[CharlesF]

Opera 10.60 is running fine with KernelEx 4.5 Beta 2 here.

I have got a big speed improvement in Peacekeeper browser test since version 10.54.

[cdoublejj]

so kernel ex doesn't make 98 use more ram or cpu speed. is it just set of files new programs are dependent on?

[M()zart]

cdoublejj, on 03 July 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

so kernel ex doesn't make 98 use more ram or cpu speed. is it just set of files new programs are dependent on?

Yes, it just enables some new programs. No, it not just set of files. It patches Kernel32.dll and implement some APIs that are not implemented in Windows 98. You cannot achieve such effect just by adding/replacing some files with newer ones (because newer ones from MS, where these APIs are implemented, are created for newer Windows systems and will not work on Windows 98).

[loblo]

Yes it patches kernel32.dll but this is very minimal, just a few bytes I think, all the actual code being in the new dlls it installs.

If you want to disable KernelEx from running at all after it's installed, you can just delete its startup registry key under MPRServices and the systerm will run on next boot as a normal unpatched system despite Kernel32 being patched, the patch of Kernel32 just provides an entry point for the new dlls as I understand it and doesn't affect its normal functionality if the KerneEx files aren't present or initialized.

[cdoublejj]

interesting, it makes me wonder about different things like running newer anti virus. or if it affects patches sounds like a fully patched 98se is required first wich i have. i wonder how ram hungery the newer internet browsers are?

[M()zart]

cdoublejj, on 05 July 2010 - 11:29 PM, said:

i wonder how ram hungery the newer internet browsers are?

Opera is not so hungry. I think under Win98 128 Mb will be enough for everything, and it will run on 64 Mb. Firefox is much more hungry.

[cdoublejj]

firefox can take over a gig. man did things start running faster after killing it off. grant it i only have had that happen on xp.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Replace the opera.dll from 10.54 and 10.6 should work. I'm using it now.
I read this on the opera forum and it works. Don't know if it loses functions or stabilty or what not.

[Dave-H]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 07 July 2010 - 03:56 PM, said:

Replace the opera.dll from 10.54 and 10.6 should work. I'm using it now.
I read this on the opera forum and it works. Don't know if it loses functions or stabilty or what not.

As I said to someone over there, I'm not sure if you've really still got Opera 10.60 if you replace the dll with an earlier one!
I'm not sure how much of the update is in the dll, and how much is in the exe and other files.
For myself, I've just installed KernelEx 4.0 and Opera 10.60 is now running fine un-modified!

[loblo]

 As Opera.exe is less than 100kb and Opera.dll is around 3.5Mb, it's not difficult to figure out that most of the code by far is in the dll and that replacing the dll from 10.60 by a 10.54 one to have a 10.60 browser doesn't make any sense whatsoever.  

This post has been edited by loblo: 07 July 2010 - 08:30 PM

[lightning slinger]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 07 July 2010 - 03:56 PM, said:

Replace the opera.dll from 10.54 and 10.6 should work. I'm using it now.
I read this on the opera forum and it works. Don't know if it loses functions or stabilty or what not.

IMHO

Replacing opera.dll 10.60 with that from 10.54 will still for the most part give you Opera 10.54. Have you checked what version it says under Help - About Opera with that dll in place. 

[Dave-H]

Although Opera 10.60 seems to be running fine for me with KernelEx installed, I have now run into a problem with java.
I used to use Java 5 Update 22 with Windows 98, and it worked fine in IE6 and Opera 10.5x.
I've now got Java 6 update 21 working fine in Windows 98 as far as IE goes, but it will not work in Opera.
I'm just getting a blank white space where the plugin should be.
Has anyone actually got this to work?

This post has been edited by Dave-H: 01 August 2010 - 05:53 PM

[halohalo]

http://my.opera.com/...idate-for-10-61

It seems that 10.61 RC2 fixes the crash problem on 98.

[Atmosphere XG]

Has anyone tried Opera 10.7 as of yet?

It works superb on Windows 2000.

I may try it on my old computer that has Windows 98.

http://my.opera.com/...-presto-updates

This post has been edited by Atmosphere XG: 10 August 2010 - 10:34 AM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

The new Opera 10.61 installs without KernelEX.

[Prozactive]

That's good to know. I've found that enabling KernelEx (4.5 RC1) causes Opera 10.54 to crash frequently. Disabling KernelEx seems to have greatly increased its stability.

[halohalo]

Opera 10.70 b9034 also fixes the problem under Windows 98.

http://my.opera.com/...team/blog/b9034

[chromatic47]

I have Opera 10.62 build 3500 installed and running fine on plain Win98se.

For anybody running Win95, here are instructions how to get Opera 10.6x working, with some hex edit and file juggling:

http://my.opera.com/...c.dml?id=763572

I can't vouch for its success, just thought I'd pass it on.

[Andrew T.]

chromatic47, on 10 October 2010 - 10:31 AM, said:

I have Opera 10.62 build 3500 installed and running fine on plain Win98se.

For anybody running Win95, here are instructions how to get Opera 10.6x working, with some hex edit and file juggling:

http://my.opera.com/...c.dml?id=763572

I can't vouch for its success, just thought I'd pass it on.

Success!



To clarify, these are the only steps required on an installation without multiple user profiles: 1) Extract opera.dll with the designated tool (UPX). 2) With hex editor (I personally use XVI32), change "DuplicateTokenEx" reference in opera.exe to "DuplicateToken." 3) Change "InterlockedCompareExchange" in opera.dll to "InterlockedExchange," and "GlobalMemoryStatusEx" to "GlobalMemoryStatus." In all cases, I added null characters to the strings to retain the original byte lengths.

While I can't vouch for the virtues of Opera 10.6's default interface (What happened to the menu bar?) or performance (Strange effects happen when the program runs out of virtual memory, which happens fairly quickly)...it runs!

[chromatic47]

Andrew T., on 15 October 2010 - 11:13 AM, said:

While I can't vouch for the virtues of Opera 10.6's default interface (What happened to the menu bar?) or performance (Strange effects happen when the program runs out of virtual memory, which happens fairly quickly)...it runs!

Menu bar can be enabled by clicking the red Menu button -> "Show menu bar". To get the button back type "opera:config" in the address bar and do a Quick Find for "menu"; look under User Prefs and uncheck the Show Menu box.

To conserve virtual memory you could try disabling the RAM cache altogether (it's preset to Auto) and just use the disk cache: CTRL+F12 (Preferences) -> Advanced tab -> History -> Memory Cache -> Off.

Depending on your processor power, you might also benefit from turning off the tab thumbnails and zoom animations. I always also disable entirely the voice command interface, Opera Unite, Opera link, and notification sounds/beeps ... basically all the bells I never use.

Good to know it still runs on 95!