[n6666661]

Hi, this is my first post here, but I have been reading the first post of this thread at least 150 time ...

So I have run xbootmgr -trace boot -traceFlags BASE+CSWITCH+POWER -postBootDelay 30 to trace boot on a fresh install of Windows 7 SP1 64bit.

-All Windows updates done.
-All my bios/Orom are updated to the very last version.
-All my drivers too.

I "bootDoneViaExplorer" in 10.5s witch is not bad BUT reading the .etl boot traces I can clearly see a "gap" of at least 2.5s in graphs where there is no CPU activity, no disk activity, no IO, no Generic Events

It looks like the major delay is caused by "Contrôleur audio haute définition" (Hight definition audio in english I think) but Im not sure.

If you could have a look to my .etl
here are the .etl and the XML in .rar


Thanks for your help.

[MagicAndre1981]

n6666661, on 30 April 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

It looks like the major delay is caused by "Contrôleur audio haute définition" (Hight definition audio in english I think) but Im not sure.

your Windows boot in 10s to the desktop and is fully booted in 13s.

And yes the Audio HD controller causes the delay:

Quote

"PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_84181043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&D8"


Provider Name, Field 2, Time (s), Task Name, Stack, Count, Opcode Name, Field 1, Field 3, Field 4, Field 5, Field 6, Field 7, Field 8, Field 9, Field 10, Field 11, Field 12, Field 13, Field 14, Field 15
, "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_84181043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&D8", , , , 7, , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , 2.398196733, DeviceStart, ?, 1, win:Start, 60, , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , 2.398208177, DeviceStart, ?, 1, win:Suspend, 60, , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , 5.660206738, DeviceStart, ?, 1, win:Stop, 60, 0, 0, "", 0, , , , , , , , ,

So update the ATI/AMD graphic drivers to update the HDMI sound driver and the realtek sound driver and see if this fixes it.

The other thing I see is the Acronis service (nonstop backup) takes some time to start.

[n6666661]

MagicAndre1981, on 30 April 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

n6666661, on 30 April 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

It looks like the major delay is caused by "Contrôleur audio haute définition" (Hight definition audio in english I think) but Im not sure.

your Windows boot in 10s to the desktop and is fully booted in 13s.

And yes the Audio HD controller causes the delay:

Quote

"PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_84181043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&D8"


Provider Name, Field 2, Time (s), Task Name, Stack, Count, Opcode Name, Field 1, Field 3, Field 4, Field 5, Field 6, Field 7, Field 8, Field 9, Field 10, Field 11, Field 12, Field 13, Field 14, Field 15
, "PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_84181043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&D8", , , , 7, , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , 2.398196733, DeviceStart, ?, 1, win:Start, 60, , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , 2.398208177, DeviceStart, ?, 1, win:Suspend, 60, , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , 5.660206738, DeviceStart, ?, 1, win:Stop, 60, 0, 0, "", 0, , , , , , , , ,

So update the ATI/AMD graphic drivers to update the HDMI sound driver and the realtek sound driver and see if this fixes it.

The other thing I see is the Acronis service (nonstop backup) takes some time to start.

Many thanks for answering that quicly

The only way I have found to reduce this delay is to disable de audio device in the bios

No matter what driver I use for both AMD video HD audio and Realtek onboard : the very exact same delay occur.


But what is strange is that in the device manager the culprit "high definition audio" PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_84181043&REV_05\3&11583659&0&D8 is listed in the "system device" and NOT in "audio, video controlers".
So the driver this device use during the boot phase seams to be a default Microsoft one while under Windows it use Realtek one?

[MagicAndre1981]

n6666661, on 30 April 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

The only way I have found to reduce this delay is to disable de audio device in the bios

No matter what driver I use for both AMD video HD audio and Realtek onboard : the very exact same delay occur.

But what is strange is that in the device manager the culprit "high definition audio" is listed in the "system device" and NOT in "audio, video controlers".

I have no idea why this is so. Do you really care about this 2 seconds? 13s is very good. With Win8s hybrid/fast bootthe resume of devices should be faster. Have you tried Win8?

[n6666661]

I prefer to wait a litle for Win8.
But I would probably try it in VM first.

That said, I think there is one thing I didn't try : flash my Radeon back to its original bios
I did flashed it a year or so and I muust admit that I have completly forgotten it

****...4 days now that I m fighting thoose ##£££^£})à++ing 2 or 3 seconds delay....

[MagicAndre1981]

hyhrid/fast boot doesn't work in a VM.

But I can't see the relevance of the flashed BIOS.

[n6666661]

MagicAndre1981, on 30 April 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

hyhrid/fast boot doesn't work in a VM.

But I can't see the relevance of the flashed BIOS.

Well, the Radeon video card has also some drivers for the audio so I guess that at least some of its hardware has some audio related parts.
I was hopping that it could be a conflict with this Radeon parts and my onboard Realtek audio since Radeon'sbios wasn't the original one.

So I have try to find its original bios and flashed it = no change

This post has been edited by n6666661: 30 April 2012 - 03:52 PM

[MagicAndre1981]

yes, this audio is used for HDMI. Again, do you really care about this 2 s? 13s to boot is very good Other would be happy to have this.

[piotrgrz]

Hi for everyone.

I've a problem with my Windows 7 Pro 64-bit on HP EliteBook 6930p with Samsung 830 SSD disk. Start time is about 80-130 sec, too long. I check many things, but with no results.
I prepare two etl file (by xbootmgr with your instrutctions on first page). They are available at https://rapidshare.c...16086/Boot.rar.
I suspect WmiPrvSE.exe and LogonUI.exe processes to Windows delay, but i cannot find any hard proof for this.

Could you please to help me with this problem?

Many thanks!

[MagicAndre1981]

can you please upload it to your SkyDrive/dropbox or a faster free file hoster (zippyshare.com or mediafire.com)? RS is soo slow for a free user (16kb/s).

[piotrgrz]

New link for my files (two post above):
https://skydrive.liv...880049AA7A0!121

[MagicAndre1981]

ok, loading your profile is extremely slow. can please you try this hotfix:

Unexpectedly slow startup or logon process in Windows Server 2008 R2 or in Windows 7

http://support.micro...b/2617858/en-us

Quote

When you perform one of the following operations on a computer that is running Windows Server 2008 R2 or Windows 7, the operation may take a long time to complete:

Start the computer
Log on to Windows

For example, the computer takes three or more minutes to start.

CAUSE
This issue occurs because the Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) component unnecessarily performs a full validation of the WMI repository.

Note A full validation of the WMI repository is a time-consuming operation.

Does it help?

[piotrgrz]

Thanks for HotFix. But installation do nothing.
I see Hotfix at Control Panel -> Programs -> Programs and features -> Installed Updates --> Microsoft Windows: Hotfix for Microsoft Windows (KB2617858), installed today.

After two times of laptop restarting, i try one again xbootmgr. Results (with evtx file: Boot_Performance_Monitor_2012-05-01__eventId100.evtx):
https://skydrive.liv...880049AA7A0!121

[MagicAndre1981]

the hotfix worked for the WMI issue. Is is now completely gone.

But loading profile is still slow. I need more data. Start ProcessMonitor and activate boot logging. Now run the xbootmgr command. After reboot, start ProcessMonitor again and save the data into a PML file. Stop the xbootmgr log and compress all files and upload them.

[piotrgrz]

You need, i deliver ;-)
https://skydrive.liv...880049AA7A0!121

[MagicAndre1981]

piotrgrz, on 01 May 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

You need, i deliver ;-)
https://skydrive.liv...880049AA7A0!121

I have no idea. You have several tools which interact during logon (McAfee, Check Point Identity Agent, Validity Sensors Fingerprint).

Do the old Clean boot approach to find which 3rd party tool causes the issue:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929135

[n6666661]

I have Googled a litle but I can't find or anderstand what are exactly "Hard Faults".

Since I have some, I have randomly downloaded some user .etl and it seams that all PCs have this kind of "Hard Faults".

Do you know what this UFO is?

[MagicAndre1981]

read this :

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Page_fault

[n6666661]

MagicAndre1981, on 03 May 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

read this :

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Page_fault

thank.
I will re-read it

[Woomera]

when i copy paste the command to cmd it says xbootmgr is not a recognized command. i have installed all the necessary files according to the tutorial.