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I have a problem with Opera and some other applications where I can't use keyboard shortcuts like CTRL+C when I select some Cyrillic keyboards are selected, like Serbian and Russian.

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Kernel 4.0 rc2

There is a problem with Serbian Cyrillic (and Russian) keyboard in some programs:

1. in Opera (9.62, 9.24) keyboard shortcuts for cut, copy, paste (ctrl x, ctrl c, ctrl v) dont work when keyboard is set to Serbian cyrillic (works with original kernel).

2. in text editor AkelPad 4.2.2 when keyboard is set to Serbian cyrillic it dont type cyrillic characters (works with original kernel). In some other text editors (BDV notepad, Notetab light, Notepad, Wordpad) Serbian keyboard works fine.


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Hi RetroOS, would you mind sharing a few link with applets not working if you can remember any. I have installed java 6 update 13 over update 7 since a few days and I have not encountered any problems with the java apps I have installed on my computer.

It was web pages with java applets.
For example, the Sun Java test page shows a blank space where the java information and test animation should be.
See: http://www.java.com/...help/testvm.xml

It works well with Opera 9.64 and Java 6 update 13 here. I can't test with another browser as I don't have Firefox and my IE does not have Java installed.
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Hi RetroOS, would you mind sharing a few link with applets not working if you can remember any. I have installed java 6 update 13 over update 7 since a few days and I have not encountered any problems with the java apps I have installed on my computer.

It was web pages with java applets.
For example, the Sun Java test page shows a blank space where the java information and test animation should be.
See: http://www.java.com/...help/testvm.xml

It works well with Opera 9.64 and Java 6 update 13 here. I can't test with another browser as I don't have Firefox and my IE does not have Java installed.
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I have also been running several applets I had downloaded without problems with the appletviewer executable from an old java sdk that was installed on my machine. I just needed two files from the sdk for that, appletviewer.exe and jli.dll. It doesn't read applets directly, you need to feed the appletviewer with the html file that contains it but it will run the applet only. A rather nice little tool for running applets without a browser btw.

Here is a downloadable (and quite interesting) applet for example :

http://psoup.math.wi...ell/mjcell.html
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Opera always crashes in kexbases.dll or user.exe when launched from Wilma. Wilma is a very nice text indexer program which runs thanks to KernelEx and Opera is launched from it as the shell program for html documents when double-clicking on a html document from its search results. I don't have issues with other types of document and their respective associated shell programs, eg, Acrobat 6 for pdf, etc...

I am not sure it crashes in user.exe when RP9 (+ RP10 Alpha 2) is not installed as I got it to crash only in kexbases when RP wasn't installed.

In case anyone is interested : :rolleyes:

Wilma : http://s3.amazonaws....ll.html#windows

Crash logs : http://www.mediafire...php?mnonmjnzwtz

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Opera always crashes in kexbases.dll or user.exe when launched from Wilma.

It appears that you're running Wilma with XP-compatibility level, am I right? In this case all child processes (including Opera) will also be running under this compatibility level. Opera doesn't like XP level. For the time being try setting "Windows 98" compatibility level for opera.exe.
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Opera always crashes in kexbases.dll or user.exe when launched from Wilma.

It appears that you're running Wilma with XP-compatibility level, am I right? In this case all child processes (including Opera) will also be running under this compatibility level. Opera doesn't like XP level. For the time being try setting "Windows 98" compatibility level for opera.exe.

Compatibility level for Wilma is 2KSP4 and the problem is fixed indeed by setting Windows 98 or ME compatibility mode for Opera, didn't think about trying that obviously. Flash 10 and Java 1.6.0_13 still working fine in Opera after doing that so no need for another fix I guess. Thanks for the head up.
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Today, Adobe released new versions of Flash Player 9 and 10.

9.0.246.0 works perfectly under Opera 10 Beta 2 but I have some problem with Firefox 2.0.0.22 pre and SeaMonkey 1.1.17 (without KernelEx of course).

10.0.32.18 refused to install (complaining about older operating system) despite of registry trick and setting KernelEx 4.0 Final in Windows XP SP2 compatibility mode for it.

Unpack with 7-Zip then simply overwrite the old flash files with those ones. Runs fine in Opera 9.64. Thanks for the security update head-up :hello:

Btw it's an NSIS installer and there is a problem with running the newest NSIS installers It would seem. See just above about foobar2000 for another example.
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Java 6 Update 14: How I've got it working in Windows 98SE with Internet Explorer and Firefox.
I have KernelEx 4.0 Final installed, but this proceedure may work with earlier versions too.

Download the Offline installer from: http://javadl.sun.co...?BundleId=31620
Run the Offline installer: jre-6u14-windows-i586-s.exe

This will fail with:

Error 1723. There is a problem with this Windows
Installer package. A DLL required for this install to
complete could not be run. Contact your support
Personnel or package vendor.


This however has extracted the MSI installer into:

%windir%\Application Data\Sun\Java\jre1.6.0_14

Use Windows Explorer to navigate to this folder (copy and paste the above line into the Address box).

Run jre1.6.0_14.msi

You will then receive the following message:

Thank you for choosing the Java( TM ) Platform. You may continue with this
installation, but for best results we recommend running on one of the following
operating systems: Windows XP Professional (SP2), Windows XP Home (SP2),
Windows Server 2003, Windows 2000 Professional (SP4+), and Windows Vista.


Click on Continue.

After install, the following setting must be disabled to ensure Java applets work.
In Control Panel, Java, Advanced, Java Plug-in, uncheck:

Enable the next-generation Java Plug-in (requires browser restart)

Now you should be operational with both Internet Explorer and Firefox, Opera, and others.

For more information, see: http://www.java.com/.../new_plugin.xml

Edited by RetroOS, 31 July 2009 - 11:14 PM.

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Today, Adobe released new versions of Flash Player 9 and 10.

9.0.246.0 works perfectly under Opera 10 Beta 2 but I have some problem with Firefox 2.0.0.22 pre and SeaMonkey 1.1.17 (without KernelEx of course).

10.0.32.18 refused to install (complaining about older operating system) despite of registry trick and setting KernelEx 4.0 Final in Windows XP SP2 compatibility mode for it.


A/ With 7zip unpacking only files NPSWF32.dll and replace same file (9.0.246.0 / Firefox 2 (last official 2.0.0.20) in directory Plugins. Flash work perfectly, including flash manager http://imageshack.us (old problem with 9.0.45.0 to 9.0.124)!!!

B/ Firefox 2.0.0.20 with FashPlayer 10.0.23.18 (only replace files NPSWF32.dll / Plugins) - work too perfectly.

C/ Firefox version 2.0.0.22pre NO with FlashPlayer 9.0.246.0 - fatal error. I extract NPSWF32.dll vers. 10,0,32,18 on directory Plugins (npnull.dll old - 1, 0, 0, 15) - work perfectly!

D/ Firefox 3.5.1 with 10.0.32.18 (only copy NPSWF32.dll v. 10.0.32.18 and flashplayer.xpt (extract with 7zip) in directory Plugins) - work OK.

E/ Opera (last) FlashPlayer 10 - OK.

F/ SeaMonkey 1.1.17 - OK, only copy NPSWF32.dll (Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 / 10.0.32.18) on Plugins

Notice: All only with replace files NPSWF32.dll (all) and flashplayer.xpt (Opera).

Edited by Philco, 05 August 2009 - 02:39 PM.

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What I have to add is that I have just tested JDK 6u14 on a fresh system and it installs flawlessly (including bundled JRE 6u14).
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Well I have just downloaded the jdk and it installed the bundled jre without a problem but as I feared jar files don't execute anymore and Opera now spontaneously exits/crashes when I go on a page that has a java applet.

Can anyone confirm that or not ?

Edit : OK I got it working, no worries. :thumbup I had to fix the registry and adjust certain paths by hand because I had previously created keys for update 15 in the registry and the update 14 installer apparently made them the default ones so there was some mismatch I guess. :wacko:

Thanks for the head-up again btw.

Edited by eidenk, 01 August 2009 - 06:18 PM.

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And it seems to be working well here as I never experienced the error reported by RetroOS.

Btw I don't need to uncheck the "use new plugin" in the Java control panel to have it to work properly in Opera at least.

I dunno about IE yet because my botched installs and messed-up java registry keys have not been fixed as far as the IE plugin goes. The update 14 installer run from the jdk installer also wrote all the nearly 300 CLSID keys the IE plugin uses to make them point at my manual update 15 installation. I did run a registry search and replace in the classes_root key to correct all those paths but this had the weird result that if I now go with IE on a page that contains an applet, then the only thing that does happen is that two instances of java.exe succesivelly execute from the update 14 directory and pop up briefly on screen, lol.

Yeah, that's exactly what happens in Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Firefox 3.5.1 if you don't disable:

Enable the next-generation Java Plug-in (requires browser restart)

Obviously Opera works without disabling this setting.
It must work with processes differently to the other two browsers...
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@Tihiy:

Is your modded MSIMG32.DLL (5.00.2218.1 (KernelEx special version), that was included with older versions of KernelEx) included in the latest version? If not, is it still available anywhere else? I found that it solved various problems with Opera 10:

http://www.msfn.org/...p...st&p=890772

My thanks for that!

(I don't have any version of KernelEx installed.)

Edited by bristols, 31 October 2009 - 01:29 PM.


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I was previously unable to install Opera 10.10 because it wasn't compatible with W98SE until I installed KernelEX 4.0 Final 2. Now it installed just fine........

However there is one major problem. When I click on the Delete Private Data tab the browser locks up which it did not do when I was running Opera 10.0 (the last one that worked on W98SE). I tried unchecking some of the tabs in the drop down box regarding what Opera will clear when you click on Clear Private Data, but that didn't work. Something else is causing the problem.

Anyone know how to tweak that utility in Opera 10.10 in conjunction with Kernel EX?

I find Opera faster than Firefox, especially Firefox 3.57 compared to Firefox 2.0.

Thanks,

John

EDIT: I was able to resolve this problem, but I am not sure it was actually a problem that had anything to do with the combination of Kernel EX and Opera 10.10. So anyway, here is what I did:

Go to Bookmarks / Manage Bookmarks / View. Check Sort by My Order Close down Bookmarks.
Go to Tools / Delete Private Data / Detailed Options. Uncheck Clear bookmark visited time and Close all tabs.

Delete Private Data then works perfectly.

Edited by craftech, 17 January 2010 - 05:18 PM.


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While I don't think that's KernelEx related problem, please give us more details about this corruption and circumstances under which it happened. A screenshot could be handy as well...


I start off Miranda IM and start browsing net with Opera 10.something, after a while, some icons get los, some GFX disappears. Later on scrollbars go corrupt and in the end all the window frames and such. The corruption changes with what goes on screen, so I guess some memory gets overwritten or something like that... I had to take photos on some occasions since when the resources are too low, one cannot make screenshots (you get only 1bit B/W shot).
Things seem to accelerate with resource use, and after resources are back, the corruption remains. This only happens with KEX versions above 4.0
Perhaps RP9 and KEX do not get along anymore ?

http://www.fileden.c...835/KEXGFX0.png
http://www.fileden.c...835/KEXGFX1.jpg
http://www.fileden.c...835/KEXGFX2.jpg
http://www.fileden.c...835/KEXGFX3.png

I hope this helps.
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I start off Miranda IM and start browsing net with Opera 10.something, after a while, some icons get los, some GFX disappears.

Looks like GDI resource leak. Does quitting Opera helps?

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That has no effect whatsoever, after the corruption happens things will not get back normal. I've been running here with broken GFX for I think 4 hours now, no change. The leak caused by Opera gets solved almost immediately after closing it, with little or nothing getting "lost" in the resources.

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Seems like Java 6.18 doesn't work with Firefox 3.6 and Opera 10.5.

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Rainyd at http://www.msfn.org/...a-doesnt-start/ said he got Opera 10.6 to work.

I tried it tonight, build 3433, and got nothing but crashes from Opera.

I had set both the install program and opera.exe for XP SP2 compatibility.

I just installed it today, and so far nothing has worked for me on my system.

System: Win 98 SE, SP 2.0.

You don't need to set compatibility for Opera 10.60.
http://www.msfn.org/...chmark-results/

I don't understand this.

I went back and unchecked the XP SP2 compatibility box for Opera, and it worked.

I thought the whole point of KernelEx was to make Opera think that it was operating on an XP system and the point of the XP SP2 compability box was to tell Opera it was XP, as opposed to the alternatives.

Without the XP compability turned on, what kept Opera from thinking it was on an 98 system?



Did you tried Firefox 2 or 3?


No. I don't have Firefox at the moment. I am a long time Opera fan boy. However, given all the problems with Opera 10, I may have to soon.

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Great to hear a new version of KernelEx is in the works. :hello:

Hopefully it'll take care of the kernel32 encode pointer and decode pointer functions which I am thinking are now needed by any executable compiled with MSVC 2010 making those files incompatible with anything below XPSP2. The HTML5 video and audio stuff (all that is in the gstreamer folder) in Opera don't work anymore because of that since a few builds and since the last 10.60 build it is not even possible to use older gstreamer files anymore to play HTML5 vids apparently.

Dunno if it can be usefull but there is a patch for Win2K in existence with source code taking care of them and a few others (ActCtx stuff which is seen quite frequently as well now in in new executables) in case you are not aware of it: http://win2kgaming.s...ewtopic.php?t=7

Wondering as well if VLC and what's compiled with recent QT toolkit will have the missing text in dialogs fixed, any scoop as to what is coming in the new version?

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I have just run into the problem of the latest version of the Opera browser not working on Windows 98.
I've never used KernelEx before, but I gather that it will fix this.
I'm slightly wary of installing beta versions, but I have been told that a new version 4.5 Beta 3, is coming soon.
Anyone any idea how "soon"?
Should I wait for it?
Also if I decide to go with the final of 4.0 rather than install a beta, does anyone know if this will this also fix my problem?
Thanks, Dave.
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I have just run into the problem of the latest version of the Opera browser not working on Windows 98.
I've never used KernelEx before, but I gather that it will fix this.
I'm slightly wary of installing beta versions, but I have been told that a new version 4.5 Beta 3, is coming soon.
Anyone any idea how "soon"?
Should I wait for it?
Also if I decide to go with the final of 4.0 rather than install a beta, does anyone know if this will this also fix my problem?
Thanks, Dave.
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Yes, 4.0 Final 2 is enough to run Opera 10.60 (but not Flash 10.1). KernelEx is the most painless install/uninstall ever; they designed it to be ridiculously safe considering the file it modifies. I can't say for 4.5 (I'm waiting for beta 3), but I imagine it's just as simple as 4.0.

Even if you don't use (practically) any other unofficial patches to 98SE, KernelEx (4.0+) and RP9 are both simple, safe and powerful; I don't really know why anyone WOULDN'T use them (even if you don't use any other unofficial patches).

Personally, for KernelEx, I held out until they added the ''off by default for all programs'' option. After that, I installed it and love it. For the few programs I have that won't work without KernelEx, I turn it on for them (VLC, Opera 10.60, El Dorado), and every single other program runs just as it normally would on 98SE, no issues.

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I can't confirm EvanD that Java 1.6.21 works with Firefox 3.6.8.
It works up to Firefox 3.5.11 (and Opera 10.1), if I rename "new_plugin"
(see Member WIN98SE before).
The plugin checks fails with Version 3.6.8.!
pluginchecker.com / www.java.com/de/download/installed.jsp
Note: I don't allow the internet Connection to install Java.

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The Java 6 Update 21 "new generation" plugin doesn't work on Opera 10.60 on my Windows 98 system either.
It does work when I'm in Windows XP (dual boot) using exactly the same installations of Opera and Java.
One thing which is strange, and it seems to be the same on EvanD's screen grab of his Firefox plugins page too, is that the plugin seems to have far more supported functions listed when running in Windows XP than it does when running in Windows 98, which I don't understand when it's exactly the same file from the same folder!
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AM I the only one with flash 10.1 problems, anyways???


No you're not alone - I have some distortion with sound, which I don't have with previous version of Flash (10.0.45.2).

While I can confirm that it is not currently possible to change sound volume during video playback, I can't confirm any kind of distrotion.
Can it be heard on all videos and animations?


Thanks guys. I couldn't get Alt-PrtScrn to work last night, so tonight I'll just try a regular Print Screen. If that works then I'll clip down the image. Hopefully MSFN.com will let me upload that, at least.

As for pictures you can use imageshack.us, tinypic.com and post here a link
as for files use something like speedyshare.com, 2shared.com and also post link here

The Java 6 Update 21 "new generation" plugin doesn't work on Opera 10.60 on my Windows 98 system either.

As for now there is no way to run the "new generation" plugin on 9x, while I'm looking into the issue I can't promise to fix it fast as it requires major work (named pipes interprocess communication support).

VLC 1.1 and Maxthon issues are being worked on as well.

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I'm new to KernelEx, having just recently installed 4.5 beta 2 then updating to RC 1 after it was released. It seems to be working well overall although I have not installed any KernelEx-only applications yet. Just a couple of observations/comments and questions...

- After installing the recent Adobe Flash Player 9.0.280 security update, I noticed that NPSWF32.dll was configured by default to run in Windows XP SP2 specific compatibility mode. I've also noticed this is the default setting for several other system files. Is this correct? I don't understand the compatibility modes and settings for KernelEx.

- Through trial and error, I've found that Opera 10.54 seems to be much more stable when KernelEx extensions are disabled. When they're enabled, Opera 10.54 tends to crash frequently and randomly with invalid page fault errors mostly in module <unknown>.

- As I mentioned in a separate thread, Windows Media Player 9 now runs normally with the updated Quartz.dll when KernelEx extensions are enabled.

Edited by Prozactive, 19 August 2010 - 12:30 PM.





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