[jaclaz]

JorgeA, on 07 February 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

It's nice to know that these application launchers exist, but all of them (except for aSuite) involved installing the launcher program. The question is: If and when the Desktop is completely eliminated, then how are we going to be able to open and use programs that DON'T have an installation procedure?

I am not sure to undersatand this as well.
You install a launcher (the one you like it best), then you connect it to one of the stupid Windows 8 "buttons" or whatever they are called, and you have the equivalent of a "Start menu".

jaclaz

[JorgeA]

Joseph_sw, on 08 February 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

somehow i doubt next "windows" after win8, will named win9.
afterall such name will raise conflict with MS previous products win9x.

Joseph,

Good point -- you may be the first person in the world to think of this issue!

Maybe they figure that, by then, too few people will even remember Win9x. Or, since there won't be any actual windows, maybe the next Microsoft OS will be called "Tiles." Then subsequent editions could be called Linoleum, Porcelain, and so on.

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

MagicAndre1981, on 08 February 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

btw here is the complete link to the interview I quoted earlier:

http://gizmodo.com/5882797

This designer is disrespectful and doesn't accept other opinions, only his. this is a pure id***.

I can't wait to see the get the Ubuntu 12.04 final.

Andre,

Thanks for the link to the interview, like CoffeeFiend I'll take a look at it later.

Meanwhile, see this quote from Steve Jobs (RIP): "...they don’t want a car with six wheels. They like the car with four wheels. They don’t want to drive with a joystick. They like the steering wheel."

Check out the paragraphs above and below that one, too. Insightful.

Regarding Ubuntu -- doesn't it have a similar problem as Windows 8, in that things get done via big touch-oriented buttons?

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

jaclaz, on 08 February 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

JorgeA, on 07 February 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

It's nice to know that these application launchers exist, but all of them (except for aSuite) involved installing the launcher program. The question is: If and when the Desktop is completely eliminated, then how are we going to be able to open and use programs that DON'T have an installation procedure?

I am not sure to undersatand this as well.
You install a launcher (the one you like it best), then you connect it to one of the stupid Windows 8 "buttons" or whatever they are called, and you have the equivalent of a "Start menu".

jaclaz

jaclaz,

OK, that might work. One could place the launcher's Metro tile on the first screenful, to minimize the amount of scrolling. I'll have to test all of the launchers you linked, to see if there is one that will list programs that are not installed -- at least a couple of them seemed to suggest that they look for "installed" programs to populate their list.

One other note: The Metro Apps list seems to provide listings only for programs that are on the OS drive. I am using a "not installed" program that resides on the original (Windows 7) partition, and Metro doesn't know anything about it, even though it's currently running on the Win8 desktop!

--JorgeA

[joakim]

If you want ReFS support in Windows 8 CP; http://reboot.pro/15466/#entry152971

[bphlpt]

Can you add support for ReFS to Win7 in a similar manner? I assume that ReFS is what originally began as the file system that was supposed to be added to Vista but got pulled? Just curious.

Cheers and Regards

[joakim]

bphlpt, on 22 April 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Can you add support for ReFS to Win7 in a similar manner? I assume that ReFS is what originally began as the file system that was supposed to be added to Vista but got pulled? Just curious.

Cheers and Regards

No I seriously doubt that.

[bphlpt]

That's a shame. If there doesn't end up being a way to add support for interacting with ReFS from Win7, I guess that might be how MS hopes to force the use of Win8 on Enterprise users, unless I misunderstand the purpose of ReFS. It will also be one of the very few file systems that Win7 does not have a way to interact with.

The other thing I was talking about was what little I've read about ReFS reminds me of WinFS, originally demonstrated by MS in 2003, planned for inclusion in Vista, and shelved in 2006. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinFS I guess if Win8 is as poorly adopted in the enterprise as is anticipated, that the same fate might befall ReFS.

Cheers and Regards

[CoffeeFiend]

bphlpt, on 22 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

I guess that might be how MS hopes to force the use of Win8 on Enterprise users

Nope. You'll just access it over the network just the same. It basically changes nothing to the big picture as far as "clients" are concerned.

It's just something else you can use server-side, but I don't think it'll gain too much acceptance there anyway. It fails to implement long-awaited features like deduplication, you can't boot from it, and it removes a lot of existing features from NTFS which are actually very useful:

Quote

The NTFS features we have chosen to not support in ReFS are: named streams, object IDs, short names, compression, file level encryption (EFS), user data transactions, sparse, hard-links, extended attributes, and quotas.

It's not yet what most would call mature, a lot of backup solutions might not work quite right with it (or at all), it obviously doesn't work on Win8 non-server (except if you copy files and reg keys over from it), real-world performance or scalability is basically unknown at this point, etc.

Maybe the next version or ReFS in Win 9 server will be better, but for now I'd much rather have ZFS or Btrfs. Then again I don't think too many companies will buy Win 8 Server (Win 2012). Hyper-V is somewhat improved (meh), but you're stuck with Metro (yes, on a server!)