[tomasz86]

I connected a 5200 rpm SATA drive to my notebook using the adapter I mentioned before and it's detected in BIOS although its size isn't reported correctly. I guess the BIOS can detect only up to 160 GB (the drive itself has 250 GB).

I'm still very happy that it works I still need to do some benchmarks and tests but I think the idea of putting an SSD into this laptop is not that far from reality as I initially thought.

This post has been edited by tomasz86: 23 October 2011 - 12:02 AM

[dencorso]

Are you sure you're using the latest BIOS offered by the manufacturer for your notebook? If not, consider upgrading.
It may be a way of detecting the full SSD.

[tomasz86]

dencorso, on 23 October 2011 - 11:20 AM, said:

Are you sure you're using the latest BIOS offered by the manufacturer for your notebook? If not, consider upgrading.
It may be a way of detecting the full SSD.

At this moment it's not SSD, just normal 2.5' 250 GB SATA drive. I connected it in order to test the adapter whether it works or not. Capacity limit shouldn't be a problem in case of SSD because if I buy one, it'll be a small one (<=64GB).

This notebook (Samsung SENS Q10) was made around 2002 and there's been no BIOS updates released at all.

[dencorso]

Well, this being the case, let me please suggest you consider buying a RunCore SSD. They rock!

[tomasz86]

I've searched for RunCore but they're too expensive

I'll probably go for Samsung 470 64GB and remove the case to make it fit into this notebook.

[tomasz86]

I finally managed to get everything work.

Jaclaz was right. The first adapter was too tall to fit in the notebook, even when the SSD was used without its case. I couldn't find any other, flatter one locally so I order this one from eBay. It was actually cheaper than the previous one because the shipping cost was only 1$. It took around 1.5 weaks to get it.

First of all, I can say that everything works properly and there are no problems with stability. The SSD is detected properly in the BIOS and also when installing Windows. As it's a 64 GB capacity drive there are no issues with the BIOS too (its limit is 160 GB).

I took some pictures of the whole 'operation'.


E-IDE cable + previous (tall) adapter + SSD:




As you can see it's impossible to use the SSD 'as it is':




Samsung 470 can be very easily opened:






The Samsung SSD itself is only 1.8' size so it should fit to any laptop designed to work with a 2.5 HDD. I guess it may be important information as the newer model (Samsung 830) is 2.5' so it'll probably not fit when used together with an adapter.


The new flat adapter:










Samsung 470 detected in BIOS:






I did some basic benchmarks. As you can see, performance is heavily affected by the old ATA66 interface and the adapter too:


old IDE drive (Samsung HM160HC):




SSD (Samsung 470 64GB)




The results don't look very promising at the first sight but:

1. Access time difference - 18,2 ms (IDE) vs 0,1 ms (SSD)
2. 4K - huge difference

In general, there's a huge different in speed. You can't even compare system responsiveness on the old IDE drive to the current one. I can say that it's like giving a second life to this old machine

I want to thank everyone for providing help and useful information, and inspiring me to get this idea materialised although it looked quite unreal in the beginning.

[jaclaz]

tomasz86, on 22 November 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

Jaclaz was right.

Sure , the "queer" thing is that you actually doubted it

tomasz86, on 22 November 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

In general, there's a huge different in speed. You can't even compare system responsiveness on the old IDE drive to the current one. I can say that it's like giving a second life to this old machine

I want to thank everyone for providing help and useful information, and inspiring me to get this idea materialised although it looked quite unreal in the beginning.

Happy you made it!

jaclaz

[dencorso]

+1
Glad you've had success!

[TmEE]

This gives food for thought on SSDing my HP NX6125
I'd love to put an SSD into it, the HDD is dying in it and SSDs are more or less vibration proof so the laptop can be used more freely

This post has been edited by TmEE: 23 November 2011 - 03:01 AM

[shae]

I got a JM20330 based one from eBay for $5: http://www.ebay.com/itm/140619484951

Difficult getting the SATA and power connectors in, difficult getting them out, particularly when the PCB flexes since it isn't anchored, but it's workable. Even comes with extra bright red LEDs! I didn't get a good look at those LEDs, a difficult angle, but I assume they indicate connect drives or something.

A 750GB Samsung looked fine with it, though I only checked it briefly with HDTune. Other than that so far I used it to copy data from a 500GB WDC. No problems noted. (Well, there were 2 1-bit read errors, but that's something my IDE controller's been known to do when running DMA modes, so I guess that was the cause... )

While it has a master/slave jumper, I couldn't get that part to work correctly.

I tried both the 750GB Samsung and 500GB WDC SATA drives, with an IDE WDC being the other drive. The BIOS doesn't detect either drive in that case. In some cases I did manage to get the drive ID strings to show in the BIOS setup screens, but not in actual boot, and always after a long delay.

I tried both as master/slave, two 80-wire cables, two positions on cable, WDC jumpered to force SATA 150, IDE drive jumpered in two master positions (single/master+slave), but no go. The IDE controller I tried it on is a SIS 5513 (part of the SIS630 chipset).

Any idea if it might be a compatibility issue, or how to solve it?

This post has been edited by shae: 01 December 2011 - 04:03 AM

[Leolo]

Oh, God, I wish I had seen this thread before I bought this piece of crap sata-ide adapter based on the horrible Sunplus SPIF223A chipset

I'm using it to plug an IDE Hitachi HDS722516VLAT80 hard disk into a sata controller. But I'm getting an absolutely pathetic read speed of 4 MB/s. Yes, you've read that right, FOUR miserable megabytes per second

I'm thinking of just throwing this piece of s*** into the trashcan and buying this one instead:

http://www.acard.com...1_idno=6&ino=43

Has anyone tried it? What is the best chipset to connect an IDE hard disk into a SerialATA controller?

Kind regards.

[dencorso]

I don't know of anybody using the ACARD AEC-7923 SATA II-to-IDE bridge yet, so I cannot tell you anything about it. But, in general, people here is interested in the reverse process, that is, connecting a SATA drive into a IDE-only motherboard. That said, bear in mind that most, if not all, we know about such converters is in this thread, and some more info is findable in the links therein. But that's about it, I'm sorry to say. Our experience with such converters is very limited, in fact.

[Leolo]

I've found a few alternatives to the one with the ACARD ARC772 chipset.

Here's one with an unknown Silicon Image chipset (cannot identify the exact model in the photo)
http://www.manhattan...a-150-converter

Another one with JMicron JM20330 chipset:
http://www.siig.com/...apter-1044.html

And this one is using a Marvell 88SA8040 chipset:
http://www.ioi.com.t...&ProdID=1010048

Argh, choices, choices, so many of them! And I really want to avoid buying another crappy controller like the dreaded Sunplus!

[bphlpt]

Hey dencorso, I know this isn't your thread, but is there any chance that someone could add a summary section to either the first or second post (yours ), where there could be a list of which ones there has been good or bad experience with, for data transfer in whichever direction, and the rest listed as unknown? Just a thought.

Cheers and Regards

[dencorso]

bphlpt, on 29 December 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

Hey dencorso, I know this isn't your thread, but is there any chance that someone could add a summary section to either the first or second post (yours ), where there could be a list of which ones there has been good or bad experience with, for data transfer in whichever direction, and the rest listed as unknown?

Sure there is! You're more than welcome to create such content and PM it to me. When it reaches my hands, I shall gladly insert all of it, as a quotation, into the 1st post.

[bphlpt]

Touche my friend! PM sent.

Cheers and Regards

[dencorso]

Done, thanks!
And, yes, I've become OP in the process, BTW...

[shae]

Leolo, on 28 December 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

But I'm getting an absolutely pathetic read speed of 4 MB/s.

Perhaps the problem is somewhere else? I don't think any modern controller chip would do that in normal conditions.

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What is the best chipset to connect an IDE hard disk into a SerialATA controller?

The best way might be to get an IDE controller card.

[Leolo]

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Perhaps the problem is somewhere else? I don't think any modern controller chip would do that in normal conditions.

I don't know where else the problem could be. I have Windows 8 x64 recently installed. I'm using a Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 motherboard with AMD SB950 south bridge. The SATA controller is configured in AHCI mode, and I'm using the stock AHCI drivers made by Microsoft and included in Windows 8.

The SATA cable is brand new and works perfectly well with my other disks (without CRC nor cabling errors)

My setup is pretty standard. Nothing out of the ordinary. What could be wrong on my part??!

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The best way might be to get an IDE controller card.

Yes, I know, but I want something more portable, so I can carry it with me.

[dencorso]

I'd go with the Marvell 88SA8040 based board, but warn the seller that the Marvell 88SA8040 is mandatory.