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Help installing XP MCE on Laptop with RAID

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Ok I know this has been said a thousand times over, but I have been reading things and burning discs all day to get this to work, so please read on, I am in dire need of help!

My brother has a Toshiba Qosmio G25-AV13. It has XP Media Center 2005, but he lost the recovery disc (go figure)

I have Media Center Edition 2005 for my desktop, so I copied the contents of the CD's using nLite, and made a new DVD using nLite with built in RAID drivers. That got the HDD to be visible to XP setup. So I started installation, with a full format (only 1 HDD is being seen by windows setup, should be 2x60GB but I only see 1 60GB there) but when computer reboots the first time around, it starts the installation all over again! It wont pick up the HDD after reboot, so it brings me to a screen where it says "Press any key to boot from CD"

I read in other forums that some people say not to hit any keys at this point, but this does nothing for me, it just stays there. And yes, I have changed boot options around, even trying to boot from harddrive manually, but it wont load the windows setup at all. So I'm stuck in this loop.

On the toshiba website people said i have to install the intel matrix storage thing, and I did for this laptop (ICH6-M). That didnt work either. In the BIOS I set both drives to JBOD (there is only 1RAID, 2RAID or JBOD so I am trying to bypass the RAID all together, but it's not making a difference, I guess because it's still hooked up via S-ATA??)

So what am I to do!? Am I missing something? Do I need more things other than the Intel Matrix Storage file and the RAID drivers embedded on an install disc? I have been fiddling with this thing for almost 3 days now, and all I can get it to do is install the windows folder, then on re-boot it starts the process all over again. Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks!

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Make sure when you integrate the driver with nLite you use text mode (not pnp) option

BTW do you have a link to your driver?

I have a Qosmio G35 and I have a personal DriverPacks MassStorage with the Toshiba Raid driver for my model (you use DPs_BASE to integrate it not nLite) if both laptops use the same driver I can upload it for you

Edit: just checked support and they both use same driver, here is my MODDED MassStorage DriverPack for you

Deleted...

You copy the contents of both MCE CDs to a folder

Use DPs_BASE to integrate the driverpack (you extract the tool and put the *.7z in the DriverPacks folder) making sure you check the DriverPack MassStorage and the "text mode" options (use all the defaults for the rest of the options)

dpmasstore.th.png

Then after you are done use nLite to make it bootable and you should be OK

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@ shadesters:

Welcome at MSFN Forums!

My brother has a Toshiba Qosmio G25-AV13. It has XP Media Center 2005, but he lost the recovery disc (go figure)

I have Media Center Edition 2005 for my desktop, so I copied the contents of the CD's using nLite, and made a new DVD using nLite with built in RAID drivers.

Which RAID driver did you integrate, where did you get it and what makes you sure, that it was the correct one?

By the way: Toshiba is offering >this< special RAID driver for their Qosmio G notebook series.

I read in other forums that some people say not to hit any keys at this point, but this does nothing for me, it just stays there. And yes, I have changed boot options around, even trying to boot from harddrive manually, but it wont load the windows setup at all. So I'm stuck in this loop.
Maybe the hdd has not been set as bootable device. Enter the BIOS and look for the bootable devices.
On the toshiba website people said i have to install the intel matrix storage thing, and I did for this laptop (ICH6-M). That didnt work either.
I don't think, that there is any notebook with an Intel ICH6M Southbridge, which will support RAID. Furthermore none of the actual Intel Matrix Storage Manager RAID drivers can be used with an ICH6M Southbridge. For further details you may look into the start post of >this< thread.
In the BIOS I set both drives to JBOD (there is only 1RAID, 2RAID or JBOD so I am trying to bypass the RAID all together, but it's not making a difference,
All 3 options will enable the RAID features with the consequence, that you need the appropriate RAID driver. Look into the manual, what 1RAID and 2RAID mean. If you really have 2 SATA hdd's with the same size, you should create an array (RAID0 for performance or RAID1 for redundancy).
So what am I to do!? Am I missing something? Do I need more things other than the Intel Matrix Storage file and the RAID drivers embedded on an install disc? I have been fiddling with this thing for almost 3 days now, and all I can get it to do is install the windows folder, then on re-boot it starts the process all over again.
This is what I suggest:

1. Create a new MCE CD with integrated Toshiba RAID textmode driver (as linked above).

2. Choose the appropriate RAID option (depending on your option performamce or security) within the BIOS.

3. Create a RAID0 or RAID1 array, if you want.

4. Enter the BIOS and set the RAID as second bootable device (the first one should be the CD/DVD-ROM).

4. Boot off the freshly created MCE CD.

@ ricktendo64:

Thanks for your assistance by offering your special DriverPack.

Nevertheless I do not really understand, why shadesters should use the DriverPacks method and integrate a whole MassStorage DriverPack. He just wants to get MCE installed onto 1 single specified notebook.

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@ ricktendo64:

Thanks for your assistance by offering your special DriverPack.

Nevertheless I do not really understand, why shadesters should use the DriverPacks method and integrate a whole MassStorage DriverPack.

UMM gee I dunno...because its the best solution, easy and it works!

This is what I use for my laptop

BTW shadesters to make sure your HDD is configured correctly just use the default bios setting, raid should be set correctly by default

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shadesters, so that we have more information, please attach (not paste) your Last Session.ini. Make sure to always start with a fresh copy of your CD files/folders, do all your work in one nLite session and integrate only one SP. Please report when you have a solution, so others can benefit. Enjoy, John.

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I do not really understand, why shadesters should use the DriverPacks method and integrate a whole MassStorage DriverPack.
..because its the best solution, easy and it works!
1. This is not the DriverPacks, but the nLite Forum.

2. Creating an nLited CD with integrated textmode driver is very easy and safe too (if you have the suitale RAID/AHCI driver).

3. Why should someone with just a single notebook integrate 150 different textmode drivers?

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Wow, thanks guys! I currently am on my way to work, but when I get home, I will try all suggestions and report back with any progress.

I have like 5 last sessions.ini (with dates) but here is the one without a date, im assuming its the most recent.

Last_Session.ini

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Also, I will change both HDDs from JBOD to RAID-0 so that data is split between them. I got the RAID drivers from the toshiba website, the latest, most up to date (there were a few of them, some years apart, would it make a difference if I tried an older one?)

and on the toshiba forums, people had this same problem and said that the intel matrix storage thing would fix it, so I looked up the intel storage matrix drivers on the intel website and it listed the ICH's that each used. I googled the G25 laptop and in the specs it says it uses the ICH6-M, so I dont know why the specs would say that if it doesnt use that....

so i downloaded one of the zip archives of the intel matrix storage driver and added it to the ISO using nLite. There were a bunch of options of drivers to choose from in the list, and I chose the one saying ICH6-M (mobile/laptop) or something like that. Maybe I should just select them all? Or try using a mass pack like the one above? I don't care what I need to do, as long as I can get the setup process to see the hard drives and continue installation in GUI mode!

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Also, a quick question. I downloaded the Intel RAID drivers, maybe I should download the nForce ones? It has nVidia graphics, but I have no clue on how to tell what chipset it is, Intel or nVidia. Maybe that would make a difference?

I will try all suggestions in a few hours and report back. Thanks all.

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shadesters, I went to the Toshiba driver DL site and found these for the Qosmio G25-AV513. Is your AV13 a finger check - found none for AV13. You should DL and use these. Whether you have video driver or not is not going to effect how you install goes. Fernando 1 is the driver expert here and will add further, I am sure. Enjoy, John.

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I got the RAID drivers from the toshiba website, the latest, most up to date (there were a few of them, some years apart, would it make a difference if I tried an older one?)
The most important thing is not the age of a driver, but the OEM and INF files entries. The specific HardwareID's of the RAID Controller has to be within the TXTSETUP.OEM file, otherwise Windows Setup will not recognize the RAID.
on the toshiba forums, people had this same problem and said that the intel matrix storage thing would fix it, so I looked up the intel storage matrix drivers on the intel website and it listed the ICH's that each used. I googled the G25 laptop and in the specs it says it uses the ICH6-M, so I dont know why the specs would say that if it doesnt use that....

so i downloaded one of the zip archives of the intel matrix storage driver and added it to the ISO using nLite. There were a bunch of options of drivers to choose from in the list, and I chose the one saying ICH6-M (mobile/laptop) or something like that. Maybe I should just select them all?

You can select them all (if you are unsure), but the only Controller you will need is named "Intel® ICH6M SATA RAID Controller".

I really doubt, that the advice you got from Toshiba Forum was correct.

Reasons:

1. Why should Toshiba offer special Toshiba RAID drivers named KR10N for your notebook, if these notebooks have built-in just normal Intel RAID Controllers?

2. As far as I know Intel has never built an ICH6M Southbridge, whis is supporting RAID.

Where did you get the Intel Matrix Storage Manager driver and which is the version? Are you sure, that Intel ICH6M SATA RAID Controllers are supported by the driver you got?

@ johnhc:

The Toshiba driver I have linked within my first post of this thread contains the same HardwareID's as yours, but is newer.

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1. Why should Toshiba offer special Toshiba RAID drivers named KR10N for your notebook, if these notebooks have built-in just normal Intel RAID Controllers?

2. As far as I know Intel has never built an ICH6M Southbridge, whis is supporting RAID.

That's a good question, let's investigate:

Toshiba txtsetup.oem

[HardwareIds.scsi.K_RAIDXPM]

id="PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2653&SUBSYS_0F101179", "KR10N"

id="PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_27C5&SUBSYS_0F101179", "KR10N"

Intel txtsetup.oem

[HardwareIds.scsi.iaAHCI_ICH7M]

id = "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_27C5&CC_0106","iaStor"

[HardwareIds.scsi.iaStor_ICH6R]

id = "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2652&CC_0104","iaStor"

[HardwareIds.scsi.iaAHCI_ICH6R]

id = "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2652&CC_0106","iaStor"

[HardwareIds.scsi.iaAHCI_ICH6M]

id = "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2653&CC_0106","iaStor"

There is a AHCI PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2653&CC_0106, contrary there is no RAID PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2653&CC_0104.

Toshiba uses a the hardware at RAID mode.

This hardware usage maybe with or without Intel support.

Compare the ICH6R example too:

there is "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2652&CC_0104" and "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2652&CC_0106".

The Intel driver works, if you set a BIOS mode relating to PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2653&CC_0106.

Intel iastor.sys may work at this controller too, but this is not supported by Intel.

A adjusted iastor.inf maybe nice for testing. But be aware, this is experimental:

there is data loss possible if driver is changed from KR10N.sys to iastor.sys

Seems to be a bad idea at second glance.

@shadesters

Try the Toshiba drivers first.

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@ cdob:

Thanks for your interesting informations, which brought much light into the dark for me.

I didn't realize, that Toshiba's special RAID drivers are nothing else than "modded" Intel RAID drivers, but without any reference to Intel.

@ shadesters:

As cdob has mentioned, you probably will not succeed with the integration of any official Intel textmode driver, bcause none of them contain the needed HardwareID's for your Intel ICH6M Southbridge running in RAID Mode.

So probably just the old Toshiba drivers will work for you.

Nevertheless I have just customized the latest official 32bit Intel Matrix Storage Manager drivers v8.9.0.1023 to make them usable for your Intel ICH6M RAID system.

Here is the download link:

32bit_Intel_ICH6_10_textmode_driver_v8.9.0.1023_mod_by_Fernando.rar

Please try that driver, which I have customized for being usable with all Intel ICH6-10 chipsets, and post, if you succeeded with it. If yes, I will present this "modded" driver within >this< guide.

Thanks!

Fernando

EDIT: Now the linked modified Intel textmode driver will (hopefully) support all "tricky" Toshiba Intel ICH6M and ICH7M RAID systems.

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Ok, I got the toshiba drivers from the top of the thread and this new ICH6 driver you posted, used nLite to add them, and it worked! Thank you so much! Windows is installing in GUI mode as we speak!

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Ok, I got the toshiba drivers from the top of the thread and this new ICH6 driver you posted, used nLite to add them, and it worked! Thank you so much! Windows is installing in GUI mode as we speak!
Congratulations to you and thanks for your quick feedback. :thumbup

The fact, that you succeeded at least with the Windows MCE installation onto Toshiba's "tricky" RAID system is a big success for you and for other owners of a Toshiba Qosmio G notebook series, who are going to install any Windows OS in the future.

As a consequence of your report I will put the freshly customized Intel textmode drivers into >this< guide.

Have fun!

Fernando

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I got the toshiba drivers from the top of the thread and this new ICH6 driver you posted, used nLite to add them

Which driver did you include?

Did you include one driver?

Did you incldue two drivers?

Did you include both toshiba and the new ICH6 driver?

Which driver does windows use currently?

KR10N or iastor.sys?

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@ cdob:

Thanks for your questions, which are very important for me too, because I would rather like to know, if the "modded" Intel driver works with his "tricky Toshiba RAID" system.

I didn't think about the possibility, that shadesters may have integrated both drivers into the same MCE CD.

Regards

Fernando

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shadesters, it is always good to attach your Last Session. Thanks, John.

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Hey guys... Fernando, I used both of the ones you posted... the special one for the qosmio G and your modded Intel Matrix storage drivers for ICH6M... I dont know if one or the other did the trick, so I included both just in case.... When it asked me to add drivers in nLite I just selected them all and integrated...

Here are my last session.ini

I didnt know how to add both sets of drivers in 1 nLite session lol:

Last_Session.ini

Last_Session__2009.11.23_18.54.34_.ini

But as you can see I just added all drivers in both sets, made an ISO, burned with Nero, and it worked!

I'm assuming its using the iastor.sys, that's what was displayed when it was formatting the HDD anyways...

Also, the other 60GB HDD was shown when i was formatting... currently both are set to JBOD, but windows only sees the 1 60GB HDD, so how do I make use of the second one? I'm new at the whole RAID/multiple HDD thing...

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shadesters, thanks for the Last Session files.

I didnt know how to add both sets of drivers in 1 nLite session lol:
Don't know what you mean here, but you should not run nLite more than once against the same source - asking for trouble. As to using the other drive(s). After installation, right click My Computer and click on Manage. Then click on Disk Management. All your drives will be displayed here. You can then select the one(s) you did not install on and format, name, assign drive letters, etc. If you right click on a drive you will be presented with options. Enjoy, John.
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@ shadesters:

Although you obviously succeeded with the MCE installation onto your RAID, you have done something wrong.

It was not a good idea to integrate both recommended textmode drivers into the same MCE CD, because both drivers have the same name und one of them have been overwritten during the integration procedure. Nevertheless it is possible, that just by chance the wrong driver has been overwritten by the correct one.

Fernando, I used both of the ones you posted... the special one for the qosmio G and your modded Intel Matrix storage drivers for ICH6M...
No, you obviously integrated the old Intel textmode drivers v7.8.0.1012, which were linked within my guide and which you got >here<, instead of the special Toshiba RAID drivers for the Qosmio G series.

Since the official Intel textmode drivers v7.8.0.1012 only support Intel® ICH6M SATA AHCI Controllers and no Intel® ICH6M SATA RAID Controllers, I am nearly sure, that my freshly modded v8.9.0.1023 drivers have done the trick.

I'm assuming its using the iastor.sys, that's what was displayed when it was formatting the HDD anyways...
It is the IASTOR.SYS, because both driver you have integrated are using the same driver named IASTOR.SYS.
Also, the other 60GB HDD was shown when i was formatting... currently both are set to JBOD, but windows only sees the 1 60GB HDD, so how do I make use of the second one?
At first step you should open the Device Manager, open the sections "IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers" and "SCSI and RAID Controllers". Then do a screenshot of it and post it here.

Then you should check within the "SCSI and RAID Controllers" section for the driver version the "Intel® ICH6M SATA RAID Controller": Do a right click onto it > "Properties" > "Driver".

As a last step you should open the Disk Management and look for the listed drives and their drive letters. Do a screenshot too, if you can.

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I told you guys my way is much easier...just because it integrates other masssorage controllers and adds compatibility for a HUGE number of other drives does not mean its a bad thing

I actually have the same brand PC as the guy in question, so one would think I know WTF im talking about when it comes to this subject

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@ ricktendo64:

What is the intention of your message? Shadesters obviously didn't want to use the DriverPacks method, but succeeded nevertheless with the MCE installation.

Instead of criticizing him and us you should help him to solve his RAID problem, which has nothing to do with the drivers.

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@Fernando

Sorry, I didnt realize you wanted me to use one driver or the other... I clicked on the link where you posted the special Qosmio drivers, I didnt know those were old

I am going to assume that your modded drivers did the trick, as the other drivers I got from the toshiba website did absolutely nothing... and you seem to know what you are doing

Since the installation went smoothly, I am not going to re-install or anything to see which drivers actually did the trick, but like I said, I am sure that it was the modded one

@ricktendo64

Thank you for the suggestion. I would have tried that method if I didn't get so many responses so quickly, but I wanted to be sure it worked, so I was looking for specific drivers, not just a huge pack that may or may not have the correct driver. I wasted too many DVD-Rs already on my own lol

heres a screenshot, I don't see "SCSI and RAID Controllers" anywhere... they are both in JBOD mode, maybe thats why? Or is it the yellow ? named Mass Storage Controller?

post-268213-1259166662_thumb.jpg

Here's a screenshot of Disk Management

post-268213-1259166948_thumb.jpg@

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@ shadesters:

Thanks for your reply and the screenshots.

Unfortunately the "IDE ATA/ATAPI Controller" part and the missing "SCSI and RAID Controllers" part verify my apprehension, that you got the wrong textmode driver installed.

Windows installed the old official Intel textmode driver v7.8.1012, which will support Intel ICH6M SATA AHCI Controllers, but not your Intel ICH6M RAID Controller.

Although the RAID Controller has not been detected (that is the "Mass Storage Controller"), Setup identified somehow your SATA RAID Controllers as "Intel® 82801FBM SATA AHCI Controller".

Now your Device Manager situation is absolutely wrong and will prevent, that you can use your system like it should.

Since you were writing, that you integrated just the older Toshiba driver and the actual Intel textmode driver v8.9.0.1023, which I had modified for you, I suspect, that you didn't use a clean (=untouched) source, when you created the MCE CD by using nLite.

What you may try now is the following:

1. Download this driverpack and unzip it.

2. Open the Device Manager, do a right click onto the listed "Mass Storage Controller", choose to install the driver and point to the IASTOR.INF file of the just downloaded driverpack.

4. If Windows should accept the driver (you have to force the driver installation, because it is not digitally signed by MS), you should uninstall the listed "Intel® 82801FBM SATA AHCI Controller".

5. After having done that, you may reboot and pray.

If you should get a BSOD, you will have to restart the whole nLite and install procedure:

1. Copy the content of an absolutely untouched Original Windows MCE CD onto your hdd.

2. Run nLite, integrate the just downloaded and unzipped driver (and no other one!) and burn the ISO image.

3. Boot off the nLited MCE CD and install the OS.

Please post here the result of your doing and - if you succeed, add a new screenshot of your Device Manager.

Good luck!

Fernando

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