[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Hey guys I'm new to this neck of the woods. This is what i would like,

I have a old compaq armada 7380dmt and i'm going to install NT4 on it.
The specs are 4gb hdd, 128mb 233mhz. This is the hard part what i want to do is only install
the core system files meaning no IE, Direct X, Media Player etc... But i would like the updated system core files.
I know there is no nlite or something for this particular version.
Now i'm going to attach a USB HDD/DVD drive through
a USB PCMCIA because it don't have usb. And this will be my server. The only thing that will be shared is the external
devices. Thanks for the heads up.

[awergh]

Usually when you install NT4, it will be NT4 SP1 which comes with IE2 and no DirectX or Media Player.
Once you install SP6a you will have DirectX3.0a but don't think you will have Windows Media Player 6.4, you might have an older one mplayer.exe
I think it is possible to stop IE2 from installing but I haven't done it. If you install the network driver after SP6a and put the NT4 CD back in to copy the Networking stuff over this usually breaks stuff or means you have to install SP6a again

If you want FAT32 here is the R/W FAT32 Driver for NT4
http://www.winprj.ne...ic.php?f=7&t=84

USB Drivers for NT4, I have no idea about PCMCIA though
http://ftp1.us.dell....lity/R62200.EXE

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Thanks for the input. Also i want to remove anything that is not used by the system core files etc....
Is anyone interested in creating a un-official pack?
Sorry if i'm not clear in my post but this is my first server.
I just want a server in tip-top shape without all the extras. Just system core files and all updates for them thanks.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 04 December 2009 - 05:52 PM

[awergh]

Theres a little bit of selection in the installer so you can make sure you don't install stuff like Windows Messaging (think thats what it is) and other stuff you don't need but that only goes so far

[submix8c]

... and in case you didn't know, here's the MS fixes (all of them) -
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winn...fixes/usa/nt40/

edit - err, not quite... but browse ennyhoo.

edit2 - brain-fart -
http://www.msfn.org/...ne-t130993.html

(dang - wasted a post... oh, well, maybe useful to someone else as a "pseudo-bump")

This post has been edited by submix8c: 04 December 2009 - 07:10 PM

[fdv]

Bearwindows made a slipstreamer. Referenced here or in the HFSLIP subforum, I forget which.
Wendy was working on an unofficial SP7 too.
Somewhere in the HFSLIP subforum is a slipstreamer that Tomcat76 made... we don't support it and don't encourage questions about it but if you do a search on nt4 sp7 it will probably come up.

I forget the exact file but sp6a replaces an NT4 system file with a driver. This was an error on MSFT's part and simply requires care if not using Tomcat's slipstreamer. We did it as a curiosity mainly and did not intend to merge it with HFSLIP.

[awergh]

You mean this?
Slipstreaming NT4 SP6a

It seemed to work alright except I didn't like having all those extra files from NT4 Server like usrmgr.exe

[jaclaz]

awergh, on Dec 5 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

I think it is possible to stop IE2 from installing but I haven't done it. If you install the network driver after SP6a and put the NT4 CD back in to copy the Networking stuff over this usually breaks stuff or means you have to install SP6a again

You joking right?

NT4 has NO IE "forced upon".
That was most of the work FDV did, removing it ALSO from 2K.

jaclaz

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Is there an easier way instead of the complicated slipstream method.
Sort of like packing all the updates inside a cab file and just altering the inf setup files.

[awergh]

Well IE2 is included in NT4 but I guess its not forced so much I thought there was supposed to be an INF file that could be deleted so that it wouldn't be there at all.

But yeah I have broken networking by installing with NT4 SP1 source, you get problems like the server service could not start.

[uid0]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on Dec 4 2009, 11:48 PM, said:

I just want a server in tip-top shape

Bear in mind there's at least one unpatched vulnerability, probably more...

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Is it possible to have a NT4 sort of like this Win98 setup here?
http://www.winimize.com/

Do you guys think the USB drivers from Win2000 will work because they work on Win98?

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 09 December 2009 - 05:41 PM

[awergh]

I think fdv mentioned something about litening NT4 you should ask him.

Not sure about using 2000 USB Drivers only ever tried USB on NT4 with the Dell drivers

[Sl@y3D for my n@me]

AFAIK, NT4 is very specific with its driver support; if it was designed for NT4, it'll work, if not, it won't. I do know that NT4 does NOT support the WDM driver model used by 98/2000, but if my memory serves, WDM was based on NT4's. Still, I don't believe the two standards are compatible.

This post has been edited by Sl@y3D for my n@me: 10 December 2009 - 03:07 PM

[fdv]

I see your comment about tip top shape, Prob, and I have to ask, what role will your server play?
Because honestly there are a lot of unpatched vulns.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

fdv, on Dec 10 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

I see your comment about tip top shape, Prob, and I have to ask, what role will your server play?
Because honestly there are a lot of unpatched vulns.

One reason is for my own personal server.
The other my sister just passed the bar exam and is about to start her own firm.

Also name one product from M$ that didn't have vulnerabilities. IMHO
there really is no safe Windows, some just has more problems than others.
I'm not going to keep buying Windows Software just to have them not fix the stuff thats broke.
WinXP/Vista/Windows 7 has vulnerabilities. You guys are just paying a lot more for them because i'm not.
The retro versions of Windows do just what i need. I don't need all the fancy although i love the eye candy.

[jaclaz]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on Dec 11 2009, 11:00 PM, said:

You guys are just paying a lot more for them because i'm not.

Cannot say for other people here, but putting awergh, fdv and me in the "You guys paying a lot more" is unfair.

Personally, besides being notoriously cheap , I am also one of the few that actually still USE NT4.00 normally:
http://www.msfn.org/board/still-running-wi...56.html&hl=

But of course new OS have new vulnerabilities, the old ones are boring..... but still dangerous.

In other words, and of course IMHO:
Is NT 4.00 a great, simple OS? Yes.
Is it appropriate today as a server? No, unless you have a "vintage" machine that always ran it, with all the drivers for the hardware, and still you are exposed to some unpatched vulnerabilities.
Would 2000 be better? Yes, because it has better hardware support and some added features.


jaclaz

[submix8c]

jaclaz, on Dec 11 2009, 06:11 PM, said:

In other words, and of course IMHO:
Is NT 4.00 a great, simple OS? Yes.
Is it appropriate today as a server? No, unless you have a "vintage" machine that always ran it, with all the drivers for the hardware, and still you are exposed to some unpatched vulnerabilities.
Would 2000 be better? Yes, because it has better hardware support and some added features.

? You don't have Win2k?
http://www.msfn.org/...pid-776383.html
http://www.msfn.org/board/windows-98se-t13...p;view=findpost
Update/Strip it down using nLite...

Not saying don't use NT4, just wondering... As for security, a good router might suffice (you did mention it was only for server purposes)...

This post has been edited by submix8c: 12 December 2009 - 10:56 AM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Yes i do a have a Win 2000 Pro cd but i need it to be ran as a server and i don't know how that works.
Can a Win 2000 Pro system act as a VPN server because i read only a server can act as a server.
Thanks to you all.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 14 December 2009 - 04:46 PM

[submix8c]

http://en.wikipedia....private_network
Ok, I kinda understand... Maybe a better question would be... what is the whole picture intent (e.g. what is the basic "equipment hookup", what are the basic "requirements", does it justify the need for VPN, etc?)... It might help in assisting with your setup with what tools you have available or can easily obtain.
http://openvpn.net/i...e/overview.html
https://secure.logme...ducts/hamachi2/
Otherwise, ????

This post has been edited by submix8c: 15 December 2009 - 01:11 PM