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Hey guys I'm new to this neck of the woods. This is what i would like,

I have a old compaq armada 7380dmt and i'm going to install NT4 on it.
The specs are 4gb hdd, 128mb 233mhz. This is the hard part what i want to do is only install
the core system files meaning no IE, Direct X, Media Player etc... But i would like the updated system core files.
I know there is no nlite or something for this particular version.
Now i'm going to attach a USB HDD/DVD drive through
a USB PCMCIA because it don't have usb. And this will be my server. The only thing that will be shared is the external
devices. Thanks for the heads up.

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Usually when you install NT4, it will be NT4 SP1 which comes with IE2 and no DirectX or Media Player.
Once you install SP6a you will have DirectX3.0a but don't think you will have Windows Media Player 6.4, you might have an older one mplayer.exe
I think it is possible to stop IE2 from installing but I haven't done it. If you install the network driver after SP6a and put the NT4 CD back in to copy the Networking stuff over this usually breaks stuff or means you have to install SP6a again

If you want FAT32 here is the R/W FAT32 Driver for NT4
http://www.winprj.ne...ic.php?f=7&t=84

USB Drivers for NT4, I have no idea about PCMCIA though
http://ftp1.us.dell....lity/R62200.EXE

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Thanks for the input. Also i want to remove anything that is not used by the system core files etc....
Is anyone interested in creating a un-official pack?
Sorry if i'm not clear in my post but this is my first server.
I just want a server in tip-top shape without all the extras. Just system core files and all updates for them thanks.

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 04 December 2009 - 05:52 PM.

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Theres a little bit of selection in the installer so you can make sure you don't install stuff like Windows Messaging (think thats what it is) and other stuff you don't need but that only goes so far

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... and in case you didn't know, here's the MS fixes (all of them) -
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winn...fixes/usa/nt40/

edit - err, not quite... but browse ennyhoo.

edit2 - brain-fart -
http://www.msfn.org/...ne-t130993.html

(dang - wasted a post... oh, well, maybe useful to someone else as a "pseudo-bump")

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Bearwindows made a slipstreamer. Referenced here or in the HFSLIP subforum, I forget which.
Wendy was working on an unofficial SP7 too.
Somewhere in the HFSLIP subforum is a slipstreamer that Tomcat76 made... we don't support it and don't encourage questions about it but if you do a search on nt4 sp7 it will probably come up.

I forget the exact file but sp6a replaces an NT4 system file with a driver. This was an error on MSFT's part and simply requires care if not using Tomcat's slipstreamer. We did it as a curiosity mainly and did not intend to merge it with HFSLIP.

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You mean this?
Slipstreaming NT4 SP6a

It seemed to work alright except I didn't like having all those extra files from NT4 Server like usrmgr.exe

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I think it is possible to stop IE2 from installing but I haven't done it. If you install the network driver after SP6a and put the NT4 CD back in to copy the Networking stuff over this usually breaks stuff or means you have to install SP6a again

You joking right? :blink:

NT4 has NO IE "forced upon".
That was most of the work FDV :thumbup did, removing it ALSO from 2K.

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Is there an easier way instead of the complicated slipstream method.
Sort of like packing all the updates inside a cab file and just altering the inf setup files.

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Well IE2 is included in NT4 but I guess its not forced so much I thought there was supposed to be an INF file that could be deleted so that it wouldn't be there at all.

But yeah I have broken networking by installing with NT4 SP1 source, you get problems like the server service could not start.

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I just want a server in tip-top shape

Bear in mind there's at least one unpatched vulnerability, probably more...

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Is it possible to have a NT4 sort of like this Win98 setup here?
http://www.winimize.com/

Do you guys think the USB drivers from Win2000 will work because they work on Win98?

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 09 December 2009 - 05:41 PM.

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I think fdv mentioned something about litening NT4 you should ask him.

Not sure about using 2000 USB Drivers only ever tried USB on NT4 with the Dell drivers

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AFAIK, NT4 is very specific with its driver support; if it was designed for NT4, it'll work, if not, it won't. I do know that NT4 does NOT support the WDM driver model used by 98/2000, but if my memory serves, WDM was based on NT4's. Still, I don't believe the two standards are compatible.

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I see your comment about tip top shape, Prob, and I have to ask, what role will your server play?
Because honestly there are a lot of unpatched vulns.

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I see your comment about tip top shape, Prob, and I have to ask, what role will your server play?
Because honestly there are a lot of unpatched vulns.

One reason is for my own personal server.
The other my sister just passed the bar exam and is about to start her own firm.

Also name one product from M$ that didn't have vulnerabilities. IMHO
there really is no safe Windows, some just has more problems than others.
I'm not going to keep buying Windows Software just to have them not fix the stuff thats broke.
WinXP/Vista/Windows 7 has vulnerabilities. You guys are just paying a lot more for them because i'm not.
The retro versions of Windows do just what i need. I don't need all the fancy although i love the eye candy.

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You guys are just paying a lot more for them because i'm not.


Cannot say for other people here, but putting awergh, fdv and me in the "You guys paying a lot more" is unfair. ;)

Personally, besides being notoriously cheap :ph34r: , I am also one of the few that actually still USE NT4.00 normally:
http://www.msfn.org/...i...56.html&hl=

But of course new OS have new vulnerabilities, the old ones are boring..... but still dangerous.

In other words, and of course IMHO:
Is NT 4.00 a great, simple OS? Yes.
Is it appropriate today as a server? No, unless you have a "vintage" machine that always ran it, with all the drivers for the hardware, and still you are exposed to some unpatched vulnerabilities.
Would 2000 be better? Yes, because it has better hardware support and some added features.


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In other words, and of course IMHO:
Is NT 4.00 a great, simple OS? Yes.
Is it appropriate today as a server? No, unless you have a "vintage" machine that always ran it, with all the drivers for the hardware, and still you are exposed to some unpatched vulnerabilities.
Would 2000 be better? Yes, because it has better hardware support and some added features.

? You don't have Win2k?
http://www.msfn.org/...pid-776383.html
http://www.msfn.org/...p;view=findpost
Update/Strip it down using nLite...

Not saying don't use NT4, just wondering... As for security, a good router might suffice (you did mention it was only for server purposes)...

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Yes i do a have a Win 2000 Pro cd but i need it to be ran as a server and i don't know how that works.
Can a Win 2000 Pro system act as a VPN server because i read only a server can act as a server.
Thanks to you all.

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 14 December 2009 - 04:46 PM.

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http://en.wikipedia....private_network
Ok, I kinda understand... Maybe a better question would be... what is the whole picture intent (e.g. what is the basic "equipment hookup", what are the basic "requirements", does it justify the need for VPN, etc?)... It might help in assisting with your setup with what tools you have available or can easily obtain.
[url="http://"http://"]http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/overview.html[/url]
https://secure.logme...ducts/hamachi2/
Otherwise, ????

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Well I have some good news, my Dell C600 Latitude has NT4 Server drivers. I'm going to take Windows XP off and install NT4. Before I do this I want to install only the core system network/server drivers. I need someone to help me strip it down to the bare minimum, that includes all the service pack updates. I hope you guys understand what I am saying.

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Well I have some good news, my Dell C600 Latitude has NT4 Server drivers. I'm going to take Windows XP off and install NT4. Before I do this I want to install only the core system network/server drivers. I need someone to help me strip it down to the bare minimum, that includes all the service pack updates. I hope you guys understand what I am saying.



But what do you want to strip down more?
When you set up NT4 you do have options what to install - just don't select anything you don't need (like ancient "wallpapers" or such).
Don't select anything, and you'll have almost bare core NT4.
"i want to do is only install
the core system files meaning no IE, Direct X, Media Player etc..."
none of it is ever installed, except for IE3 (which is harmless for as long as you install i.e. K-Meleon and set it as default browser, or you can remove it manually entirely).

I suggest:
Setup NT4
Install SP6a
Install SRP1 (Q299444)
done

Then do patching manually (either install post-SRP1 patches one by one, or extract them and combine their newer file versions into one single "superpatch" - it'll save you doing it again and again if you plan on doing similar installation in the future)

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Well I have some good news, my Dell C600 Latitude has NT4 Server drivers. I'm going to take Windows XP off and install NT4. Before I do this I want to install only the core system network/server drivers. I need someone to help me strip it down to the bare minimum, that includes all the service pack updates. I hope you guys understand what I am saying.



But what do you want to strip down more?
When you set up NT4 you do have options what to install - just don't select anything you don't need (like ancient "wallpapers" or such).
Don't select anything, and you'll have almost bare core NT4.
"i want to do is only install
the core system files meaning no IE, Direct X, Media Player etc..."
none of it is ever installed, except for IE3 (which is harmless for as long as you install i.e. K-Meleon and set it as default browser, or you can remove it manually entirely).

I suggest:
Setup NT4
Install SP6a
Install SRP1 (Q299444)
done

Then do patching manually (either install post-SRP1 patches one by one, or extract them and combine their newer file versions into one single "superpatch" - it'll save you doing it again and again if you plan on doing similar installation in the future)

Thanks alot all you guys as i said before i'm not too familiar with NT4. I think i got it from here.
One more thing, how do I install it on a 80 gig harddrive?

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I think the question is what file system do you want, if you want NTFS create a small 2GB partition and then once you have installed SP6a then use a partitioning program to extend the partition to full size.

If you want FAT32 I think you will need to create a FAT16/NTFS Partition NTFS about 2GB, FAT16 almost 4GB, and then install the FAT32 driver for NT4 and format a FAT32 partition as the big partition


You could i guess use lots of FAT16 Partitions but that might not be good to have 19 Partitions

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I"ll try to use NTFS as suggested by awergh.
Also are there any Win2000/XP files that I can use on my server?
Am I missing any updates or do I need to get rid of some of them?

Here is a list of all my updates.

PSAPI.DLL
ALTPNT.EXE
CABSDK.EXE
CREATALS_X86.EXE
DFS_V41_I386.EXE
DSCLIENT.EXE
DST_NT4.EXE
EXPLORNT.EXE
FIXRASI.EXE
FMNT.EXE
GDIPLUS.EXE
GRPHFLTS.EXE
HHUPD.EXE
HOTFIXI.EXE
IMMC.EXE
INSTMSIW.EXE
JET40-KB837001-ENU.EXE
JS56MEN.EXE
MSAA20_RDK.EXE
MSL2TP.EXE
NT282949.EXE
NT324687.EXE
NT912919.EXE
NT924667.EXE
OLEUP.EXE
PAINTNT.EXE
Q243649.EXE
Q243835I.EXE
Q246045.EXE
Q247869I.EXE
Q248183.EXE
Q248399I.EXE
Q249108I.EXE
Q249973I.EXE
Q257870I.EXE
Q258437I.EXE
Q259496I.EXE
Q259622I.EXE
Q259728I.EXE
Q262694I.EXE
Q265714I.EXE
Q266433I.EXE
Q269049I.EXE
Q269239I.EXE
Q275567I.EXE
Q276575I.EXE
Q278499I.EXE
Q279336I.EXE
Q280119I.EXE
Q299444I.EXE
Q300987I.EXE
Q304158I.EXE
Q305399I.EXE
Q312895I.EXE
Q313829I.EXE
Q314147I.EXE
Q318138I.EXE
Q320206I.EXE
Q323172I.EXE
Q326830I.EXE
Q328310I.EXE
Q329115I.EXE
Q810833I.EXE
Q811493I.EXE
Q815021I.EXE
Q817606I.EXE
Q819696I.EXE
Q823492I.EXE
Q823980I.EXE
Q831579S.EXE
Q841373I.EXE
Q920670.EXE
Q932590.EXE
Q961371.EXE
R62200.EXE
RBUPDATE.EXE
RICHEDNT.EXE
SCR56NT.EXE
SERVICNT.EXE
SHFINST.EXE
SP6I386.EXE
TTFEXT.EXE
TTFPAK.EXE
VB6-KB924053-X86-ENU.EXE
VB6-KB946235-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWS-KB823559-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4-KB840315-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4-KB890175-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4OPTIONPACK-KB883935-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB823182-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB823803-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB824105-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB824141-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB824146-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB825119-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB828028-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB828035-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB828741-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB830352-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB835732-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB839645-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB840987-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB841356-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB841533-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB841872-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB870763-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB873339-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB873350-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB885249-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB885834-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB885835-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB885836-X86-ENU.EXE
WINDOWSNT4SERVER-KB891711-X86-ENU.EXE
WMINT4.EXE
WPNPINS.EXE
XP828854.EXE
NTFILES.REG
NT4SERV.ZIP
NT4VU3_RC1-SERVER.ZIP

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 05 February 2010 - 12:34 PM.

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