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My LS-120 drives canNOT read or write 32MB formatted floppies, nor format 1.44MB floppies to 32MB, and I would speculate that there are no LS-120 drives which can do it. But there are many different LS-120 drive models, with different capabilities and different drivers.

Yes, NO LS-120 can, to my knowledge.
The "FD-32" technoloigy (whatever it is) is inherent to the LS-240 and NOT to the LS-120 (another old announce):
http://www.neoseeker...rive-announced/
and from the mouth of the wolf:
An actual PDF for the QPS USB version:
http://web.archive.o...ducts/ls240.pdf
where the feature is present
and the actual manual of the LS-240 from Winstation SCSI version:
http://web.archive.o...S240_Manual.pdf
where the feature is NOT.
BUT ;)
http://web.archive.o...m/Superdisk.htm

The SuperDisk drive is moving forward with a higher capacity version (240Mb), while remaining backward compatible with the 120Mb, and 1.44Mb. The 240 has an added feature, the drive will allow you to format a 1.44 diskette as a 32Mb diskettes.


"Definite proof":
http://www.informit....e.aspx?p=339027

What's New About the SuperDisk 240?

The LS-240 drives are still read/write compatible with the original LS-120 media, and also still read and write standard 1.44MB and 720KB floppy media at their normal capacities. The LS-240 drives, however, have two big differences over their predecessors:
Support for 240MB LS-240 media.
FD32MB technology, which allows you to reformat standard 1.44MB floppy disks and store 32MB of data per disk.

If you thought that CD-R media was cheap enough to give away when you transfer data, how about floppy media? If you're like me, you probably have a lot of new or used-once floppy media that is hard to use at its normal capacity (it's just not big enough), but will work very nicely for larger data files and project files if you use the LS-240 drive's FD32 technology to reformat the media to 32MB.


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Edited by jaclaz, 13 July 2011 - 11:53 AM.



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http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h309.htm

... it's the external USB unit which is reviewed here. That USB connection is not ideal, as the cable clips around two of the sides of the 3.5-inch format drive. While this design keeps the cable out of the way when you're carrying the drive around, it also means it's very short. So short, in fact, that if the USB sockets are at the back of your computer, the LS-240 will have to be at the back, too.

There is a very easy workaround to the issue of the 10cm short USB connector cable: a USB extension cable, the USB LS-240 drive works fine with it.

The external USB LS-240 drive is really tiny, light and portable. They probably made this firmly-connected USB cable very short so that it can be snapped back into the tiny LS-240 enclosure, in contrast to the unwieldy and protruding USB/parallel adapter cables of some Imation LS-120 drive models. The external USB LS-240 drive is my favorite SuperDisk drive, but not easy to obtain:
"... also a (rare) version LS-240 existed..." in the link by jaclaz http://reboot.pro/12436/ in posting #20

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What you might not have suspected :unsure: is that you have much thinner tracks :w00t: (and 777 of them) apparently:
http://everything2.com/title/FD32MB
the actual width of the track seems like having been copied and pasted wrongly, this (German) source looks like more reliable
http://www.tecchanne...240/index6.html

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... (another old announce): http://www.neoseeker...rive-announced/

Interesting link about Que! D2 Dual Drives in an announcement on 17-Apr-2001. I would speculate that they were never actually sold. In a capture by the wayback machine on 7-Aug-2001 these drives were still "Coming Soon! Que! D2 Dual Drives" http://web.archive.o...m=prod_ext_fire My USB LS-240 drive has a manufacturing date of May 2001. Do you know at what date exactly the plug was pulled on the SuperDisk drives?

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@all: In case you all notice that some posts are missing, that's really a fact. I've just created the new thread:
On Bootable CD's Floppy Emulation, split from this one, as per your request. Since the earliest post of the split was RLoew's, he became the OP of the new thread. If you feel I missed some post that should be there, instead of here, please let me know.

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When a 1.44MB floppy disk formatted to 32MB is inserted into a regular floppy drive or an LS-120 drive, My Computer displays 2 files, see attached screenshot.
[...]
When I tried to open the other file FD32MB.SYS with Hex Workshop 4, I just go the err msg: "Unable to Open File. The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable."
These 2 files are NOT displayed by My Computer when the 32MB floppy is in an LS-240 drive.


My (very free) translation of an excerpt of an Imation Japanese FAQ, readly findable by googling "FD32MB.SYS":

On opening with Windows Explorer the FD32MB formatted floppy disk in an usual floppy disk drive, only "FD32MB.SYS" and “README.TXT” are displayed. And "README.TXT" can actually be opened, while the other file is just a label to indicate the FD32MB format. In addition it is not possible either to read out the actual data present or to write to the diskette, since it reports 0 bytes free.



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32MB floppy in a regular floppy drive
I have attached the disk information report generated by Norton Disk Doctor 2004 when it checks, under Win98SE and in a regular floppy drive, a 1.44MB floppy disk formatted to 32MB.
NDD displays 2 error messages during checking:
1) Error on drive A: - Error reading a sector in the FAT. The File Allocation Table (FAT) has a physical error.
2) The following entries have invalid cluster chains: \fd32mb.sys. The disk's usage table for these entries has been destroyed.

The same error messages are displayed when checking the FD32MB floppy in an LS-120 drive.

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Edited by Multibooter, 13 July 2011 - 11:16 PM.


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It seems like the FD32 uses a ZBR (Zone Bit Recording) and PRML :
http://www.storagere...e/dataPRML.html

As always happens there are contrasting info, see this:
http://slashdot.org/...2MB-On-A-Floppy

The actual "right" data should be this one:
http://rays-place.dy...e/16storage.htm

The technology works by increasing the density of each track on the HD floppy by using the SuperDisk magnetic head for reading, and using the conventional magnetic head for writing data. FD32MB takes a conventional floppy with 80 circumference-shaped tracks, increases that number to 777 and at the same time reduces the track pitch from the floppy's normal 187.5 microns to as little as 18.8 microns.



The time frame is also debatable.
See page 13 of this:
http://frpcug.org/k-...yte03_04_01.PDF

It seems to me like the drive was available in 2nd quarter of 2001, but apparently it was initially only OEM.

This sheds some more light:
http://translate.goo...en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
As it gives a link to original product pages:
http://translate.goo...en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
http://translate.goo...09zcnbq1HxU9TZQ
and to this "media" page:
http://translate.goo...Wfs7Jqcm7k_2EcQ
that actually contains links to the various drive models.


I guess we need a (paid :ph34r:) account to get this full text:
http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110003688595
http://sciencelinks....001A0346381.php
to learn something more.

Just a guess on my side, but probably the actual first tracks looks (very loosely) something like:
=-----------
with the first sector (or maybe whole track) of normal "width and length" (i.e. compatible with a 1.44 MB floppy one) and all the other ones thinner (and probably shorter)

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"Burning" a 32MB floppy disk
A regular 1.44MB floppy disk can be formatted and written to only with the SuperWriter32 software, which is part of the Matsus***a SuperDisk Utiliy. 32MB formatted floppies canNOT be written to by any other software, e.g. Windows Explorer, Beyond Compare, Norton Disk Doctor or ScanDisk. Only SuperWriter32 can write to a 32MB floppy; all other programs have only read access to a 32MB-formatted floppy. A 32MB floppy disk can be compared to a CD-RW disk, but without packet writing software. SuperWriter32 can "re-burn" a 32MB floppy disk with a new compilation..

SuperWiter32 is similar to a CD burning program: The upper part of the SuperWriter32 window is the source, the lower part is the target (see attached screenshot). Files and folders can be added to the target only by drag-and-drop from the source window of SuperWriter32, not by drag-and-drop from an open Windows Explorer window. The compilation is "burnt" to the 1.44MB floppy disk by selecting -> File -> Write.

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Edited by Multibooter, 19 July 2011 - 02:30 PM.


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32MB formatted floppy disks - Bad Sectors (1)
When SuperWriter32 formats a 32MB floppy disk, bad sectors are created in the free space (see the screenshot below, NDD msg: "The cluster is not used"). A binary compare with Beyond Compare of the original source and the files on the 32MB floppy is Ok however, since the bad sectors are not in the used data area. So these are apparently innocuous bad sectors.

BUT: If you have inserted a good 32MB floppy and:
1) selected in SuperWriter32 -> Settings -> Write Mode -> File At Once (FAO)
2) then add or delete files in the SuperWriter32 target window
3) then select -> File -> Write
the 32MB floppy disk will become corrupted somehow and Beyond Compare will indicate errors and eventually you will have to reboot. Maybe things go wrong when SuperWriter writes new files over bad sectors in the previously unused area.

It looks like FD32MB incremental writing was the last feature added to SuperWriter32 v2.03, and is an unfinished work-in-progress which never got fixed, typical for last builds/last versions. Never use the File At Once (FAO) write mode, only use the Disk At Once (DAO) mode.

Bad sectors in the not-used data area can be ignored if the Disk At Once (DAO) write mode is used. A freshly FD32MB-formatted, blank floppy disk causes NDD to display in the surface test always the err msg "Cluster 5 contains a bad sector (number 112)", but "burning" a compilation to this 32MB-formatted floppy disk creates a good floppy, which again has a bad sector in the not used data area.

BTW, the surface scan of the 32MB-formatted floppy disk in the LS-240 drive is fast (1:24 minutes for 31.9MB), as shown in the attached screenshot.

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Edited by Multibooter, 19 July 2011 - 03:38 PM.


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32MB formatted floppy disks - Bad Sectors (2)
Bad sectors in the data area cause data loss. Attached is a screenshot of a 32MB formatted floppy disk with bad sectors in the data area. The bad sectors were created by adding files to a previously "burnt" 32MB floppy disk, using the setting "File At Once (FAO)", which should not be used.

I still have to test whether 32MB-formatted floppies auto-decay and develop bad sectors rapidly. 32MB floppy disks are very dense media, and I would be surprised if they don't auto-decay as fast as Blu-ray disks.

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Edited by Multibooter, 19 July 2011 - 03:04 PM.


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32MB formatted floppy disks - CanNOT repair bad sectors
When you click on "Move" in the NDD window (see screenshot above) , 2 windows pop up (see attached screenshot). It is not possible to repair damaged 32MB floppy disks with Norton Disk Doctor, because only SuperWriter32 can write to 32MB-formatted floppy disks.

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Edited by Multibooter, 19 July 2011 - 05:21 PM.


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It seems like the FD32 uses a ZBR (Zone Bit Recording) and PRML... As always happens there are contrasting info, see this... The actual "right" data should be this one...

Documentation of 32MB formatting
There is some technical info in Spwt32.hlp [6356KB], especially in the chapter "Feature", in the install-to folder of Matsus***a SuperDisk Utility v2.03.

"SuperWriter32 Manual.pdf" [320KB], also in the install-to, seems to be a much abbreviated English language version, written in a hard-to-understand English. A different installer file of the SuperDisk Utilities can be downloaded from http://web.archive.o...r/240_fd32e.exe . 240_fd32e.exe has a little earlier timestamp of 12-Nov-2001, as displayed by MiTeC EXE Explorer, in contrast to the version in the Toolbox in posting #1, which has a timestamp of 29-Nov-2001. 240_fd32e.exe contains the Japanese SuperWriter32 Manual.pdf [829KB], which can be extracted from 240_fd32e.exe\data1.cab with UniExtractor v1.6.1.

My (very free) translation of an excerpt of an Imation Japanese FAQ, readly findable by googling "FD32MB.SYS":

The Japanese SuperWriter32 Manual.pdf [829KB] has about twice as many pages as the English version [320KB]. QUESTION: Is there any useful additional information contained in the Japanese SuperWriter32 manual?

Edited by Multibooter, 19 July 2011 - 09:48 PM.


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The Que! SuperDisk LS-240 USB drive

An actual PDF for the QPS USB version: http://web.archive.o...ducts/ls240.pdf

Hi jaclaz,
ls240.pdf in the above link is the 2-page product description/product flyer of the Que! SuperDisk LS-240 drive.

My black Que! SuperDisk LS-240 drive is the Matsus***a model LKM-FK73-D, manufactured May 2001. "Manual.pdf" is the 17-page "instruction manual" of the LKM-FK73-D and can be extracted from 240_fd32e.exe http://web.archive.o...r/240_fd32e.exe The manual contains pictures of a black unit, without the Que! QPS insignia, and has the manual number LMQT00524, created on 26-Apr-2001.

I have also come across a similar manual, with the only differences that it contains a white model, is marked "Imation", has the manual number LMQT00539 and was created on 18-May-2001. manual.pdf can be extracted from LS240.exe obtainable from http://members.drive...driverid=497476 This LS240.exe seems to be an older version of the SuperDisk Utility, with a timestamp of 17-Oct-1998. The last version of the SuperDisk Utility, listed in the Toolbox in posting #1, seems to be preferable.

Edited by Multibooter, 19 July 2011 - 10:57 PM.


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Using 720KB floppy disks under WinXP
There seems to exist a belief that one cannot format 720KB floppy disks under Windows XP. Guy Hart-Davis, for example, in his book "Mastering Windows XP Home Edition" (2nd ed., Sybex, 2002) writes on p.352:
"NOTE: XP can format only 1.44MB floppies. It can't format 720KB floppies - neither from tte Format dialog box nor from the command line FORMAT command - though it can read 720KB floppies formatted using other operating systems"

On all my computers, however, under WinXP SP2 Professional, I can format, read and write to 720KB floppy disks. The above belief seems to be caused by the following:

1) The Windows XP Format program (i.e. WinXP Explorer via the dialog box) indeed cannot format a 720KB floppy disk. The Capacity field in the dialog box has only a single selection, 1.44MB, and when you try to format a 720KB floppy disk you get the err msg: "Formatting 3 1/2 Floppy (A:). Windows was unable to complete the format."

2) Curt Simmons, for example, in his book "Windows XP Secrets" (Hungry Minds, 2002) writes on p.71, in the table with the Format Command Parameters:
"/f: size specifies the size of the floppy disk. The values are: 160, 180, 320, 360, 720, 1200, 1440, 2880, 20.8MB (magneto-optical disk). The physical disk must be able to handle the size you choose here."
When I used the above syntax under WinXP SP2 and entered in the Command Prompt window "format a: /f:720" I got the msg "Invalid parameter - "/F:720
So, the Format command under WinXP can't format 720KB floppy disks? WRONG!

The syntax to format a 720KB floppy disk under WinXP SP2 is just "format a:", without a parameter. With the command "format a:" you can format a 720KB floppy disk. The format command under WinXP SP2 apparently gets its format parameters from the Media Type on track 0 (not from the absence of a 2nd punched hole characterizing 720KB floppy disks). BTW, the Windows XP Format command canNOT format bulk-erased 720KB floppy disks, where track 0 was wiped out, you get the err msg: "The type of the file system is RAW. The new file system is FAT. Verifying 1.44M. Invalid media or Track 0 bad - unusable media."

3) Many floppy drives seem to be able to handle only 1.44MB floppies, not 720KB floppies. So there may have been some confusion as to what can't be done because of Windows XP, and what can't be done because of the hardware.
External floppy drives which can read, write and format 720KB floppies are not that common. All LS-120/240 SuperDisk drives, however, are able to read, write and format 720KB and 1.44MB floppies. I have several external USB Buslink floppy drives model No. FDD1, which can read, write and format 720KB and 1.44MB floppies.

Edited by Multibooter, 20 July 2011 - 01:08 AM.


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Yes/no. :rolleyes:
What you are saying is mostly about re-formatting a 720 kb floppy.
And yes, XP does attempt reading the existing info on the floppy.

JFYI ;):
http://www.winimage.....php?f=3&t=3117
and yes, NOT "news" :whistle::
http://www.msfn.org/...n98/page__st__6

It is perfectly possible to format also a "bulk" floppy as 720 K:

FORMAT A: /T:80 /N:9


OT, but still FYI, besides FORMAT144 we also have FORMAT720:
http://www.denispetrov.com/?page_id=3


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Edited by jaclaz, 20 July 2011 - 03:47 AM.


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It is perfectly possible to format also a "bulk" floppy as 720 K: FORMAT A: /T:80 /N:9

Hi jaclaz,
Thanks for the correction. In my comment in the previous posting I just wanted to point out the default format info taken from the media byte.

OT, but still FYI, besides FORMAT144 we also have FORMAT720: http://www.denispetrov.com/?page_id=3

Thanks for the link. Can FORMAT720 do any tricks which the tools below can't?

Tools to format 720KB floppies under WinXP
1) Matsus***a SuperDisk Format Utility
- works only in a SuperDisk (LS-120 or LS-240) drive
- you must NOT enter a Volume Label into the field "Volume Label" and must NOT select "View Result"
- if you enter something into the field "Volume Label": at end of a full format, you get the err msg: "Error Message. Can not create a volume name. No disk is in the drive or the disk
is protected, or the drive does not work well."
- if you enter something into the field "Volume Label": at end of quick format, you get the err msg: "Error Message. Can not create a volume name"
- if you do not enter a volume label, but select "View Result", you get the err msg: "Error Message. Can not get the disk information" 7/18/2011
- works fine with bulk-erased floppies

2) command window prompt:
- "format b:" formats an already low-level formatted 720KB floppy; the 720KB format type is read from track 0
- "format b: /t:80 /n:9" formats a bulk-erased 720KB floppy

3) WinImage v8.5 under WinXP CAN full-format a 720KB floppy, in a regular 720KB/1.44MB floppy drive, in an LS-120/240 drive and in a BUSlink USB floppy drive, IF you set:
-> Options -> Settings -> Disk tab -> de-select Verify writing
if "Verify writing" is selected, however, you get a lot of err msgs like: "Error. Disk error on track 1, head 0. Floppies do not match"

4) VGACopy after some tinkering

5) Format720 (added to this list on 22-Jul-2011)

Edited by Multibooter, 22 July 2011 - 11:06 AM.


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Old floppy disk formats (360KB, 160KB etc) under WinXP

a) Formatting
VGACopy, after some tinkering, CAN format, under WinXP SP2 on my old 700MHz laptop, 720KB floppy disks (or 1.44MB floppy disks with a taped left hole) to most old diskette formats on a regular 720KB/1.44MB floppy drive. Unfortunately VGACopy does not work with LS-120/240 drives, only with a regular floppy drive. I have not yet tried to get VGACopy to work under WinXP on my 2.2GHz dual-core desktop with a bfg 7800GS card.

b ) Reading and writing
Once a floppy disk is formatted to an old format (360KB, 160KB, etc) it can be read and written to Ok with other applications under WinXP, e.g. Beyond Compare. To avoid that WinXP crashes "chkdsk b:" (or a:, etc) should be entered right after inserting the odd-formatted floppy disk, to clear the drive. SuperDisk drives (LS-120/240) read and write floppies with these old formats much faster than regular floppy drives.

Working under WinXP on these old floppy formats with an LS-120/240 drive seems to be more stable than with a regular floppy drive. Some regular floppy drives sometimes refuse to read odd-formatted floppy disks, for unknown reasons; LS-120/240 drives always work fine with odd-formatted floppy disks if you run chkdsk after inserting the floppy..

Under Win98 odd-formatted floppy disks have issues in a regular floppy drive, much less so under WinXP and in an LS-120/240 drive. WinXP seems to be preferable to Win98 when reading and writing odd-formatted floppies (except for 1.2MB formatted 3.5" floppies, see posting below). Win98 is preferable for formatting odd-formatted floppies, unless VGACopy can be used.

BTW, the 360KB floppy disk format (40 tracks, 9 sectors/track) is the format of old 5.25" floppy 360KB disks. Formatting a 3.5" floppy to 360KB allows to work with a 5.25" look-alike in a 3.5" drive, under WinXP.

Edited by Multibooter, 20 July 2011 - 07:10 PM.


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3.5" floppy disks formatted to 1.2MB under WinXP

a) Formatting
VGACopy, after some tinkering, CAN format, under WinXP SP2 on my old 700MHz laptop, 1.44MB floppy disks to 1.2MB format on a regular 720KB/1.44MB floppy drive. The 1.2MB format (80 tracks, 15 sectors/track) is the format of old 5.25" floppy 1.2MB disks. Formatting a 3.5" floppy to 1.2MB allows to work with a 5.25" look-alike in a 3.5" drive, under WinXP.

b ) Reading and writing
Once a 3.5" floppy disk is formatted to 1.2MB it can be read and written to Ok with other applications under WinXP, e.g. Beyond Compare. To avoid that WinXP crashes "chkdsk b:" (or a:, etc) should be entered right after inserting the odd-formatted floppy disk, to clear the drive.

Unfortunately 3.5" floppy disks formatted to 1.2MB do not work in an LS-120/240 drive under WinXP, only in a regular regular floppy drive. Under WinXP Windows Explorer (except for its format facility) and Beyond Compare work fine with a 1.2MB formatted floppy disk in a regular floppy drive A: and a 360KB formatted floppy disk in an LS-120 drive B:, copying, deleting, comparing Ok from one drive to the other. Under WinXP

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Thanks for the link. Can FORMAT720 do any tricks which the tools below can't?

No, the idea behind the two little apps is:

just do it!

no command line parameteres, simply do what is supposed to do.

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OT, but still FYI, besides FORMAT144 we also have FORMAT720: http://www.denispetrov.com/?page_id=3

Hi jaclaz,
I have checked out Format720. It does not run under Win98SE, you get the err msg: "Opening floppy drive A:... Error 2: The system cannot find the file specified"

Format720 under WinXP
Under WinXP Format720 formats Ok already-formatted as well as bulk-erased 720KB floppy disks, both in a regular floppy disk drive and in an LS-120 drive.

When formatting bulk-erased 720KB floppies, a possibly misleading warning msg appears, which can be ignored:
"format720.exe - Unknown Disk Format. The disk in drive A: is not formatted properly. Please check the disk, and reformat if necessary"
After clicking on Continue, the floppy will be reformatted Ok.

Format720 can format a 720KB diskette only in drive A:, not in a drive with another letter. Format720 therefore only works with an internal ATAPI/IDE LS-120 drive or a regular floppy drive which can format 720KB. Format720 does not work on external drives (USB, parallel or PCMCIA), unless there are some special tricks to change the drive letter to A:

Searching for a program to low-level format LS-120/240 diskettes
LS-120/240 diskettes can die quickly, mainly because of a bad track 0. About half of my LS-120 diskettes have died, and the production of LS-120 diskettes was stopped many years ago. Maybe a low-level formatting program could revive 50% of my dead or bad LS-120 diskettes. In 10 years from now, probably most of the LS-120 diskettes around will have died, and recovering LS-120 diskettes with bad track 0 will be essential. 2 years ago I bought a box with 10 LS-240 diskettes for $15, now they are hard to find and cost around $6+S&H at amazon, for a single diskette. At ebay.com there is currently just 1 single LS-240 diskette offered at $15+S&H. A 400-1000% increase in 2 years

I have not yet come across a program which can low-level format bulk-erased LS-120 diskettes. I couldn't get Micro-Scope 2005 to format LS-120 diskettes. Format720, however, can low-level format regular 720KB floppy disks in an LS-120 drive. Maybe Format720 could be modified to low-level format LS-120 diskettes?

Format720 was written in Borland C++. It is a small program and the open source (GNU) can be downloaded from http://www.denispetr...ormat720src.zip .

How difficult would it be to modify the Format720 program to low-level format LS-120 (or LS-240) diskettes?

Edited by Multibooter, 22 July 2011 - 11:04 AM.


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@dencorso: Thanks for moving the postings from the garage sale topic to this topic. Could you position these postings, currently #1-21, before posting #69, so that the old posting #1 remains the first posting? Thanks again.

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No, soory. :(
I don't think that can be done by a smod, at least, not in a straightforward manner. But I'll think about it and see what can be done.

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How about moving the topic index page, which is currently posting #22, to the front, or putting a copy of #22 to the front?

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Maybe you could Edit both post #1 and post #22, add what you want from post #22 to the beginning of post #1 so that it does not mess up the chronological order, and either leave post #22 the same with a short explanation of the "rearrangement," with whatever is left, blank, or reserve it for a future edit... :unsure:

I would hazard a guess that the reason dencorso cannot rearrange it is because of the timestamps of the posts, but I'm not sure of that... :unsure:

Edited by LoneCrusader, 22 July 2011 - 12:55 PM.





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