complex" one MakeMigrateInf.exe create.

Thanks jaclaz.
I used it now and gives me the same results as above:
7&d825748&0&
7&24e8d74f&0
but wondering, why the first generated has "&0&" at the end? i was expecting "&0" only

[robekia]

****GENTS****

I TRIED IT NOW

SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS

Thanks cdob --> your idea wad ideal.
Thanks jaclaz --> your batch file was amazing tool.
Thanks ilko --> you are the first one who mentioned about the ParentIdPrefix
Thanks wimb --> Good explanation & tools.
Thanks MSFN --> i learn MANY THINGS NEW.


I think this is the time for MEM_ISO_LOADED, Why a blank Screen?

This post has been edited by robekia: 09 November 2009 - 01:37 PM

[jaclaz]

robekia, on Nov 9 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

Thanks jaclaz.
I used it now and gives me the same results as above:
7&d825748&0&
7&24e8d74f&0
but wondering, why the first generated has "&0&" at the end? i was expecting "&0" only

That is a glitch of the batch.
I assumed that a ParentIdPrefix would always be 12 characters long, with a central part always 8 characters long, I see this is not the case with that one.

I will find a way to "fix" the batch for this special case.

jaclaz

[cdob]

robekia, on Nov 9 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

10- GOT ANOTHER "ParentIdPrefix" (7&24e8d74f&) without 0 at the end (attachment1).

devcon.txt said:

USB\VID_0BDA&PID_0159\20071114173400000
Name: USB Mass Storage Device
Driver installed from d:\windows\inf\usbstor.inf [USBSTOR_BULK]. 1 file(s) used by driver:
D:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\USBSTOR.SYS

This confirms: another driver usbstor.sys result another "ParentIdPrefix".
This knowledge is new.

Quote

12- I put the two batch files on the 8GB stick and run them from there (attachment2).
13- GOT ANOTHER "ParentIdPrefix" (7&d825748&0)

This is another surprise.
The Realtek driver does interfere a USB stick too. This is rather strange.

Quote

do i have to use this migrate.inf (attachment2) from now on for any setup run from stick?
do i have to use this migrate.inf (attachment1) from now on for any setup run from SD?

If need be, you may create one migrate.inf, use different letters for USB Stick and SD card.

Quote

can i re-inject the realtek drivers to the windows setup again then copying the suitable migrate without any problem or i have to forget about them for ever?

Why does Acer offer a USB SD driver at all?

You may intergrate the driver again as PNP driver, textmode setup use usbstor.sys ParentIdPrefix.

If you prefer a most confusing configuration:
Add the Realtek driver as a textmode driver.
You get very funny results again at different machines.

Avoid this driver!

Quote

do i have to generate separate "migrate.inf" for each "stick/SD" or for each USB port

No, the USB port dosn't matter.

robekia, on Nov 9 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS SUCCESS

Congratulations.

[ilko_t]

It's interesting to follow:

Card reader/SD card:


Generic windows driver:

USB\VID_0BDA&PID_0159\20071114173400000
	Name: USB Mass Storage Device
	Driver installed from d:\windows\inf\usbstor.inf [USBSTOR_BULK]. 1 file(s) used by driver:
		D:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\USBSTOR.SYS
USBSTOR\DISK&VEN_GENERIC-&PROD_MULTI-CARD&REV_1.00\20071114173400000&0
	Name: Generic- Multi-Card USB Device
	Driver installed from d:\windows\inf\disk.inf [disk_install]. 1 file(s) used by driver:
		D:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\disk.sys

USBSTOR\DISK&VEN_GENERIC-&PROD_MULTI-CARD&REV_1.00\20071114173400000&0

has hash/parentID "24e8d74f".

=================================

Realtek driver:

USB\VID_0BDA&PID_0159\20071114173400000
	Name: Realtek Card Reader(0159)
	Driver installed from c:\windows\inf\oem10.inf [RSUSBSTOR]. 3 file(s) used by driver:
		C:\WINDOWS\System32\Drivers\RTS5121.sys
		C:\WINDOWS\system32\rts5121.dll
		C:\WINDOWS\system32\rts5121icon.dll
USBSTOR\DISK&VEN_GENERIC-&PROD_MULTI-CARD&REV_1.00\00000
	Name: Generic- Multi-Card USB Device
	Driver installed from c:\windows\inf\disk.inf [disk_install]. 1 file(s) used by driver:
		C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\disk.sys

USBSTOR\DISK&VEN_GENERIC-&PROD_MULTI-CARD&REV_1.00\00000

results in d7f206a hash.


I am rather confused to follow Kingston USB stick "transformations" with all the information scattered around the thread:
It this the same stick plugged?

USB\VID_0951&PID_1623\00137297175CF971862F0A39
	Name: USB Mass Storage Device
	Driver installed from d:\windows\inf\usbstor.inf [USBSTOR_BULK]. 1 file(s) used by driver:
		D:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\USBSTOR.SYS
...........
...........
USBSTOR\DISK&VEN_KINGSTON&PROD_DATATRAVELER_120&REV_1.00\00137297175CF971862F0A39&0
	Name: Kingston DataTraveler 120 USB Device
	Driver installed from d:\windows\inf\disk.inf [disk_install]. 1 file(s) used by driver:
		D:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\disk.sys

This is hash 15c42460

USB\VID_0951&PID_1607\5B82050053DD
	Name: USB Mass Storage Device
	Driver installed from c:\windows\inf\usbstor.inf [USBSTOR_BULK]. 1 file(s) used by driver:
		C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\USBSTOR.SYS
.............
.............
USBSTOR\DISK&VEN_KINGSTON&PROD_DATATRAVELER_2.0&REV_PMAP\5B82050053DD&0
	Name: Kingston DataTraveler 2.0 USB Device
	Driver installed from c:\windows\inf\disk.inf [disk_install]. 1 file(s) used by driver:
		C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\disk.sys

This is hash 2ba01341

@robekiaTo follow troubles with 8GB Kingston USB stick can you show me where is the output from devcon and usb_history for the following cases

1) Realtek card reader driver installed and used
2) Generic XP driver used

Need 2 pairs of those files, for the two cases above.

[jaclaz]

New Migrate2txt.cmd 004 Alpha "Fixed" version to remove the trailing "&" on "short" ParentIdPrefix.



jaclaz

Attached File(s)

•  Migrate2txt_004.zip (1.25K)
  Number of downloads: 8

[robekia]

ilko_t, on Nov 10 2009, 02:20 AM, said:

@robekiaTo follow troubles with 8GB Kingston USB stick can you show me where is the output from devcon and usb_history for the following cases

1) Realtek card reader driver installed and used
2) Generic XP driver used

Need 2 pairs of those files, for the two cases above.

Actualy, i have two SD cards, 2gb and 4gb
also, i have 4 Sticks, 512mg, 1gb, 4gb and 8gb

all tests done using (SD 2 and 4gb)(Sticks 2 and 8gb)

I used them all now in this windows so the results will be FULL when i run "history" and "devcon"

now i'll attach the requested information

NEW Windows
history -->  usb_history_NEW_.txt (849bytes)
Number of downloads: 1
devcon results -->  devcon_NEW_.txt (35.27K)
Number of downloads: 1
migrate.inf for SD2 -->  MIGRATE_NEW__SD2_.INF (728bytes)
Number of downloads: 1
ParentIdPrefix SD2 --> "7&24e8d74f&0"
migrate.inf for SD4 -->  MIGRATE_NEW__SD4_.INF (728bytes)
Number of downloads: 0
ParentIdPrefix SD4 --> "7&24e8d74f&0"
migrate.inf for STICK2 -->  MIGRATE_NEW__STICK2GB_.INF (728bytes)
Number of downloads: 1
ParentIdPrefix STICK2 --> "7&2ba01341&0"
migrate.inf for STICK8 -->  MIGRATE_NEW__STICK8GB_.INF (722bytes)
Number of downloads: 1
ParentIdPrefix STICK8 --> "7&d825748&0&"


OLD Windows

will reboot using old windows, then attach the following
history -->  usb_history_old.txt (1.6K)
Number of downloads: 1
devcon results -->  devcon_OLD_.txt (35.67K)
Number of downloads: 1
migrate.inf for SD2 -->  MIGRATE_OLD__SD2_.INF (722bytes)
Number of downloads: 0
ParentIdPrefix SD2 --> "7&d7f206a&0&"
migrate.inf for SD4 -->  MIGRATE_OLD__SD4_.INF (722bytes)
Number of downloads: 0
ParentIdPrefix SD4 --> "7&d7f206a&0&"
migrate.inf for STICK2 -->  MIGRATE_OLD__STICK2GB_.INF (728bytes)
Number of downloads: 1
ParentIdPrefix STICK2 --> "7&2ba01341&0"
migrate.inf for STICK8 -->  MIGRATE_OLD__STICK8GB_.INF (722bytes)
Number of downloads: 0
ParentIdPrefix STICK8 --> "7&d825748&0&"

wondering why the "ParentIdPrefix" for SD2GB is always same as SD4GB
while the "ParentIdPrefix" for STICK2GB is not the same as STICK8GB although the STICKS are from the same vendor(KINGSTON) as the SDs?

This post has been edited by robekia: 10 November 2009 - 04:48 PM

[robekia]

jaclaz, on Nov 10 2009, 12:11 PM, said:

New Migrate2txt.cmd 004 Alpha "Fixed" version to remove the trailing "&" on "short" ParentIdPrefix.

Hi jaclaz,
it is OK now displaying the ParentIdPrefix without the trailing &