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I've tried to install "NERO LITE MICRO EDITION V9.4.13.2.rar" without success. The setup requires minimal WindowsInstaller 3.1. I downloaded it from mediafire.com. It seems the version you have is different.

Which version of  the "nero clean tool" do you have? All versions I tested fails to work. (missing Export-NETAPI32.dll:NetUserDel)

WinME / KernelEX / Net Fr. 2.0 / Visual C++2005red




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I've tried to install "NERO LITE MICRO EDITION V9.4.13.2.rar" without success. The setup requires minimal WindowsInstaller 3.1. I downloaded it from mediafire.com. It seems the version you have is different.

The single .exe file has 32,618,304 bytes, MD5 is 1591BE4E0A7F889DEFFAEDD9DD1A5201. MS Windows Installer 2.0 should be sufficient, the installation completed apparently Ok, without an error message.

Which version of  the "nero clean tool" do you have? All versions I tested fails to work. (missing Export-NETAPI32.dll:NetUserDel) WinME / KernelEX / Net Fr. 2.0 / Visual C++2005red

I have 2 good versions of Nero CleanTool which work under Win98 (without KernelEx) and WinXP:
- Nero CleanTool for Nero 6,7,8 (Win98+WinXP, .exe digitally signed 31Jan2008) [I used this version to uninstall Nero v7.2.7, both under Win98 and WinXP]
- Nero CleanTool for Nero 6.6.1.5 v2.1.5.17 (Win98+WinXP, .exe digitally signed 2Jun2006) [I used this version to uninstall an earlier Nero v6.6.0.13, both under Win98 and WinXP]
No idea where to get them now.

The following version does not work under Win98 (without KernelEx), but works under WinXP:
- Nero CleanTool for Nero v7,8,9,10 v5.0.0.18 (WinXP, .exe digitally signed 5Jan2010)

I restored the system from a previous clean backup to clean Nero leftovers after test-installing Nero v9.4.13.2 Micro under Win98SE with KernelEx.

Edited by Multibooter, 09 May 2011 - 05:56 PM.


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My LiteOn Blu-ray burner iHBS212 was manufactured in Sept.2010, according to the sticker on it. It has Firmware 5L06, Firmware Date: 9-Sep-2010 (displayed by Nero InfoTool v4.0.3). The reputable firmware update page http://www.firmwareh...12+2/files.html indicates 3 firmware updates for this burner since then. Since the burn quality for the PHILIP-R04-000 BD-Rs was an awful 0/100, I have decided to update the firmware, maybe the newer firmware has a better writing strategy for this media.

Before running the firmware update, I made backups, as recommended by mciahel http://club.myce.com...19/#post2561143 Both Flash Utility for LiteOn Based Optical Drives v6.0.1 http://club.myce.com...0-0-new-190420/ and EEPROM Utility for PLDS-LiteOn-Sony-BenQ CD & DVD Writers v6.2.0 http://club.myce.com...0-1-new-112103/ [good info at http://club.myce.com...utility-110900/ ]seem to run fine under Win98, no installation necessary, although I have only created backup files with them, not yet restored the backups under Win98.

UPDATE 11-May-2011: Please see correction in posting #31 http://www.msfn.org/...post__p__965287

I then ran under WinXP the firmware update utility 5L09.exe, downloaded from www.firmwarehq.com. Under Win98 the firmware update utility 5L09.exe does not run, it displays the error msg: "Error Starting Program. The 5L09.EXE file is linked to missing export SETUPAPI.DLL:CM_Connect_MachineA"

I then burnt another PHILIP-R04-000 BD-R with ImgBurn under Win98. Unfortunately, the burn quality stayed at 0/100, due to several spikes, even if the Average and Maximum of LDC and BIS were substantially lower than with firmware 5L06. My testing does not confirm the positive evaluation by burnfreak http://www.movie2dig...3001#post573001 (also in post #7 there) for the combo LiteOn+new firmware+PHILIP-R04-000 media. Maybe the manufacturers send the better-quality media to Europe and the low-quality stuff to the U.S. Or the hardware in my desktop is not fast enough, or...

Edited by Multibooter, 11 May 2011 - 06:29 PM.


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I then burnt another PHILIP-R04-000 BD-R with ImgBurn under Win98. Unfortunately, the burn quality stayed at 0/100, due to several spikes, even if the Average and Maximum of LDC and BIS were substantially lower than with firmware 5L06.

I repeated the Disc Quality test of Nero CD-DVD Speed v4.7.7.15 under Win98 twice, about 10 hours after the 1st Disk Quality test/the burning of the Blu-ray disk. The 2nd Disk Quality test displayed a burn quality of 26/100, the 3rd a burn quality of 22/100.

2nd and 3rd tests taken a while after the burning of the Blu-ray BD-R have resulted in most cases in better disc quality scores. Maybe the plastic has to settle for a while or the burner does some learning. No idea why later disk quality tests of burnt BD-Rs tend to show better scores.

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Before running the firmware update, I made backups, as recommended by mciahel http://club.myce.com...19/#post2561143 Both Flash Utility for LiteOn Based Optical Drives v6.0.1 http://club.myce.com...0-0-new-190420/ and EEPROM Utility for PLDS-LiteOn-Sony-BenQ CD & DVD Writers v6.2.0 http://club.myce.com...0-1-new-112103/ [good info at http://club.myce.com...utility-110900/ ]seem to run fine under Win98, no installation necessary, although I have only created backup files with them, not yet restored the backups under Win98.

I have to correct my previous posting. It appears that the Flash Utility for LiteOn Based Optical Drives v6.0. does NOT work properly under Win98. The program could NOT restore under WinXP a .bin firmware backup file created under Win98. Also, the .bin firmware backup files created under Win98 and WinXP look like 2 different pairs of shoes with the Hex Viewer of Beyond Compare. Under WinXP the software does APPEAR to restore a .bin backup file created under Win98, and the message "FLASH write complete" is displayed, but the firmware of the burner seems to have stayed unchanged.

I was lucky that I did no brick my LiteOn Blu-ray burner by restoring under WinXP a .bin firmware backup file created under Win98.

I posted the problem at http://club.myce.com...tml#post2588006 yesterday.

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I have returned the LG BH12LS35 Blu-ray burner http://www.lg.com/us...ay-BH12LS35.jsp which I had bought at a sale for $89+tax. Here my reasons:
1) burn quality/media compatibility: it did not burn my Panasonic, Verbatim and PHILIP-R04-000 (Kodak/Polaroid) BD-Rs properly. Nero CD-DVD Speed v4.7.7.15 indicated a Disc Quality of 0/100.

2) The LG Blu-ray burner has issues with Nero v7.2.7.0 under Win98 and with Nero v7.11.10.0c [last build of v7] under WinXP: both Nero 7 versions display a selection of only 1x write speed with this burner, even if the burner does not have a firmware setting for 1x, only for 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x write speeds. No idea how Nero 7 made the LG burner burn at 1x, this shouldn't be possible since the firmware write speeds are indicated by ImgBurn as "2x, 4x, 6x, 8x". ImgBurn has the correct write speed selection "2x, 4x, 6x, 8x" for burning and burns Ok with the LG Blu-ray burner, but also at the burn quality 0/100. The LiteOn and Memorex Blu-ray burners had the correct write speed selection with Nero v7.2.7.0 under Win98 and with Nero v7.11.10 under WinXP, and burnt @2x

With Nero v7.11.10 under WinXP, the LG Blu-ray burner was indeed burning at 1x, the actual time for burning the BD-R test-disk was about twice as long as burning at 2x with ImgBurn with the LiteOn/Memorex Blu-ray burners.

With Nero v7.2.7.0 under Win98, the burn process broke off twice after about 1/3 complete (12 out of 40 minutes), with the msg: "Write Error. Invalid field command. Could not perform end of Disc-at-once. Burn process failed." Nero then hung, I had to reboot. When I repeated the test, I got another BD-R coaster, with the same message as before, also at 12 out of 40 minutes complete. Again, Nero v7.2.7.0 works Ok with the LiteOn Blu-ray burner.

3) Nero CD-DVD Speed v4.7.7.15 cannot measure the Disc Quality with the LG Blu-ray burner. With the LiteOn Blu-ray burner, in contrast, Nero CD-DVD Speed can measure the Disc Quality.

4) LG seems to provide fewer firmware updates. www.firmwarehq.com does not have a firmware update for the LG BH12LS35 http://www.firmwareh.../LG/drives.html . Here 2 examples of makes with frequent firmware updates, i.e. good ongoing support: Pioneer http://pioneer.jp/de..._e.html#bdr_s03 or LiteOn http://www.firmwareh...12+2/files.html Regular firmware updates are essential for compatibility/burn quality with new Blu-ray media.

Edited by Multibooter, 13 May 2011 - 11:02 PM.


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I have returned the LiteOn iHBS212 Blu-ray burner. Not because I was unhappy with it, but because I have doubts whether current Blu-ray media is suitable as long-term storage media.

During my testing I have burnt 36 Blu-ray BD-R disks and 1 BD-RE disk (Panasonic, made in Japan) with the same 10GB data files, under Win98 and WinXP, with 4 different Blu-ray burners, using 4 different makes of BD-R media and 3 different programs for burning.

I have "measured" the "disc quality" (=burn quality) with Nero CD-DVD Speed v4.7.7.15 and with Nero DiscSpeed v5.4.24.100. Right after burning, with the better media, disc quality was around 60/100. When I repeated the disc quality test after 2 weeks, however, 35 out of 36 disks had a disc quality score of 0/100, a single BD-R disk had still the disk quality score 8/100. When I repeated the disk quality test with that 8/100 disk 12 hours later, its quality score had fallen also to 0/100. Disk quality of Blu-ray BD-R and BD-RE disks seems to decline rapidly after burning. I plan to check periodically to find out whether and when data loss has actually occurred on these 36 Blu-ray disks.

There is the possibility that the Quality scores of Nero CD-DVD Speed v4.7.7.15 and Nero DiscSpeed v5.4.24.100 are incorrect for Blu-ray media. When testing Blu-ray media, values are displayed under 2 differently named headings "LDC" and "BIS", instead of "C1 Errors" and "C2 Errors", as for CDs and DVDs.

I ran a "Disc Scan" with Nero CD-DVD Speed v4.7.7.15 on the 2 BD-R disks with the worst values (LDC: Avg 223.18, Max 1530 and BIS: Avg 4.48, Max 32), and the 2 "bad" disks were perfectly readable, all green, which seems to contradict the "Disc Quality" scores. Over the years, however, I have fared well trusting the disk quality scores of Nero CD-DVD Speed of burnt CDs and DVDs.

I was unable to get to work on my desktop the only other program I know of which can measure Blu-ray burn quality, Opti Drive Control, also by Erik Deppe. There was no response to my posting #245 for help at club.myce.com a week ago http://club.myce.com...tml#post2523530 [link doesn't work as intended, it's posting #245]

Edited by Multibooter, 19 May 2011 - 07:21 PM.





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