[MagicAndre1981]

if you never heard about it and never used it why paying a lot of money for things you don't use?

download the 90day Win7 Enterprise Trial and play with the VHD feature.

[xmf]

MagicAndre1981, on 02 June 2011 - 07:16 AM, said:

if you never heard about it and never used it why paying a lot of money for things you don't use?

So if I'm looking at cars, and there's a BMW with some spiffy traction control that I've never heard about and never used, does that mean I shouldn't check out that option?

I'm B.Y.B. I appreciate the help Magic.

This post has been edited by xmf: 02 June 2011 - 07:40 AM

[jaclaz]

xmf, on 02 June 2011 - 07:29 AM, said:

So if I'm looking at cars, and there's a BMW with some spiffy traction control that I've never heard about and never used, does that mean I shouldn't check out that option?

If you are looking for cars and your needs are for commuting from home to the train station daily (a 8 km one-way trip) and back and you never heard of traction control and you live in, say Southern Texas, AND you are looking for a BMW you have chosen the wrong car manufacturer even before knowing about it's spiffy traction control..... , but anyway you should wait for the next snowfall, then ask the car dealer for a test drive..... (which essentially is what MagicAndre1981 advised you about )

jaclaz

[MagicAndre1981]

use the Trial and test if you need the features of the Ultimate (both have the same, only Enterprise is Volume licensed based and the only Trial edition offered by MS).

[xmf]

jaclaz, on 02 June 2011 - 07:48 AM, said:

If you are looking for cars and your needs are for commuting from home to the train station daily (a 8 km one-way trip) and back and you never heard of traction control and you live in, say Southern Texas, AND you are looking for a BMW you have chosen the wrong car manufacturer even before knowing about it's spiffy traction control..... , but anyway you should wait for the next snowfall, then ask the car dealer for a test drive..... (which essentially is what MagicAndre1981 advised you about )

I'm not entirely convinced that you know exactly what my commuting needs are, or what state I live in. Hopefully though, you're right, because all the other extras on 7ult. are unappealing.

This post has been edited by xmf: 02 June 2011 - 09:03 AM

[jaclaz]

xmf, on 02 June 2011 - 09:03 AM, said:

I'm not entirely convinced that you know exactly what my commuting needs are, or what state I live in. Hopefully though, you're right, because all the other extras on 7ult. are unappealing.

That's good , since I am NOT AT ALL convinced I know what your commuting needs are.



jaclaz

[xmf]

I got a really good deal on a legit copy of Win7 Pro 64 and so far I'm not all that impressed.

There are a few nice conveniences:

- I was able to put a folder in the quick-launch toolbar which is convenient for my uses and I didn't have in XP (it may be possible to do this in XP though)
- The search feature in the Start Menu seems fairly convenient
- I could see breadcrumbs in W.E. being really convenient after I get a little more used to it
- It seemed easy to make Win7 play nice with my SSD

Pretty minimal stuff though...

I miss the up-front nature of XP. To me at least, it seemed a lot easier to access all types of settings. I'm sure familiarity is a huge factor here, but 7 seems to really be trying to hide a lot of the controls that many people don't ever use. I don't care about nifty new themes and visual effects in 7. Previews on the task bar, etc. Whatever.

I haven't figured out how to allow each folder to retain its unique view settings yet. Overall, it seems like a fairly sleek skin for the XP I know and love, a skin I think I could largely do without.

Thinking about going back to XP (in 64 bit). Anyone want to convince me otherwise? Is there more going on behind the scenes than I may realize?

This post has been edited by xmf: 08 September 2011 - 03:04 AM

[Zxian]

How long have you been running Windows7? If this is just you having used it for a matter of hours, stick with it for a while (a week at least). Get used to things like Aero Peek (you say you don't care about visual effects - this one is genuinely useful) or integrated search (which is way faster than any third-party solution I've tried on XP). Not having to bother with the Start Menu flying out across the screen is another nice perk as well.

If you're going for new hardware get the new operating system. There are hardware features that simply aren't supported well under a 10 year old OS such as XP, and you'll likely get better performance from Windows7, especially if you go with an SSD for your boot drive.

[cluberti]

Note you're going to start seeing computer OEMs like Dell, Lenovo, and HP start to skip releasing XP drivers for hardware soon, and while building boxes on your own usually buys you more time in that arena, you still will find it near impossible in a short few years to get drivers for XP for even mainstream hardware. I would have to agree here with Zxian, Andre, and perhaps a few others - give it a try (180 day trial of Enterprise is indeed legal and free), and see if you can use Windows 7 or not. Generally, unless you're a diehard or have somewhat obscure hardware or software requirements, you can run Windows 7 without issue with your usual programs. Windows 7 is not change for change's sake, and a lot of the features really are useful. If you find after a trial that you just cannot change your computing habits a bit, though, you can always acquire a copy of XP from your favorite retailer and use that instead.

[xmf]

Zxian, on 12 September 2011 - 11:13 AM, said:

How long have you been running Windows7? If this is just you having used it for a matter of hours, stick with it for a while (a week at least). Get used to things like Aero Peek (you say you don't care about visual effects - this one is genuinely useful) or integrated search (which is way faster than any third-party solution I've tried on XP). Not having to bother with the Start Menu flying out across the screen is another nice perk as well.

If you're going for new hardware get the new operating system. There are hardware features that simply aren't supported well under a 10 year old OS such as XP, and you'll likely get better performance from Windows7, especially if you go with an SSD for your boot drive.

At the time of my first post I believe I'd been using seven for 6 days. The computer does have new hardware and I'm getting used to things now (w/SSD boot drive btw). I don't quite understand your comment about the start menu. What is enabling you to use it less? These responses are very encouraging to keep going on 7.

[CoffeeFiend]

It always takes some time to get used to a new OS and improved ways to work. I for one wouldn't go back to XP even if they were giving it away.

-Finally a 64 bit platform that just works (unless you have some old and poorly supported devices with no 64 bit drivers) which is about time
-It can make use of machines with "modern" specs (4GB+ of RAM, SSDs, etc)
-the start menu search. I don't think I could ever go back, manually looking for something in the menus (such a pain)
-common apps docked on the taskbar (beats cluttering the desktop with a million icons, which are always hiding behind all the opened apps anyway), with jumplists where you not only have recent documents (big time saver) but where you can also pin common stuff (another huge time saver and again, less desktop icons). I increase the jumplist to 20 entries myself. XP's taskbar is a disaster compared to Win7 (even Vista's was a nice improvement over that).
-less annoying tray icons ('nuff said)
-aero snap (not eye candy at all, very useful, especially if you know the keyboard shortcuts)
-far more stable (including cool things like restarting video drivers instead of BSOD'ing), and seemingly never needs reinstalling
-loads of new cool techs apps can use (like directx 11, direct2d, etc) and other cool stuff like powershell built-in
-far more secure overall (service hardening, UAC, all the 64-bit related enhancements over XP, IE protected mode, etc)
-finally having MUI available through windows update
-better explorer. You've seen, breadcrumbs but there's the new copying dialog, the waiting 'till the end of the copy for errors (instead of nagging 50 times while it comes, right in the middle of it), etc
-an audio mixer that makes lifes much easier (apps not hijacking the master volume anymore)
...

I think it's fantastic.