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Posted 13 July 2010 - 07:14 AM

I was trying to run DMT.exe (xDSL Modem Tool) and got an error about netapi32.dll. The version I had was original win-98 version (4/23/1999). I found version 5.00.2194.1 (12/09/2002) and it took me further, resulting in a new error in netrap.dll (not a file that win-98 normally has). I found and transplanted that file into my system but gives an error (linked to missing export NTDLL.DLL RtlInitAnsiString). So I think this gives me a dead end for dmt.exe.

I'm not noticing any system problems using the newer version of netapi32.dll, and was wondering if there are any known issues using it, or if there is an even newer version that is known to work ok.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 12:01 AM

wsxedcrfv, on 13 July 2010 - 07:14 AM, said:

I'm not noticing any system problems using the newer version of netapi32.dll, and was wondering if there are any known issues using it, or if there is an even newer version that is known to work ok.

Which newer version are you using? Didn't you just say it gave you an error?

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dencorso, on 14 July 2010 - 12:01 AM, said:

Which newer version are you using? Didn't you just say it gave you an error?

The netapi32.dll that I had originally was 4.10.1998 (dated 4/23/1999). DMT.exe didn't like it, so I looked for another version. I found 5.00.2194.1 (dated 12/9/2002) and replaced my original version with it. DMT got further with the newer version, but then gave an error about not being able to find netrap.dll (which doesn't seem to exist on win-98 systems). So I found version 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) of netrap.dll and put it in \windows\system directory, and got the final error from DMT (missing export NTDLL.DLL RtlInitAnsiString).

So at this point I can't run dmt.exe, but I still have the newer replacement version of netapi32.dll on my system, and it seems to be running fine with it. So I'm wondering if there is an even newer version of that file that is known to be compatible with win-98. (I have no idea what netapi32.dll is for or how important it is).

PS: I see that there is also netapi.dll, for which I'm running version 4.10.1998.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 10:13 PM

Well, according to MDGx, in his 98SE2ME documentation:

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Do NOT replace ANY of these original Win98 SE system files with their WinME counterparts because your Windows OS WILL STOP WORKING OR LOCK UP IF YOU DO:
[...], NETAPI.DLL, NETAPI32.DLL, [...].

This is all I know about them. I use the 4.10.0.1998 versions of both.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 07:26 AM

dencorso, on 14 July 2010 - 10:13 PM, said:

Well, according to MDGx, in his 98SE2ME documentation:

Do NOT replace ANY of these original Win98 SE system files with their WinME counterparts because your Windows OS WILL STOP WORKING OR LOCK UP IF YOU DO: [...], NETAPI.DLL, NETAPI32.DLL, [...].

This is all I know about them. I use the 4.10.0.1998 versions of both.

Well, I can say that on this win-98se system (with KernelEx 3.6) that version 5.00.2194.1 of netapi32.dll causes no apparent system instability or problems. If the file info is correct, that file is from win-2k. It's significantly larger than the original version (303kb vs 20kb). I'll try this same file on my office win-98 system (without KernelEx) where it's "windows network" LAN functionality would presumably be more heavily used.

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Well, I tried version 5.00.2194.1 of netapi32.dll on my win-98se office computer. Unlike my home PC, my office PC wouldn't let me mess with the file while windows was running, so I had to swap the file while booted into DOS. Upon restart, my system performed auto-logon into our NT-controlled domain, and I had full access to our internal LAN and the various shares on NT and XP machines. In other words, this version of netapi32.dll worked just fine.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 06:19 PM

Well, this being the case, you might as well test netapi32.dll v. 4.90.0.3000 (it is in WIN_13.CAB) in your machines. It might be the perfect compromise for running dmt.exe... Good luck!

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 06:29 PM

If the homepage for DMT.exe is http://dmt.mhilfe.de/ (which I think it is) they seem to provide a Win9x compatible version.

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 11:50 PM

dencorso, on 15 July 2010 - 06:19 PM, said:

Well, this being the case, you might as well test netapi32.dll v. 4.90.0.3000 (it is in WIN_13.CAB) in your machines. It might be the perfect compromise for running dmt.exe... Good luck!

Well I tried netapi32.dll 5.00.2194.1/4.90.0.3000 and they both works.
I did notice that MDGx say don't use the files listed below and I retested them on my own.
My network adapters was detected, installed the drivers and now I'm connected.
The only one that doesn't work is NETDI.DLL, it breaks the network file in the control panel.
But the rest works without problems from what I can tell.

6-11-2005
* Removed WinME replacements [%windir%\SYSTEM]: NETAPI.DLL, NETAPI32.DLL,
NETDI.DLL + NETOS.DLL from options 1 + 2 to fix network device detection. MUST
use Windows 98 SE files instead. [thank you Eck]

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 11:09 AM

I've tested those files under 98SE way back [2005], without KernelEx, only for the purpose of adding them to 98SE2ME.
At the time they gave me errors, so I removed them.

Whenever I manage to install VirtualPC 2007 + 98SE in virtual environment [hopefully soon], I'll test them again, with and without KEX.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 06:53 PM

dencorso, on 15 July 2010 - 06:19 PM, said:

Well, this being the case, you might as well test netapi32.dll v. 4.90.0.3000 (it is in WIN_13.CAB) in your machines. It might be the perfect compromise for running dmt.exe... Good luck!

Looks like I have the exact same issue trying to run Altium Viewer, DXP.EXE (using KernelEx 4.5RC1). Same DLL's, initial error is missing export NETAPI32.DLL:NetApiBufferFree.

Anyway, I managed to find the ME version of NETAPI32.DLL (as you've suggested here), but alas, this produced the same error as the 98SE version. Looks like this problem needs a "NetApi32Ex" kinda solution.

Joe.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:49 AM

NetApiEx was introduced in the ImportPatcher topic, but will continue here.

loblo, on 18 April 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Btw, here are some more netapi32 functions you may want to add in your dll:

NetGetAnyDCName
NetGroupEnum
NetGroupGetInfo
NetGroupGetUsers
NetShareEnum
NetUserGetGroups

This is a slippery slope...I found over 100 others while researching NetMessageBufferSend. And many of them aren't even in APIParameterCounts! :whistle:

I'll begin adding them in batches. :yes:

Also, Win9x has in Svrapi.dll ANSII versions of some of the NT Netapi32 functions. A little glue code might allow them to be used as functioning replacements.

And also, the Netbios function in Netapi32.dll calls _Netbios in Netbios.dll, so it might be possible for NetApiEx to bypass Netbios and call _Netbios instead.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:24 AM

jumper, on 19 April 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

> Have you succesfully tested a netbios function forwarding and if so can you tell on which program so I can try it out myself?

No, I have yet to find a suitable program. The forwarding is produced by the VC5 linker from a .def file the same way that works for the ComDlgEx open and save functions.

...Okay, a brute-force search of my entire 30GB HDD just now found a program named winbox.exe that is static-linked to Netapi32.Netbios. But none linked to the NT Netapi32 functions. I'll do some testing and report back....

Well you could perhaps download and test with this one I mentioned in the other thread:

loblo, on 18 April 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

I've got that 3DVIA Printscreen program (for capturing 3D models from opengl and directx applications) that's got a dll requiring both NetMessageBufferSend and Netbios from netapi32

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:42 AM

jumper, on 18 April 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

Four ways to use NetApiEx.dll:

Place in app or %system% folder and use ImportPatcher to redirect app to it. (for testing mainly)
Rename to NetApi32.dll and place in app folder. (local usage; must not be listed in KnownDLLs)
Rename to NetApi32.dll and place in %system% folder after renaming original to NetApi00.dll
Place in %KernelEx%, add to 'contents' list in Core.ini, and use as a new KernelEx extension:
contents=std,kexbases,kexbasen,NetApiEx

jumper, on 18 April 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Method 4 is where I could use help testing and some feedback.

Well, I can confirm method 4 works!

I can now use the unpatched version of 'JPlatin.dll' in the SAP GUI for Java client.

Joe.

PS. Altium Viewer 6.3 is also working with an unpatched 'DXP.exe'.

This post has been edited by jds: 24 April 2012 - 02:09 AM