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#1 User is offline   Stannieman 

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 08:27 AM

Hi,
I am making a guide about how to slipstream Windows 6.x SPs manually. I figured out how to do Windows SP1 by looking at how RT7Lite does it. Now I'm trying to do Vista SP1, but it's a little bit different than 7 SP1. I tried to look what vlite does, but the problem is that the 4 updates (not the big SP cab) are so small that vlite processes them too fast for me to see what is going on. So does anyone know how it's done?

I know the update.mum in the big cab needs to be set to allowedOffline="true", but that is not enough, and the other updates won't work with pkgmgr either without modification.

Thanks in advance,
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 09:42 AM

don't use this way. Use the reverse integration method to slipstream the Service Packs.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 10:15 AM

View PostMagicAndre1981, on 29 December 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:

don't use this way. Use the reverse integration method to slipstream the Service Packs.


It should be safe to use pkgmgr.exe, Windows 7 SP1 works fine with dism too. I'm just not sure if SP2 will install fine afterwards, but if that's a problem I'll try to fix it.
I'd like to know what vlite does, but the creator doesn't reply my mail...

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 03:57 PM

installing the Sp2 is the issue why you should not use it. slipstreaming both Sp this way creates an not installable Image. That's why MS disabled it ;)

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 06:41 AM

View PostMagicAndre1981, on 29 December 2011 - 03:57 PM, said:

installing the Sp2 is the issue why you should not use it. slipstreaming both Sp this way creates an not installable Image. That's why MS disabled it ;)

I know it doesn't work correctly right now. But the corrupted disc sounds more like a configuration issue of some kind. Some things aren't in place correctly after slipstreaming. Doing that imperfect slipstreaming twice (sp1 and sp2) seems to break something completely. But if someone can tell me how vlite does the job for SP1 I can try to figure out how to fix the issues + I can add vista to my slipstreaming guide.

If I can't fix it, then that's it, nothing changes. If I can fix it then it's only good...

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 10:00 AM

View PostStannieman, on 29 December 2011 - 10:15 AM, said:

View PostMagicAndre1981, on 29 December 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:

don't use this way. Use the reverse integration method to slipstream the Service Packs.


It should be safe to use pkgmgr.exe, Windows 7 SP1 works fine with dism too. I'm just not sure if SP2 will install fine afterwards, but if that's a problem I'll try to fix it.
I'd like to know what vlite does, but the creator doesn't reply my mail...



I am sorry but Nuhi (The creator) will NOT reply to his email or messages.

He dissappeared a couple of years ago and has not been seen since.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 12:34 PM

Oh, crap... Maybe someone else knows it?

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 01:46 PM

Since Nuhi was lured away and hired by Microsoft, a couple of years ago as Kel said, both nLite and vLite have been abandoned (I would assume as a condition of his employment?) and are no longer updated or maintained in any way by anyone. Since I believe that Nuhi kept the source of his programs closed, though he made the executables freely available, I'm not aware of anyone else that really knows exactly how vLite did the job for SP1.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 01:51 PM

I know it and told you you can't slipstrema both service packs. The installation of such an install.wim fails. How often should I repost this? YOU CAN'T FIX THIS BUG! This is a bug inside the servicing stack.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 06:14 AM

View PostMagicAndre1981, on 30 December 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

I know it and told you you can't slipstrema both service packs. The installation of such an install.wim fails. How often should I repost this? YOU CAN'T FIX THIS BUG! This is a bug inside the servicing stack.


You may know it, but you aren't answering the question... My real question was how vlite slipstreams SP1, concerns about SP2 are for later. And vlite CAN do SP1, and I'd like to know how. So if you know it, can you please tell me (regardless of any potential SP2 problems)?

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 09:06 AM

no, because of the issues I told tell you it.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 12:11 PM

Reverse Integration (the method vLite uses AFAICT) involves using the WAIK.

How-to here/(photo guide). Another one here. More info on a pitfall here.

That's all she wrote.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 12:17 PM

Nah, reverse integration means you need to install the OS. vlite only extracts the wim it. Alsp "allowedOffline=false" is set to true in update.mum in the main cab file, which means pkgmgr.exe integrates in into the extracted image. The thing is it doesn't work like that, vlite does something before that with the other updates, but it's to fast for me to see what.
But I'm sure isn't anything like reverse integration.

Reverse integration also can NEVER EVER break the install because it's nothing more than a normal installation of the service pack. It's just installing windows, install the SP and any other software, do sysprep and capture the image. The fact that it can break means some things aren't put in place by the offline method.

This post has been edited by Stannieman: 31 December 2011 - 12:19 PM


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Posted 31 December 2011 - 12:44 PM

Bottom line - quit asking how vLite does it. Nuhi is no longer here, it's "closed source", and nobody else knows. Figure it out yourself. Case closed!

BTW, google
"cpu speed" slower utility
(fwiw...)

This post has been edited by submix8c: 31 December 2011 - 12:48 PM


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Posted 31 December 2011 - 01:25 PM

View Postsubmix8c, on 31 December 2011 - 12:44 PM, said:

Bottom line - quit asking how vLite does it. Nuhi is no longer here, it's "closed source", and nobody else knows. Figure it out yourself. Case closed!

BTW, google
"cpu speed" slower utility
(fwiw...)


Ok thanks, I'll use that utility to slow things down then.

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