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#1 User is offline   PROBLEMCHYLD 

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 04:22 PM

I'm not sure if I want my computer ran as a Network so many other computers can connect, or ran as a Server, for the same reasons.
Me personally, I thought they were the same but I was wrong. Now what confuses me, I'm not sure the best way to go. What I mean is
you have Active Directory, DHCP, VPN, DNS, etc.... Now my Network/Server will have Windows 2000 pro on it as the OS.
Other computers will not have access to the machine but will have access to the external devices such as the Printer, DVD-ROM, HDD.
I will be the only with privileges and would like to connect only through VPN. Not sure how the other computer will connect.
VPN only allow one connection at a time, and thats cool since I will be the only one with privileges.
Can somebody help me out?

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 17 April 2010 - 11:20 AM



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Posted 26 March 2010 - 06:34 AM

View PostPROBLEMCHYLD, on 25 March 2010 - 04:22 PM, said:

you have Active Directory, DHCP, VPN, DNS, etc.... Now my Network/Server will have Windows 2000 pro on it as the OS.

You'd need win2000 server not pro for most of that.

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 09:42 AM

View Postuid0, on 26 March 2010 - 06:34 AM, said:

View PostPROBLEMCHYLD, on 25 March 2010 - 04:22 PM, said:

you have Active Directory, DHCP, VPN, DNS, etc.... Now my Network/Server will have Windows 2000 pro on it as the OS.

You'd need win2000 server not pro for most of that.

What I means is, I don't want to use them all. I just want to use the best network/server scheme.
I'm sure there's another way instead of buying a win 2000 server disc. I'm not giving M$ no more of my hard earned
so they can kill support for it soon. I'm trying to figure out of the above what type of server/network should I used
along side with vpn. VPN will be mandatory. Thanks

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 12:14 AM

Windows 2000 Professional does not include RRAS, a component mandatory for VPN connections, only the server OS's do.

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 01:31 PM

View Postnitropuppy, on 27 March 2010 - 12:14 AM, said:

Windows 2000 Professional does not include RRAS, a component mandatory for VPN connections, only the server OS's do.

You are right, but know we are past that beacuse M$ adminpak.msi allows me to use RRAS and other tools such as

FeCERTConsole Certification Authority
FeClusterConsole Cluster Administrator
FeCMAKConsole Connection Manager Administration Kit
FeDHCPConsole DHCP
FeDFSConsole Distributed File System
FeDNSConsole DNS
FeIASConsole Internet Authentication Service
FeIISConsole Internet Services Manager
FeACSConsole QoS Admission Control
FeRSConsole Remote Storage
FeRRASConsole Routing and Remote Access
FeTAPIConsole Telephony
FeTSClientConsole Terminal Services Client
FeTSMgrConsole Terminal Services Tools
FeWINSConsole WINS
FeADTools Active Directory Tools

All I want to do is allow family and friends to connect to my computer and share my files
Now that I have the necessary tools that I need which is the best one to use and secure
for my network/server

DNS, DHCP, VPN, TCP/IP,Active Directory etc......

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 11:29 PM

As described in this kb, the adminpack only installs the administration tools, NOT the services! I still stand by my previous post. The administration tools will only allow you to remotely control the respective services on a DEDICATED server OS, not on the local machine running a workstation OS Posted Image

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 12:43 PM

View Postnitropuppy, on 27 March 2010 - 11:29 PM, said:

As described in this kb, the adminpack only installs the administration tools, NOT the services! I still stand by my previous post. The administration tools will only allow you to remotely control the respective services on a DEDICATED server OS, not on the local machine running a workstation OS Posted Image

Okay, Okay! I have 2000 Pro, I'm allowed 10 connections to my machine.
What method do I use to connect 10 other machines to my computer. Thanks a lot nitropuppy. I'm really
new to the NT world.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 02:49 PM

After some digging I managed to find these kb's: 1, 2, 3 for you to read. Apparently, my memory got a bit rusty, you are allowed up to 3 connections on a 200 pro machine...

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:25 PM

View Postnitropuppy, on 28 March 2010 - 02:49 PM, said:

After some digging I managed to find these kb's: 1, 2, 3 for you to read. Apparently, my memory got a bit rusty, you are allowed up to 3 connections on a 200 pro machine...

Ok but when I run (Net Config Server)or something It tells me I have 10 user max logon.
I'm starting not to like NT systems or maybe I just need to learn more about them.

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Posted 03 April 2010 - 06:15 PM

What about the little tweak. Its IP Routing
http://www.windowsne...s/w2kprout.html

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 12:15 AM

If you really want to test a client/server environment, know that you can download Server 2008 R2 on a trial basis - that would be my suggestion. Hacking your OS to run as a server is 1. going to be difficult (not totally impossible, but difficult); 2. violate the EULA for use of the client OS; 3. can be done easily with downloadable trial of 2008 R2, so why work so hard to do it the hard way? ;)

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 05:31 PM

View Postcluberti, on 18 April 2010 - 12:15 AM, said:

If you really want to test a client/server environment, know that you can download Server 2008 R2 on a trial basis - that would be my suggestion. Hacking your OS to run as a server is 1. going to be difficult (not totally impossible, but difficult); 2. violate the EULA for use of the client OS; 3. can be done easily with downloadable trial of 2008 R2, so why work so hard to do it the hard way? ;)

What about if i just get a router and add mac addresses for people to connect. I then should have as many as I
want right?

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 07:06 PM

View PostPROBLEMCHYLD, on 19 April 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

What about if i just get a router and add mac addresses for people to connect. I then should have as many as I want right?

:blink: That didn't make any sense at all.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 06:50 AM

View PostCoffeeFiend, on 19 April 2010 - 07:06 PM, said:

View PostPROBLEMCHYLD, on 19 April 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

What about if i just get a router and add mac addresses for people to connect. I then should have as many as I want right?

:blink: That didn't make any sense at all.

Well you should help it make sense.
If you know the solution to the problem then you post it instead of sucking up the bandwidth.
All I want to do is connect multiple computers to my system to share files. I thought a router was a solution but I guess not.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 07:19 AM

View PostPROBLEMCHYLD, on 27 March 2010 - 01:31 PM, said:

All I want to do is allow family and friends to connect to my computer and share my files

In my opinion, you're going about this all wrong. All you need is an FTP server to share files. Anything else is overkill. What's more, you can install an FTP server on any OS, for FREE (Filezilla works very well).

You just need to figure out how to forward the necessary ports through your router/firewall.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 07:31 AM

That would work great for files, but, is there a way that would allow him to also connect to "external devices such as the Printer, DVD-ROM", as he originally mentioned? Im a bit rusty with FTP servers, so forgive me if that was a stupid question.

Cheers and Regards

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 07:49 AM

Again, in my opinion, allowing anybody unfettered external access to hardware is a bad idea. Specifically:

  • Printer — It's possible to set up a LAN print server and allow access from the web, but local access is necessary to clear paper jams and check the output. It would be better for family and friends to send the file to the FTP server for PROBLEMCHYLD to print himself, to ensure that it prints correctly.

  • Hard drive — Very bad idea. Never allow external access to the root of a hard drive, especially the OS system drive. Ignorant users could read or write to all files on that drive. Use your FTP server software to share specific folders that others can access instead.

  • CD-ROM or DVD-ROM — Another bad idea. If you're playing a game or watching a movie, external access will disrupt whatever you're doing that needs that drive. If you're backing up sensitive information to the drive, you could lose it.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 03:15 PM

View Post5eraph, on 20 April 2010 - 07:49 AM, said:

Again, in my opinion, allowing anybody unfettered external access to hardware is a bad idea. Specifically:

  • Printer — It's possible to set up a LAN print server and allow access from the web, but local access is necessary to clear paper jams and check the output. It would be better for family and friends to send the file to the FTP server for PROBLEMCHYLD to print himself, to ensure that it prints correctly.

  • Hard drive — Very bad idea. Never allow external access to the root of a hard drive, especially the OS system drive. Ignorant users could read or write to all files on that drive. Use your FTP server software to share specific folders that others can access instead.

  • CD-ROM or DVD-ROM — Another bad idea. If you're playing a game or watching a movie, external access will disrupt whatever you're doing that needs that drive. If you're backing up sensitive information to the drive, you could lose it.


Ok thanks for trying to help. I want people to connect to the external devices, I'm aware of the liability and problems that can occur.
This is why they will only use external, and not internal devices. I will give filezilla a shot.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 04:25 PM

Ok, this is what I'm trying to do.

I have a computer with Windows 2000 Pro update to the latest.

I have a Internet connection using broadband, 10mpbs.

I will buy a linksys router for extra security.

I will be using RealPopup network tool, to communicate with other computers thats on my network.

I want family and friends to connect to my computer through the internet because everybody live in different states
and cities, so a local network is out of the ?.

I haven't bought my external devices yet because I want to be sure I can share them. I know how to do this part.

Whats the (BEST) solution to my problem?

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 05:56 PM

The trouble is, I don't believe Windows can differentiate between an internally connected device and and externally connected peripheral. A hard drive is a hard drive is a hard drive. I believe the same goes for optical drives.

If you don't plan on using the machine then you could allow others to remotely log in and use it one at a time with software like UltraVNC. But this is a rather extreme approach to your problem.

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