[MagicAndre1981]

we both agree that the offtopic should be deleted.

Metro is also the dominating topic at the Microsoft stand at Cebit 2012. Ok, I now know that I don't need to travel to Cebit. I can't hear that Metro nonsense any longer

This post has been edited by MagicAndre1981: 19 January 2012 - 06:22 AM

[Tripredacus]

Isn't the Metro in Win8 already being used in the Windows Phone 7 OS? Its strange that MS is using the Phone 7 design in their current advertising for Windows (Desktop) 7, and then they will use it for their UI in Windows 8? What will their advertising look like for 8? What Windows 9 UI will look like?

[JorgeA]

Tripredacus, on 19 January 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

What Windows 9 UI will look like?

Considering that for Win8 MS is reviving the tiling concept from Windows 1.0, maybe for Win9 they'll bring back the Program Manager from Windows 3. Oh, and the fanboys will proclaim it the BEST AND GREATEST THING, and ridicule us fuddy-duddies and haters who can't stand change.

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

Another thought I had is that Metro is the latest iteration of the concept of the Active Desktop that Microsoft has been trying to push, without notable success, since Windows 98. It went away (AFAIK) for XP and returned as Gadgets in Vista. Gadgets receded into the background for Windows 7, but are now coming back with a vengeance for Win8... to the point where gadgets are the main thing you're going to have on the initial screen.

--JorgeA

[CoffeeFiend]

Tripredacus, on 19 January 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

then they will use it for their UI in Windows 8?

Seemingly, they're trying to pretend that desktops, laptops, tablets and phones are one and the same, and that they should work identically. Unifying the experience by making it suck for everybody.

JorgeA, on 19 January 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

the fanboys will proclaim it the BEST AND GREATEST THING, and ridicule us fuddy-duddies and haters who can't stand change

But, that's exactly how it is most of the time. Someone moved their cheese and they just can't adapt. Except that here, it's a bigger change than going from XP to Vista or Win7, or Win3.1 to Win95 even. They're basically killing multitasking (that's completely insane) and forcing a backwards touch-oriented phone UI on everyone. So it's more like a Win95 -> MS-DOS transition really (no more multitasking, poor UI). It's not the type of typical whining we've been hearing for years (which is more like "oh no, they changed the skin!") I don't think you'll see too many "fanboys" of the metro stuff (even among those of us that have stayed with the bleeding edge all these years). If anything, I see people spending the next 3 or 4 years about downgrade rights to Win7. And without a lot of Win8 tablets around, Metro won't really "take off" so not much people will waste time developing for it (nevermind that it would be Win8-only apps in the first place which sounds like a poor idea in the first place -- "Only runs on Windows 8" isn't a great selling point)

[MagicAndre1981]

Tripredacus, on 19 January 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

Isn't the Metro in Win8 already being used in the Windows Phone 7 OS?

yes, this is this ugly Metro crap. Slow, useless animation all over the place. And Windows 8 uses this by default. You're forced to use this so often because a lot of action cause switching from desktop to this world. Becasue of this penetrating switching I get headache after a few minutes. This is really the worst UX I ever see

[Joseph_sw]

Forcing end-user to adapt a single unifomed OS interface is purely economically driven, not for the merits to end-user.
Nightcrawler from RHDN forum explain better.

[JorgeA]

CoffeeFiend, on 19 January 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

Except that here, it's a bigger change than going from XP to Vista or Win7, or Win3.1 to Win95 even. They're basically killing multitasking (that's completely insane) and forcing a backwards touch-oriented phone UI on everyone. So it's more like a Win95 -> MS-DOS transition really (no more multitasking, poor UI). It's not the type of typical whining we've been hearing for years (which is more like "oh no, they changed the skin!") I don't think you'll see too many "fanboys" of the metro stuff (even among those of us that have stayed with the bleeding edge all these years). If anything, I see people spending the next 3 or 4 years about downgrade rights to Win7. And without a lot of Win8 tablets around, Metro won't really "take off" so not much people will waste time developing for it (nevermind that it would be Win8-only apps in the first place which sounds like a poor idea in the first place -- "Only runs on Windows 8" isn't a great selling point)

CoffeeFiend,

Yes, I agree that this is definitely more than a cosmetic change -- they're trying to change we relate to our PCs.

I'm OK with change that actually makes an improvement. Windows 95/98 was both more functional and easier to use than Program Manager in 3.1. But change for change's sake, let alone change that makes things worse, I'm not interested in.

I'll be curious to see if PC vendors (or Microsoft) end up offering customers the choice to "downgrade" to Win7 on their new computers like they did with Vista and XP.

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

MagicAndre1981, on 19 January 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Tripredacus, on 19 January 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

Isn't the Metro in Win8 already being used in the Windows Phone 7 OS?

yes, this is this ugly Metro crap. Slow, useless animation all over the place. And Windows 8 uses this by default. You're forced to use this so often because a lot of action cause switching from desktop to this world. Becasue of this penetrating switching I get headache after a few minutes. This is really the worst UX I ever see

Amen to that, Andre!

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

Joseph_sw, on 19 January 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Forcing end-user to adapt a single unifomed OS interface is purely economically driven, not for the merits to end-user.
Nightcrawler from RHDN forum explain better.

Joseph,

That was very interesting reading, thanks for the link.

--JorgeA

[MagicAndre1981]

Joseph_sw, on 19 January 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Forcing end-user to adapt a single unifomed OS interface is purely economically driven, not for the merits to end-user.

this is nonsense. Or do you only have 1 type of knife which you use for everything (work in your garden, cut bread, meal and others)? I have so many different ones, because each is specialized for 1 purpose. Tablets with XP failed because of a GUI which was designed for Mouse, and Metro is a GUI for TOUCH ONLY and not for use with a mouse, that's why it fails on desktop/laptops.

[ricktendo]

I like the direction Microsoft is going with the UI just dont know why its sooooooooooo ugly

Graphics are flat and colors reminiscent of XP

[Tripredacus]

Well we'll just have to see how it ends up. It might come down to in 10 years, I'll be in the Windows 7 forum all the time (like the Win98 guys are in their forum) and the new guys will be like "Y U USE OLD OS?" to me.

[cluberti]

To each his or her own - I for one do actually prefer metro, and use it in my day-to-day. Use what works for you, just be aware of the direction Microsoft is going once this hits beta and RC - if that's not for you, I guess you'll have to reconsider your use of Windows at some point.

[MagicAndre1981]

cluberti, on 20 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

you'll have to reconsider your use of Windows at some point.

I did this. The next LTS Ubuntu will be my next main operating system. Windows is dead for me. I will NEVER use this Metro nonsense. Vista/7 go into a VM for Windows only software.

[cluberti]

That's perfectly viable - I do like Linux personally as well, I just spend most of my time in the Windows world due to my employment.

[CoffeeFiend]

cluberti, on 20 January 2012 - 10:36 AM, said:

I guess you'll have to reconsider your use of Windows at some point.

Sounds like I have to buy my first Mac then. Or perhaps they'll finally fire Ballmer and put someone in charge who has a clue, and give it a sane interface again (it's never going to sell, it'll make Vista, WinME, Zune, MS Bob, Clippy and Windows Phone look like amazing successes). Or someone's going to make serious coin selling a new shell replacement for Windows. There's still some hope left. A future with a metro-only Windows is essentially Microsoft committing suicide.

Otherwise, they just handed the entire computing market over to Apple, and everybody will make porting their apps to OS X their topmost priority.

At least we're still going to be able to buy Win7 PCs for a while, and it has years of support left to help make the transition.

[MagicAndre1981]

CoffeeFiend, on 20 January 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

A future with a metro-only Windows is essentially Microsoft committing suicide.

yes, but good news. The end of one thing is the beginning of something new. A world without Microsoft monopole. The Ancient Rome also died after being a one of the largest empires and Windows will have the same result. It will be dead MSFT doesn't want to sell products any longer, ok so they must go to insolvency like Kodak, if they are so stupid and try to sell something which nobody wants. Business = selling producs/services others need. If MSFT doesn't understand this, it's there problem.

But I think in a few years google will bring an OS for daily usage, maybe with a *nix Kernel and then we all ask, who the f*ck was MSFT.

And it's not only Ballmer, "Napoleon" Sinosfsky has the largest influence in this suicide. His antisocial behavior (censorship of negative feedback and saying that there is no negative feedback) will be the death of Windows.

[CoffeeFiend]

MagicAndre1981, on 20 January 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

but good news

Not to people who are locked into Windows-only everything (almost everybody), and will have to support that for the next 10+ years, that's for sure! If anything it'll drive people to drink.

MagicAndre1981, on 20 January 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

Business = selling producs/services others need

MS is lucky they didn't really have to worry too much about that, as nearly everything runs only on Windows. You need to run [insert almost anything here]? Then you're stuck with Windows, so people have to buy it, and in the end they make money no matter what. Either ways, I'll probably buy a Mac this year to run the Adobe Creative Suite, and for whatever other work that can be done on there for now. It's certainly going to take a lot of long, painful years to fully make the switch.

MagicAndre1981, on 20 January 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

And it's not only Ballmer, "Napoleon" Sinosfsky has the largest influence in this suicide. His antisocial behavior (censorship of negative feedback and saying that there is no negative feedback) will be the death of Windows.

I totally, completely 100% agree here.

[cluberti]

And I totally, 100% disagree because the vast majority of the world doesn't use machines like we do, but that's what makes discussions like this fun . It will indeed be interesting to see this thread in 10 years in the light of what actually does happen.