[Queue]

Dave-H, on 06 July 2010 - 04:45 PM, said:

I have just run into the problem of the latest version of the Opera browser not working on Windows 98.
I've never used KernelEx before, but I gather that it will fix this.
I'm slightly wary of installing beta versions, but I have been told that a new version 4.5 Beta 3, is coming soon.
Anyone any idea how "soon"?
Should I wait for it?
Also if I decide to go with the final of 4.0 rather than install a beta, does anyone know if this will this also fix my problem?
Thanks, Dave.

Yes, 4.0 Final 2 is enough to run Opera 10.60 (but not Flash 10.1). KernelEx is the most painless install/uninstall ever; they designed it to be ridiculously safe considering the file it modifies. I can't say for 4.5 (I'm waiting for beta 3), but I imagine it's just as simple as 4.0.

Even if you don't use (practically) any other unofficial patches to 98SE, KernelEx (4.0+) and RP9 are both simple, safe and powerful; I don't really know why anyone WOULDN'T use them (even if you don't use any other unofficial patches).

Personally, for KernelEx, I held out until they added the ''off by default for all programs'' option. After that, I installed it and love it. For the few programs I have that won't work without KernelEx, I turn it on for them (VLC, Opera 10.60, El Dorado), and every single other program runs just as it normally would on 98SE, no issues.

Queue

This post has been edited by Queue: 07 July 2010 - 12:29 AM

[schwups]

I can't confirm EvanD that Java 1.6.21 works with Firefox 3.6.8.
It works up to Firefox 3.5.11 (and Opera 10.1), if I rename "new_plugin"
(see Member WIN98SE before).
The plugin checks fails with Version 3.6.8.!
pluginchecker.com / www.java.com/de/download/installed.jsp
Note: I don't allow the internet Connection to install Java.

[Dave-H]

The Java 6 Update 21 "new generation" plugin doesn't work on Opera 10.60 on my Windows 98 system either.
It does work when I'm in Windows XP (dual boot) using exactly the same installations of Opera and Java.
One thing which is strange, and it seems to be the same on EvanD's screen grab of his Firefox plugins page too, is that the plugin seems to have far more supported functions listed when running in Windows XP than it does when running in Windows 98, which I don't understand when it's exactly the same file from the same folder!

[Xeno86]

rainyd, on 06 August 2010 - 11:37 AM, said:

FlippX, on 06 August 2010 - 09:22 AM, said:

AM I the only one with flash 10.1 problems, anyways???

No you're not alone - I have some distortion with sound, which I don't have with previous version of Flash (10.0.45.2).

While I can confirm that it is not currently possible to change sound volume during video playback, I can't confirm any kind of distrotion.
Can it be heard on all videos and animations?

Mathwiz, on 06 August 2010 - 11:59 AM, said:

Thanks guys. I couldn't get Alt-PrtScrn to work last night, so tonight I'll just try a regular Print Screen. If that works then I'll clip down the image. Hopefully MSFN.com will let me upload that, at least.

As for pictures you can use imageshack.us, tinypic.com and post here a link
as for files use something like speedyshare.com, 2shared.com and also post link here

Dave-H, on 04 August 2010 - 11:56 PM, said:

The Java 6 Update 21 "new generation" plugin doesn't work on Opera 10.60 on my Windows 98 system either.

As for now there is no way to run the "new generation" plugin on 9x, while I'm looking into the issue I can't promise to fix it fast as it requires major work (named pipes interprocess communication support).

VLC 1.1 and Maxthon issues are being worked on as well.

Btw. I'll be offline for a couple of days.

[Prozactive]

I'm new to KernelEx, having just recently installed 4.5 beta 2 then updating to RC 1 after it was released. It seems to be working well overall although I have not installed any KernelEx-only applications yet. Just a couple of observations/comments and questions...

- After installing the recent Adobe Flash Player 9.0.280 security update, I noticed that NPSWF32.dll was configured by default to run in Windows XP SP2 specific compatibility mode. I've also noticed this is the default setting for several other system files. Is this correct? I don't understand the compatibility modes and settings for KernelEx.

- Through trial and error, I've found that Opera 10.54 seems to be much more stable when KernelEx extensions are disabled. When they're enabled, Opera 10.54 tends to crash frequently and randomly with invalid page fault errors mostly in module <unknown>.

- As I mentioned in a separate thread, Windows Media Player 9 now runs normally with the updated Quartz.dll when KernelEx extensions are enabled.

This post has been edited by Prozactive: 19 August 2010 - 12:30 PM

[Xeno86]

Prozactive, on 19 August 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

- After installing the recent Adobe Flash Player 9.0.280 security update, I noticed that NPSWF32.dll was configured by default to run in Windows XP SP2 specific compatibility mode. I've also noticed this is the default setting for several other system files. Is this correct? I don't understand the compatibility modes and settings for KernelEx.

NPSWF32.dll is configured for XP mode because Adobe Flash Player 10.1 won't work without it.
There is compatibility mode set for any of the system files. In fact some of them are blocked from KernelEx altogether.

Prozactive, on 19 August 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

- Through trial and error, I've found that Opera 10.54 seems to be much more stable when KernelEx extensions are disabled. When they're enabled, Opera 10.54 tends to crash frequently and randomly with invalid page fault errors mostly in module <unknown>.

This is a known issue. Please upgrade to Opera 10.6 which works correctly or disable KernelEx extensions for Opera 10.5.

[rilef]

Prozactive, on 19 August 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

I'm new to KernelEx, having just recently installed 4.5 beta 2 then updating to RC 1 after it was released. It seems to be working well overall although I have not installed any KernelEx-only applications yet. Just a couple of observations/comments and questions...

- After installing the recent Adobe Flash Player 9.0.280 security update, I noticed that NPSWF32.dll was configured by default to run in Windows XP SP2 specific compatibility mode. I've also noticed this is the default setting for several other system files. Is this correct? I don't understand the compatibility modes and settings for KernelEx.

- Through trial and error, I've found that Opera 10.54 seems to be much more stable when KernelEx extensions are disabled. When they're enabled, Opera 10.54 tends to crash frequently and randomly with invalid page fault errors mostly in module <unknown>.

- As I mentioned in a separate thread, Windows Media Player 9 now runs normally with the updated Quartz.dll when KernelEx extensions are enabled.

I currently use the latest version of Opera (10.61) on my 98SE computer. KernelEx 4.5 beta 2 is installed, but for Opera 10.61, I have neither disabled KernelEx, nor have I selected Windows XP SP2 or other specific compatibility mode. On versions of Opera prior to 10.60, KernelEx was disabled (in Opera's Properties Compatibility tab) to keep Opera from crashing. So, versions of Opera prior to 10.60 may have had compatibility issues with KernelEX.

Thanks for pointing out that Flash in KernelEX was configured by default to run in Windows XP SP2 specific compatibility mode. My Opera browser only runs Flash with Adobe Flash Player 9x installed, whereas my Firefox 3.5 and Prism browsers only run Flash with Adobe Flash Player 10x installed. My solution was to run two versions of Flash, depending on the browser. But perhaps Opera can run Adobe Flash Player 10x after all, if my KernelEX installation is configured differently. I'm adding investigating this possibility to my "to do" list.

[Dave-H]

rilef, on 19 August 2010 - 04:55 PM, said:

I currently use the latest version of Opera (10.61) on my 98SE computer. KernelEx 4.5 beta 2 is installed, but for Opera 10.61, I have neither disabled KernelEx, nor have I selected Windows XP SP2 or other specific compatibility mode. On versions of Opera prior to 10.60, KernelEx was disabled (in Opera's Properties Compatibility tab) to keep Opera from crashing. So, versions of Opera prior to 10.60 may have had compatibility issues with KernelEX.

Thanks for pointing out that Flash in KernelEX was configured by default to run in Windows XP SP2 specific compatibility mode. My Opera browser only runs Flash with Adobe Flash Player 9x installed, whereas my Firefox 3.5 and Prism browsers only run Flash with Adobe Flash Player 10x installed. My solution was to run two versions of Flash, depending on the browser. But perhaps Opera can run Adobe Flash Player 10x after all, if my KernelEX installation is configured differently. I'm adding investigating this possibility to my "to do" list.

Only one version of Opera (10.60) actually needed KernelEx to run on Windows 98. This seems to have been by accident rather than by design on Opera's part, and it was corrected in 10.61.
I was really glad to see that although they don't officially support Windows 98, and haven't for some time, Opera are going out of their way to try and keep the browser still working on Windows 98.

I use Opera 10.61 now, with KernelEx still enabled. I only installed KernelEx to enable me to run Opera 10.60, but I see no reason to remove it now that it's there.
I've also now installed Java 6 Runtime, which I think needs KernelEx, but I can't get that to work in Opera, only in Internet Explorer.

This post has been edited by Dave-H: 19 August 2010 - 06:15 PM

[Prozactive]

Xeno86, on 19 August 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

NPSWF32.dll is configured for XP mode because Adobe Flash Player 10.1 won't work without it.
There is compatibility mode set for any of the system files. In fact some of them are blocked from KernelEx altogether.

Thanks for your reply Xeno86 and all the other followup posts. I'm still somewhat confused what Adobe Flash Player 10.1 has to do with the default XP SP2 specific compatibility mode I noted for Adobe Flash Player 9.0.280 that I installed. Like I said, I don't understand the compatibility modes and settings for KernelEx at all.

I did not read all 36+ pages in this thread so I was not aware of the issues with KernelEx and Opera 10.5x. I discovered that through my own trial and error experimentation. I deliberately wait a long time before I upgrade to newer versions of major software like web browsers so that hopefully most of the significant bugs, etc. are worked out. I was aware that Opera 10.60 would not work without KernelEx and that supposedly 10.61 would. I do plan to upgrade to 10.61 soon and hopefully that will work well.

[halohalo]

The background image problem in Firefox 3.6.10 has been fixed by KernelEx 4.5 RC 4. Besides, Opera 10.70 snapshot 9050 also works with OUniAnsi.dll from 10.62.

Thank you for the great work

This post has been edited by halohalo: 22 September 2010 - 02:17 PM

[Prozactive]

I didn't realize the "Msimg32.dll is missing or too old" error was caused by KernelEx (I have it disabled for all Opera .exe and .dll files after experiencing numerous crashes in earlier versions). I thought it was a bug in the Opera 10.62 update and notified them of it since it was the first time it recurred in all of the updates since version 9.64. I also found moving Msimg32.dll from the main Opera installation directory to \Windows\System solves the error. I guess I'll have to move it back if I install RC4. Thanks for your great work!

This post has been edited by Prozactive: 22 September 2010 - 09:32 AM

[loblo]

halohalo, on 21 September 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

Besides, Opera 10.70 snapshot 9050 also works with OUniAnsi.dll from 10.62.

Thanks for the tip about OUniAnsi.dll from 10.62. I tried to use this file from my install of Opera 10.70 3048 which works fine and 9050 crashed systematically on launch unless I did put opera.dll in 2k compat mode but then cosmetic bugs and crashes on the open/save dialog as I wrote here: http://www.msfn.org/...post__p__940217

With the one from 10.62, everything is fine it seems.

[loblo]

halohalo, on 21 September 2010 - 04:15 PM, said:

Besides, Opera 10.70 snapshot 9050 also works with OUniAnsi.dll from 10.62.

This does not seem to work anymore with build 9053.

[CharlesF]

Finally, I have found the time to install KernelEx 4.5 RC4.
It's a very nice build! Big thanks to Xeno86 & Tihiy!

• Fixed: Maxthon browser (freezing): it's perfect!
  
  
• Fixed: MSIMG32 warning and menu icon transparency issues in Opera 10.62:
  I'm not sure of what it means.
  Lack of transparency in Opera 10 is still here if I use the original 'standard_skin.zip' instead of the loblo fixed skin.
  
  
• Now working: VLC 1.1.2 (without RP9):
  VLC 1.1.x are NOT running for me, but I have Revolutions Pack 9.6.6 installed.
  Last version working fine is still 1.03 (no change).
  
  
• Flash Player ActiveX & Plugin:
  version 10.1.82.76 is installing & working fine, even without any registry trick.
  Unfortunately, I was NOT able to get version 10.1.85.3 installed, despite of any registry change I have tried (It says it is installing well, but actually doesn't install anything!).

(OS is Win98SE with SP3.0 beta4).

[loblo]

FWIW, latest Shockwave installer crashes here but seems to nevertheless install properly and it runs in Firefox 3.6 but not in Opera (10.70 Build 9050, currently my default browser)

Edit: Actually it works in Opera as well, it turns out I had KernelEx disabled on Opera.exe (and forcing default mode on opera.dll) for some reason so I did put back opera.exe in default mode and it runs perfectly now.

This post has been edited by loblo: 15 November 2010 - 08:49 AM

[Dave-H]

Any progress on getting Java 6 to work with Opera?
Opera now only works with the "second generation plugin", which doesn't seem to work under Windows 98.

[frogman]

loblo, on 15 November 2010 - 08:41 AM, said:

FWIW, latest Shockwave installer crashes here but seems to nevertheless install properly and it runs in Firefox 3.6 but not in Opera (10.70 Build 9050, currently my default browser)

Edit: Actually it works in Opera as well, it turns out I had KernelEx disabled on Opera.exe (and forcing default mode on opera.dll) for some reason so I did put back opera.exe in default mode and it runs perfectly now.

Is it the slim or full installer that you used?

I have tried both,and for some reason I receive an error as I mentioned earlier in this thread.

After I close the error window and I try to check the version on-line I usually see a blank box where the player should be, so I have to install version 10 again to display it back properly again. Shockwave version 11 will show in the list of add/remove programs and can be removed in this way, so although it looks like it has been installed on my system it hasn't really.

If there is anything special I need to do to the install file for shockwave 11 on KernelEx please let me know. I initially used the compatibilty mode XP SP2 for the install file, and I still got that error.

Charlesf seems not to be able to install shockwave 11 either.

rainyd You asked a similar question about shockwave 10 and 11 at post below.

http://www.msfn.org/...post__p__945711

[rainyd]

Dave-H, on 15 November 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:

Any progress on getting Java 6 to work with Opera?
Opera now only works with the "second generation plugin", which doesn't seem to work under Windows 98.

If I remember correctly, Xeno said clearly that it is not possible without a major rework of KernelEx.

[Dave-H]

rainyd, on 15 November 2010 - 10:37 AM, said:

Dave-H, on 15 November 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:

Any progress on getting Java 6 to work with Opera?
Opera now only works with the "second generation plugin", which doesn't seem to work under Windows 98.

If I remember correctly, Xeno said clearly that it is not possible without a major rework of KernelEx.

Ah, shame.
Strange that it does work fine in IE6 SP1, but that doesn't use the actual plugin I don't think.
Does Firefox have the same problem, or can that still use the "old" java plugin?

As an aside, i hope we can get an actual release of KernelEx soon.
If the developers try and fix every problem with every application before it's released, it never will be!
As long as there are no "show stoppers" or regressions I think it should be released as a priority so they can get to the next version!

[frogman]

quist, on 28 November 2010 - 11:37 AM, said:

Tihiy, on 28 November 2010 - 06:58 AM, said:

You can hex-edit and change capGetDriverDiscriptionW to capGetDriverDiscriptionA and capCreateCaptureWindowW to capCreateCaptureWindowA and MagicJack will start but won't work properly (error connecting to servers).

I just tried that, coming out of dos after renaming my blackbox.exe shell wouldn't load, lol.

Btw, RC5 works great with Opera 10.63, which prints web stuff on an Epson w/ no prob.

I installed Opera 10.63, and it looks really good, one very small thing though, I wasn't able to use the all new yahoo mail as I was able to do with Firefox 3.6.12, I tried using different compatibility modes for Opera but I just kept on getting the message about needing a later operating system when attempting the all new yahoo mail page.

No great problem though as I can use FF for yahoo mail, and Opera for printing off web pages if and when required.

It may well get to the stage if not already when we need different browsers to do certain things that they all won't do together if you know what I mean.

Grateful for Kernel Ex that's for sure.