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Hey guys?

If I may be so humble as to suggest this here:

http://www.freewareg...228&category=18

Jasc made animation shop 3.1.1 freeware BEFORE they became corel (Or when I am not too sure)

At 10-ish megs it is rather small but has suited me VERY well in all of my gif endevours.

Please give it a try.

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Hello, Kelsenellenelvian:
Many thanks for the link about the animated GIFs.
I have never made one, myself.
I checked out the link and Jasc Animation Shop 3.11 sounds like a GIF dream (it sounds really simple to use -- I like that).
I use XP, so I meet the system requirements.
I downloaded it, and it will be my first program to use when I start learning about animated GIFs.
Again, thanks.

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I made a collection of avatars -- each avatar having one "generic" Smiley Face.
The avatars are of 2 types.
The first type uses the layout of my previously posted 002 avatar series, with Smiley above the red "X".
The second type uses just the phrase "ME for Me !" with Smiley above it.
For the background colors of each type, I used some of the best colors of the previously posted 002 avatar series. I also made some avatars with solid-colored backgrounds, just to provide a little contrast with the non-uniform backgrounds.

This is a note for ME "diehards":
The odd-numbered file names below are linked to the avatars having just "ME for Me !" with Smiley above it. You are free to use these avatars as you see fit, without any restrictions whatsoever on MSFN or on any other of your Forums. If you want to use a few on MSFN, just "lay claim to them" in a Post on this thread by giving their file names, and I can go back and edit this Post saying that those avatars are no longer available for use on MSFN. That way, we won't have *different* members using *identical* avatars. Thank you.


The file names and links for these avatars are:

002_V16_av, http://postimage.org/image/tnrt65kij/

002_V17_av, http://postimage.org/image/m5vmu8c1f/

002_V18_av, http://postimage.org/image/67x0ybugt/

002_V19_av, http://postimage.org/image/y2rusg3cj/

002_V20_av, http://postimage.org/image/fb2ylkpwb/

002_V21_av, http://postimage.org/image/4zrh8foqp/

002_V22_av, http://postimage.org/image/cy9bq61vv/

002_V23_av, http://postimage.org/image/oucnf1ddz/

002_V24_av, http://postimage.org/image/cvt61jx1t/

002_V25_av, http://postimage.org/image/59punivwd/

002_V26_av, http://postimage.org/image/gwmtr4pid/

002_V27_av, http://postimage.org/image/6y1v4ng2j/

002_V28_av, http://postimage.org/image/ouqdwzs8p/

002_V29_av, http://postimage.org/image/75vvx77ev/

002_V30_av, http://postimage.org/image/uislgsdgl/

002_V31_av, http://postimage.org/image/hakfsiarl/

002_V32_av, http://postimage.org/image/h2n78dbf5/

002_V33_av, http://postimage.org/image/ywip9nuhd/

002_V34_av, http://postimage.org/image/crbx57rpj/

002_V35_av, http://postimage.org/image/9bouss0sn/

002_V36_av, http://postimage.org/image/57x2rrjlz/

002_V37_av, http://postimage.org/image/wslb5abrv/

002_V38_av, http://postimage.org/image/khjkpvkld/

002_V39_av, http://postimage.org/image/v5dq1366p/

The avatars below have solid-color backgrounds.

002_V40_av, http://postimage.org/image/es3dsslq5/

002_V41_av, http://postimage.org/image/autfp8m57/

002_V42_av, http://postimage.org/image/raozj9hq9/

002_V43_av, http://postimage.org/image/k6kyfhh6v/

002_V44_av, http://postimage.org/image/iaabs2gb5/

002_V45_av, http://postimage.org/image/lkyory68h/

002_V46_av, http://postimage.org/image/67rz17o4z/

002_V47_av, http://postimage.org/image/7pmm497nr/

002_V48_av, http://postimage.org/image/t98k6yntx/

002_V49_av, http://postimage.org/image/liy23lmo1/

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Back on topic, I got bored and made this. I didn't spend a lot of time on it. Strangely enough, I didn't actually use any fonts or font effects. :blink:

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Resources
http://en.wikipedia....0_years_old.jpg
http://en.wikipedia....k_signature.svg
http://photos.aip.or...nstitute_e1.jpg
http://www.wildlifea...k-Institute.jpg
http://www.spaceandm...x-quantum-1.jpg
http://freethoughtal.../Max-Planck.jpg

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Not bad at all! The design, the color you chose and everything work nicely together. I like it :)
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As far as a signature goes, I made it within the signature limits we allow here. It would probably look better with a dark skin tho, since I can't really see the border.
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Tripredacus, I love your image.
It is so "powerfully delicate" -- if that's not an oxymoron.
Any website would be happy to have an image like that.

I started out to make a short Post, but when I start talking Art, I don't know when to stop. Sorry.

I downloaded your JPEG any made some very minor changes to suit *my* artistic tastes. I couldn't make 1 other change I wanted, but I'll discuss it, and maybe you can explore it if you want. I couldn't make the change because the image was JPEG and not .psd, for example. BTW, do you have a .psd version, so I could explore making the change myself ? That would be fun for me.

Please know that I'm not *criticizing* your work, but I'm just describing my *my* artistic tastes. As you know, observing Art is a very subjective matter. 2 different people might create 2 different versions of the same thing -- and both would be acceptable. There is really no "right or wrong". Well, enough rambling, let me get to my "analysis" of your image -- that is, if you don't think I'm being too forward.

Let me say that I haven't yet read any of your links yet, but I will *certainly* study them in detail, and I'm sure I'll have some questions. I think this will be a *great* opportunity for me to learn a lot! Thanks for Posting the image, Tripredacus!

Here is the link to my (very moderately) revised image:
http://postimage.org/image/5d84zw55t/

Basically, all I did was to alter the horizontal green stripe going through the image and the border around the image. I don't have the capability to make a final change *from this JPEG* (as I discuss below) that I think would improve the picture.

Now, for a few details that can be skipped, if you want.

First off, I sampled a color in the 2 pixel horizontal line -- (which had transparency effects) -- within the image, and I colored in this line with that solid color, being careful not to color *over* the outer glow around the "P" in Planck. That way, the "P" would be on a visual plane *above* this solid line. I also made a 2 pixel border around the outside of the whole image with this color. (I had to come inside the "bounding box" of the image by 1 pixel to maintain the 380x100px image size.)
This color of green had ( r, g, b )=(156,193,186 ) and luminosity=164. I wanted the horizontal line within the image and the border around the whole image to read as a "unit".

To see how dark the Max Plank signature was, I sampled the "x" with "Sample Size: 3x3 average".
Here, ( r,g,b )=( 21,109,94 ) with luminosity=61. This is a pretty dark shade of green that shows up well on the outer glow around "Max Planck".

To see how dark the lettering in "GESELLSCHAFT" was, I sampled the color on the vertical leg of the "L", again using "Sample Size: 3x3 average".
Here, ( r,g,b )=( 66,149,135 ) with luminosity=101.

Bottom line:
In order of increasing luminosity, we have the Max Plank signature (61), "GESELLSCHAFT" (101), and the 2 pixel horizontal line and border (164). This corresponds to the degree these 3 elements "pop out" (lower luminosity pops out more than higher luminosity) in visual space on a light-colored background. To me, these 3 elements are in *perfect harmony*.

Of course, all this can be seen by simply looking at the JPEG. One really doesn't need all the above RIGMAROLE.

Here is the one area in which the image can be improved, IMO -- and that concerns the Roman or Greek outline/face below the above three elements. (First, I really like the way you have put the white "glow" in front of the lower part of the face so that "GESELLSCHAFT" shows up well.) I think the face outline should be *somewhat darker* so that it occupies a "visual plane" (i.e., "value") about half-way between the light background and the 3 structural elements discussed above.
That way, the picture would essentially be in three well-defined levels -- the foreground, the face outline, and the light gray/white background. I bet you used vector graphics in making the face outline (?), so it might not be too hard to darken the outline up some.

Being kind of an artist, I'm *very curious* to see if my suggestion would improve the picture. It might not improve it -- what do I know (?) lol

Well, let me quit rambling and start reading your links. Again, sorry for all the verbiage.

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LOL You should have "read" his links first Larry, if you call looking at images "reading", since it looks like that would have given you all the elements you needed to edit the signature as you wanted to.

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Thanks, bphlpt:

I feel kind of stupid now. I put the "cart in front of the horse" instead of the other way round. :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: That's three big wackos for me!

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Well, bphlpt, I checked out the links and they weren't very helpful (for me, at least).
See especially the 4th link below.
To *quickly* use this image, I'd need it on a transparent layer in a .psd file.
As I explain, it's a JPEG.

1st link -- for Planck's signature
Only a JPEG, which I can't easily and accurately edit.
But, I don't have any problems with the signature in Tripredacus' image.

2nd link -- for Planck's signature
#1 Max Planck signature (svg), which PS 5.0 can't open.
#2 This image rendered as PNG -- PS opens it but it as a totally black field -- unusable.
#3 Some JPEGs, which I can't easily and accurately edit.
But, I don't have any problems with the signature in Tripredacus' image.

3rd link -- for background image in Tripredacus' picture.
A JPEG which I can readily use if desired, but I don't feel the need, since I'm perfectly happy with Tripredacus' background.

4th link -- for outline of the Greek/Roman face.
A very large JPEG (3,590x1,980px). I could obtain the outline by opening it in PS, putting a transparent layer above it, and then "tracing over" the image on this transparent layer, and then reducing it to the appropriate size, and manipulating the fade to white at the bottom. This would be a very tedious, labor intensive process (especially tracing it rather accurately) I wonder(?) how Tripredacus got the image. He said he didn't spend *much time* on his picture, so I'm sure he didn't use this approach.

5th link -- a JPEG image of Max Plank.
This image was *not* the one I used in my avatar, but it is rather similar. You can compare the avatar image with this JPEG to see that they are different.

6th link -- a JPEG image of Max Plank.
Again, this image was *not* the one I used in my avatar.

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The big question I have for Tripredacus, is how he *quickly* got the outline of the Greek/Roman face (?)
If the image were traced over at the large size, it wouldn't have to be *too accurate*, since the size reduction would tend to "smooth" things out.
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EDIT:
*Of course*, the way to do it is to open the green image on the white background and use the Magic Wand Tool to remove the white, leaving the green on a transparent layer. This would also work for "extracting" the Max Plank signature from a JPEG. I knew that, but in all my rambling, it slipped my mind (or what's left of it anyway -- lol).
Tripradecus, I now have the face outline on a transparent layer (as you say, it was quick and easy to do). The problem is that it would be kind of tedious to try to work it behind the horizontal 2px line and the GESELLSCHAFT lettering, etc. I really don't want to do the whole thing from scratch, since I'm sure you have all the *layers* already stacked in place. Would you mind using my border and horizontal line idea and just darken the face outline in a few increments (i.e., versions) to see if that would improve the image. (I'm just curious.) Of course, if you don't want to do it, that's perfectly *fine and dandy*, too, and we can just consider this image *complete* as is.
Again many thanks for posting it. (I can't believe I forgot about The Magic Wand Tool. It has been some time since I had to remove a background.)

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I checked out the links and they weren't very helpful (for me, at least).

It's the source material (on a proverbial silver platter), it should help a lot ;) It's only a few simple layers (bottom to top):
1) layer with the cropped / scaled background pic, with a stroke layer fx (I wouldn't necessarily discard the cropped pixels though, just in case you wanna nudge it a bit later)
2) the roman head logo thing, perhaps with a linear gradient on its layer mask to fade its bottom part (although the white overlays from layers 3 to 5 may suffice)
3) the horizontal stroke (simple shape layer or even pixels, seemingly with a bit of a white outer glow)
4&5) layers for the signature and text, with a white outer glow on them as well

I'd need it on a transparent layer in a .psd file.

That wouldn't do you any good as you're using a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY old version of Photoshop (I could post one though). A "modern" PSD won't open right (or perhaps not at all) in your Photoshop from 1998 (14 years ago). Especially if one works in modern ways, using modern features (e.g. smart objects). Edit: Same story for the source material I guess. All that stuff works out of the box with modern software... There's really nothing wrong with it. Although the svg file is a vector format. Using modern tools, you'd open it in Illustrator, select it then copy (ctrl-c), and then paste as a smart object in Photoshop (this way it stays a vector layer and not pixels)

The big question I have for Tripredacus, is how he *quickly* got the outline of the Greek/Roman face (?)

There are ways but it's entirely unnecessary (a pointless waste of time, even if it would only take a few seconds to do), thanks to layer blending modes. Just pick a layer style from the group that "darkens" i.e. darken, multiply, color burn, linear burn or darker color (use the one which looks best to you, you can also tweak the opacity/fill, or even use a layer mask for this purpose by painting on it with gray tones), then the white background just disappears automagically (it just takes 2 mouse clicks, or cycle through them with shift+alt and + or -)

Oh, personally, the only real change I'd likely make is increase the tracking on GESELLCHAFT to align (it normally works really well on uppercase serif type like that -- it looks very classy, quite a classic), but I understand Tripredacus used a source image, not actual type on a layer, which makes it a pain (unless you happen to have the Bodoni Std typeface handy, from Adobe or similar)
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Thanks for your complete and detailed response, CoffeeFiend:

It is so *very clear* that your expertise far exceeds mine !

Sincerely,

Larry

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your expertise far exceeds mine !

Meh. It's not a contest or anything. I know enough to make money from it (and pass the ACE exam). I can make the program give me the results clients want in no time flat (I use the keyboard shortcuts a LOT), but that unfortunately doesn't make me a better designer (then again, the whole design by committee thing...) or anything of the sort.
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I was so *very, very tired* last night when I made all those LONG, RAMBLING, DISORGANIZED Posts. These Posts were a very accurate reflection of my *jumbled* brain at the time.

Tripredacus
Thanks for all the links.
Like CoffeeFiend said, you served up all the "ingredients" of your image on a silver platter!
Quite a "chef" you are!
Please ignore my requests for *you* to modify your image (i.e., to make the face outline darker).
Last night, I was Tired and Lazy, and I didn't want to do the image over from scratch.
However, this morning, I'm refreshed and kind of *curious* to see what I can come up with on my own.
I certainly(?) have the PS 5.0 skills to make this relatively "simple" image (i.e., not many layers or "manipulations").
It might look somewhat different than your image, but "Spice is the Variety" of life, or something like that (?).

bphlpt
You were so very correct, Sir!
I will never, never, never, never..."infinity" doubt your word again!

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Again, Many Thanks for your input last night!
A lot of the PS features and "manipulations" you described are *not* available in my PET DINOSAUR Version 5.0.
Like I said, I'm going to try and remake Tripredacus' image from scratch using *Dino*.
If you don't mind, kind of keep an eye out for my commentary on this thread, just in case I run into *insurmountable* problems.
However, I don't think I will -- but what do I know(?)
As the Billy Preston song says, "Nothing from Nothing Leaves Nothing".

Again, Many, Many Thanks All.

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You were so very correct, Sir!
I will never, never, never, never..."infinity" doubt your word again!


Nah, I just have the tendency to look at how others did it first, then figure how I can do it better. You tend to try to figure out how to do it first, then see how someone else did it afterwards for comparison. Neither approach is wrong, just a difference in approach.

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2nd link -- for Planck's signature


I used this one over the first. The reason being is that I had thought that Wikipedia would use a more recent signature over the one he used in the earlier work, but I was wrong. Fortunately for me, Wikipedia will always want you to save an SVG as a PNG, not to say I am without skill in SVG, but editing it makes it easier. Fireworks opens this with a transparent background, which is preferable over the other version.

As you can probably tell, I had modified the color of the signature. But you may notice it isn't exactly the same color as the other green, being the parts of the face and the German text. This is because i guestimated it using the Hue/Saturation filter.

A very large JPEG (3,590x1,980px). I could obtain the outline by opening it in PS, putting a transparent layer above it, and then "tracing over" the image on this transparent layer, and then reducing it to the appropriate size, and manipulating the fade to white at the bottom. This would be a very tedious, labor intensive process (especially tracing it rather accurately) I wonder(?) how Tripredacus got the image. He said he didn't spend *much time* on his picture, so I'm sure he didn't use this approach.


First, I knew that the image was too large for a signature, so I used an image resize on it. At first I did a whole resize, and then used Transform to my liking. As for getting rid of the white background, no tracing was involved. Since the image was so large, it was likely originally some other format, which seemed to be true. I merely used the magic wand with some varied levels of tolerance to remove the white. And of course, don't forget the "select similar" which doesn't always work but did in this case.

As far as the unused images, this is common in my work on building an image. I will take in multiple different images before determining what i use. In this case, I felt it fine to leave these un-used resources in my post to show you them. It is only because at first I developed the image list before I actually got a look at everything and got an idea.

If the image were traced over at the large size, it wouldn't have to be *too accurate*, since the size reduction would tend to "smooth" things out.


The background was removed prior to shrinking the image, as outlined above.

2) the roman head logo thing, perhaps with a linear gradient on its layer mask to fade its bottom part (although the white overlays from layers 3 to 5 may suffice)


The Gesellschaft used glow at 5 height, 87% opacity, 12 softness, 0 offset. The signature has different settings as it didn't need as much to stand out.

It might look somewhat different than your image, but "Spice is the Variety" of life, or something like that (?).


You can do what you want with the image. That's why I made it. ;)

I just have the tendency to look at how others did it first, then figure how I can do it better. You tend to try to figure out how to do it first, then see how someone else did it afterwards for comparison. Neither approach is wrong, just a difference in approach.


My approach is to do it by accident at first, and not be able to recreate it at a later time if I tried, because I've forgotten how I did it. :D

As noted in previous placed (although I was initially mistaken about how PNGs work) I use Fireworks MX 2004. I have uploaded the source file, which can be opened in (at least) this version of Fireworks and retain all layers. It could possibly be opened in Fireworks 2 (I've had some success at backwards compatibility, but I'm too lazy *myself* to boot up Shiva). :whistle:
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Nah, I just have the tendency to look at how others did it first, then figure how I can do it better. You tend to try to figure out how to do it first, then see how someone else did it afterwards for comparison. Neither approach is wrong, just a difference in approach.

Not only are you never wrong (as I previously indicated), but you are quite the analyst, too !
Is there no end to your talents? (lol)

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I'm dying to redo -- from scratch -- your "powerfully delicate" image just to see what I can come up with.
I'll surely Post the results.
It will be a couple of days before I can continue with it.
(I have some other important business to take care of first.)

2nd link -- for Planck's signature. I used this one over the first.

Thanks for the info.
I will use this one also.
I haven't yet started on removing the background on the signature.

As you can probably tell, I had modified the color of the signature.

For sure !
Changing the color of anything is easy.
What I do is put the new color -- in a big size -- in the layer over what I want I want to change the color of, and then "Alt-Click" exactly in-between these 2 layers, and then link and merge the 2 resulting layers.
A long, long time ago, CoffeeFiend said this technique was called "Clipping Paths".

I merely used the magic wand with some varied levels of tolerance to remove the white.

The magic wand is certainly MAGIC!
I've already removed the background of the large JPEG (at the 3,590x1,980px size) with Mr. Wand, and what pixels He didn't remove, I removed with the Eraser.
I got an absolutely *perfect* job!
Next, I have to shrink it down to the size to fit into the final 380x100 image.
Can you or CoffeeFiend, give me some tips on reducing to maintain a *sharp* image?
What I read on the net a while back said that you shouldn't shrink it *a lot* in 1 step.
It said to shrink it by 50%, again shrink it by 50%, again shrink it by 50%, again shrink it by 50%, etc. until you get close to the final size. Then reduce it to the final size in the final step. (This final reduction very probably won't be by 50%. It might be 70%, 85%, etc.)
So, that's what I've been doing.
This approach seems to work well.

As far as the unused images, this is common in my work on building an image. I will take in multiple different images before determining what i use. In this case, I felt it fine to leave these un-used resources in my post to show you them. It is only because at first I developed the image list before I actually got a look at everything and got an idea.

Yes, I kind of do this also.
When one has *more than enough* images, the *proper ones* seem to coalesce -- as if by magic -- into the final image, or they "synergize" into creating new ideas.

The Gesellschaft used glow at 5 height, 87% opacity, 12 softness, 0 offset. The signature has different settings as it didn't need as much to stand out.

I will start with those settings.
Thanks for that info.
Yes, the signature, by far, uses the darkest green, so it stands out the best with an outer glow around it.
I also think that is the best "treatment" for the signature, since that is kind of the "focal point" of the image.

You can do what you want with the image. That's why I made it.

Many, Many Thanks, Tripredacus.
I'm really looking forward to "constructing" -- (and, hopefully, not "destructing") -- my version.
It's going to be a lot of fun !

My approach is to do it by accident at first, and not be able to recreate it at a later time if I tried, because I've forgotten how I did it.

Boy, I sure know what you are talking about here !
That's why I take it *slow and easy* and LABEL each layer in the .psd file with as *much info* as possible.
Even with this, if I haven't looked at the .psd file for a few weeks, it's often a little difficult to reacquaint myself with what I did.
Honestly, because of this, I often feel like I have pre-Alzheimer's ! (lol)

Many, Many Thanks for Posting this *GEM* ! !

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The magic wand is certainly MAGIC!

:lol: You should see the selection tools we've got now, like the the quick selection tool and refine edge which is much more magic than the magic wand tool (makes it easy to select things like hair). If you want actual magic, then you should see things like content-aware scaling. Or if you want black magic, check out this this video, specifically around the 30 second mark (the image recomposition part). That part didn't make it in time for CS5 though (but the seam carving bits you'll see did)

Can you or CoffeeFiend, give me some tips on reducing to maintain a *sharp* image?

Well, I'm not using such an old version of Photoshop, so I work in completely different ways. To scale something down like that, I typically use smart objects. It gives you the flexibility to scale down, and scale it back up without any loss whatsoever, and it looks great without any fancy tricks. You can literally take something that's like 1000x1000px, scale it down to one single pixel, then back up to 1000x1000 and you end up with the exact same pixels as you had before (it stores how big you want to see it and where instead of destroying the original pixels)

As for Tripredacus, he's using a web designer's tool (Fireworks, not Photoshop) which works in different ways, and also from a different era, so that probably wouldn't really help that much either.

But if you want to do some really fancy sharpening, then there's a LOT of possible tricks one can use. From sharpening in Lab mode (in the luminance channel), sharpening with a high pass filter, you can do selective sharpening with layer masks, there's newer filters that are better than unsharp mask like smart sharpen. Also, using such a filter on a smart object (i.e. using smart filters) lets you edit your sharpening settings later on (you sharpened too much or too little? just tweak the numbers again), there's several 3rd party tools and plugins for sharpening, etc. Also, the settings depend on the source material, what you're doing with it, which medium you're outputting to (i.e. you sharpen more for print than on screen), etc. Also, different programs (like Adobe Camera Raw) don't work quite the same when it comes to sharpening. Also, the amount of noise present in a picture can change your sharpening quite a bit. There's a lot more to discuss about sharpening alone than what one can share in a forum post unfortunately. But no, I don't do that "resize & sharpen a bunch of times" thing.
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Hello, CoffeeFiend:

Thanks for exposing me to the 21st century (my PS 5.0 was from the 20th century).

You should see the selection tools we've got now.

I watched your video 6 or 7 times, asking myself, "Could I achieve the same result with my PS 5.0 work-arounds ?"

My *basic approach* in making a .psd file is dragging a layer that I want to modify into a "New File" (most always with a transparent background), making what changes I want in this New File -- (i.e., resizing, removing background, etc.) -- and then dragging the resultant layer *back into* the file I'm working on.

Consider how I'd approach the case shown in the video, where the sister in the swing -- (at the left) -- is to be moved closer to her brother on the right:

For starters, I'd open the original JPEG, drag it into a New File -- (with a transparent background) -- and then close the original JPEG. (That way, I'd *always* have my original image, unaltered.)
I'd then duplicate this layer in the New File.
On this duplicate layer, I'd *obliterate everything involving the sister*, by mostly using the Rubber Stamp Tool, with the appropriate setting(s) in the Brushes Palette.
The Line Tool is also useful (IMO) in this process, also.
Now, we need to turn attention to removing the background around the sister, swing, and chain holding the swing up.
What I usually do in a case like this is use the Eraser Tool, with Options: "Pencil", "Opacity=100%", and "Fade=0".
I quickly go around the image with the Eraser Tool (but, of course, trying to be as close to the image as possible).
But, of course, after this, the outside of the image still has an "aliased" (i.e., stair-steppy) look.
Next I use a trick I developed myself -- (I honestly don't know if this "trick" is common knowledge or not. It's so simple, it probably is common knowledge.) -- to turn the aliased outer edge into "anti-aliased".
I go around the outer edge -- (a couple of pixels at a time) -- using the Line Tool, with Options: "Normal", "Opacity=100%, Weight=1px, and, of course, with the "Anti-aliased" box checked.
As I go around the outside edge of the image with the Line Tool, I sample the color just inside the image at that point, and use that color in my 2px (or so) anti-aliased straight line.
This technique is very, very fast, and essentially it is based on the Fundamental Principle(s) of Calculus, which state that any curve of any shape can be well approximated by a series of straight-line segments, as long as the length of these segments is short.
To get the *exact* vertical shape of the 2 chains -- (with all the *exact* details) -- I'd probably just crop each chain out -- (as close to the "verticals" as i could get) -- of the image in 2 "New Files" (on transparent layers), and drag the crops back into the original file and position them where they should be.
All of this work sounds "long-winded', but this is the way I'm used to working, and what I've described wouldn't take me very long at all to do.

I typically use smart objects.

But, I don't think *smart* objects would be compatible with *dumb* people ! (lol)

But no, I don't do that "resize & sharpen a bunch of times" thing.

You should.
It would allow you to visit Prehistoric Times, and see the way the Cavemen used to do it.

Many Thanks for this *Instructive Post*, CoffeeFiend.
The video was definitely interesting to watch, but I didn't understand *all* of it, with all the advanced terminology, and especially with the speed at which it went.
However, I did get a strong sense that I could more or less duplicate what was shown using Prehistoric PS 5.0.

Again, Much Appreciated !

P.S.,

Could you please answer this for me ?
It concerns the .psd files I made for bphlpt.
You said that PS 5.0 couldn't even open .psd files made by more-advanced versions.

(I'd guess that's because PS 5.0 would have no way of knowing what the "features" of the more-advanced versions are.)
Finally, my question:
Can much-later versions of PS open PS 5.0 .psd files ?

My guess is that the answer to this question is "Yes".
Kind of like: "Stephen Hawking can understand a 4-year-old -- (when the 4-year-old talks about *anything*) -- but the 4-year-old can't understand Stephen Hawking, especially when he discusses Physics".

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Could I achieve the same result with my PS 5.0 work-arounds ?

Than the seam carving stuff? No. There is no way to selectively eliminate pixels based on their "frequency" (eliminating rows of the "least important" pixels, that aren't actually in a straight line), while keeping straight lines straight and so on (and simply resizing it will look horrible). I couldn't in a day's work accomplish something as nice as it can do in mere seconds. There were a siggraph presentation that explained the technology behind it if you're curious. But that's just a tiny, minuscule part of the new features anyway ;) We got real 3D editing (like a typical CAD program), vector content, content-aware fill, smart objects and nested smart objects, smart filters, advanced typography, some new and useful/powerful filters like vanishing point and liquify, HDR merge, GPU acceleration, etc. It's from a different century indeed.

You said that PS 5.0 couldn't even open .psd files made by more-advanced versions.
(I'd guess that's because PS 5.0 would have no way of knowing what the "features" of the more-advanced versions are.)

Precisely. The older PS versions can't make sense of the new format, and the new information in it.

Can much-later versions of PS open PS 5.0 .psd files ?

Yes. They open just fine (much like your analogy that followed this).
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As for Tripredacus, he's using a web designer's tool (Fireworks, not Photoshop) which works in different ways, and also from a different era, so that probably wouldn't really help that much either.


I had used Fireworks in CS4 last year and found it had barely any noticeable differences except for the GUI. I'm not even sure why Adobe decided to keep it around. :unsure:
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I'm not even sure why Adobe decided to keep it around. :unsure:

Me neither :lol: I mean, it does have LOADS of new features, but I don't see why anyone would use it ;)
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Can much-later versions of PS open PS 5.0 .psd files ?

Yes. They open just fine.

Thanks, CoffeeFiend:
I'm so *relieved* to hear this, and I'm sure bphlpt will be relieved also.

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Hi, Larry

thx for the new version ! =)

have a good time in 2012

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A while back, in my Post # 136, I discussed my modification of e-t-c's transparent GIF avatar.

The link to his original avatar is:
http://postimage.org/image/4u0c659hd/

The link to my modified version at *that time* is:
http://postimage.org/image/lc3vagpo9/

My *primary objective* at that time was to straighten up the "chopped-off" look of the original, by using *perfect* ovals for the saucer edge and the lip of the cup. I kept the outlines of the modified version as dark and as bold as in the original, to have "harmony" between the "old and the new". I also added some "vapor molecules" above the center of the cup.

e-t-c was very happy with that modified version, so I basically put the image out of my mind (as in "case closed").

However, I saw my modified avatar today on one of e-t-c's Posts, and I saw how I could improve it even more.

In the original and modified version, the saucer and the cup *merge together* in an unsatisfactory way.
So, I corrected that in my second modification to e-t-c's avatar. (I just put a light-colored outline around the cup.)
The link is:
http://postimage.org/image/c6ia5ngbp/
As you can see, I left *everything else* alone (bold/dark outline, etc.).

But, on thinking about it some more, I felt that the bold/dark outline was completely out of place in the picture, since the saucer and cup are very delicate and light-colored images.
So, in my third modified version of e-t-c's avatar, I made a "totally compatible" and "unified" image (IMO) in which I used a thin, light-gray outline around both the cup/saucer unit and the cup sitting on the saucer.
The link for this version is:
http://postimage.org/image/zbsornlgl/
I think this transparent GIF is far superior to the original image and my other modifications.

P.S.
If you look *carefully* at the outer edges of this transparent GIF, you'll notice an aliased (i.e., "stair-steppy") look. All outer edges of an image have to be aliased in order for GIF89a Export to successfully convert it to a transparent GIF. But, in the "grand scheme of things", I don't feel that this look is really objectionable.

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