[duffy98]

OK ... have another USB 2.0 question ... this one is a little different. I have an old Dell Latitude Pentium III notebook that only has one USB 1.1 port. Years ago I bought a Belkin Hi-Speed USB 2.0 Notebook Card for it to get faster transfer speeds. I have never really been able to get that card to work properly. I have NUSB 3.5 installed on the computer and the card is recognized and can give me a 4 minute transfer over a 14 minute transfer of a 700 MB file but it will never uninstall correctly. My computer will freeze up and I can't shut down except the hard way and then Scandisk runs on startup. When I do a Control - Alt + Delete to shut down, it never shuts down and I always see that "MSGSRV32 Not Responding". I am sick of seeing that message many times when I have computer problems. Is there any newer fix for this in 2012? ... a newer version of MSGSRV32 or some way to correct the problem? It's like I see that most of the time for so many problems. Needless to say I don't really care to use that USB 2.0 card at all. Anyone familiar with this Belkin card?

Will just add this: when I put the card in the PCMCIA slot these two items will appear in Device Manager ...

NEC uPD720101 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller

NEC USB OPEN Host Controller (E13+)

thanks ...

This post has been edited by duffy98: 30 April 2012 - 04:42 PM

[duffy98]

Well, I have a new observation to report about USB 2.0 speeds and that Seagate 500 GB USB drive. From my other post, I am in the process of updating my notebooks from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro. Earlier I made the discovery that I was getting fairly fast USB 2 transfer speeds with Windows 98SE and the Seagate USB hard drive. I was able to transfer a 700 MB file in about 45 seconds or so ... just today, using this Seagate drive with my newly installed XP setup, the same files are transferring at 25 seconds ... I am impressed at this faster transfer rate.

I don't have access to Windows 7 ... I have to ask, does this transfer speed sound right, are others also seeing a fast transfer rate at times for files with a USB hard drive?

dencorso, we aren't talking USB 3 type speeds with this one drive, are we? ... you have talked about USB 3 in an earlier post. What would be your or anyone's guess at how fast a 700 MB file would possibly transfer with USB 3? ... I transferred several different 700 MB files and the little box was always showing 25 seconds ...it was fast.

thanks ...

This post has been edited by duffy98: 14 May 2012 - 03:06 PM

[Multibooter]

duffy98, on 14 May 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

I am in the process of updating my notebooks from Windows 98SE to Windows XP Pro. Earlier I made the discovery that I was getting fairly fast USB 2 transfer speeds with Windows 98SE and the Seagate USB hard drive. I was able to transfer a 700 MB file in about 45 seconds or so ... just today, using this Seagate drive with my newly installed XP setup, the same files are transferring at 25 seconds

1) Win98SE Explorer has serious issues. To copy, move or delete files I always use Beyond Compare, never Windows Explorer.
2) I always do file copying, moving or deleting under WinXP, very rarely under Win98.
3) Under WinXP I rarely use Windows Explorer, nearly always Beyond Compare for file operations
4) After copying files with Beyond Compare, I always make a binary compare with Beyond Compare of the source and the target.
5) If you use several computers simultaneously, speed becomes a secondary concern. The integrity of the copied data is the key thing. I knew a German engineer who used to say: "Langsamer ist schneller", i.e. "slower is faster". Copying with an eSATA PC card is much faster than with a USB 2.0 PC Card, but I have postponed using my eSATA PC Cards because I don't yet trust the integrity of the data copied with it. The speed of the CPU and the rpms of the HDD are among the key factors for the resulting transfer speed.
6) I try to stay away from Seagate, even if I have quite a few of them, I don't entrust my data to a Seagate. I have my backups on 7200 rpm Hitachis and Samsungs, in USB docking stations and in Thermaltake enclosures.

[dencorso]

duffy98, on 14 May 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

dencorso, we aren't talking USB 3 type speeds with this one drive, are we? ... you have talked about USB 3 in an earlier post. What would be your or anyone's guess at how fast a 700 MB file would possibly transfer with USB 3? ... I transferred several different 700 MB files and the little box was always showing 25 seconds ...it was fast.

On my rather old harware USB 3.0 can do that in 7 sec. On a razor-edge hardware, it can go down to about 3 sec. Using XP in both cases, of course... there're no drivers for USB 3.0 for Win 9x/ME, and it's unlikely there ever will be any.

[Multibooter]

dencorso, on 14 May 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

duffy98, on 14 May 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

I transferred several different 700 MB files and the little box was always showing 25 seconds

On my rather old harware USB 3.0 can do that in 7 sec. On a razor-edge hardware, it can go down to about 3 sec. Using XP in both cases, of course

Hi dencorso,,
That sounds very impressive, but not sure about caching effects. A real-life test would be to low-level format a 1TB HDD with HDD Low Level Format v2.36. On my 2.2MHz dual core desktop (USB 2.0 onboard) under WinXP it takes about 10 hours (about 27MB/s), on my 11-year-old 700MHz Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop (USB 2.0 PCCard) about 25 hours (about 11MB/s), when a 1TB 7200 rpm SATA HDD ["3.0Gb/s"] is in an external EZ-Dock docking station.

The full version used to be free, but now the free version has a speed limitation of 50MB/s, http://hddguru.com/s...el-Format-Tool/ excellent program.

The fastest interface for Win98 seems to be eSATA, about twice as fast as USB 2.0, but I am not yet sure about the reliability of eSATA.

[duffy98]

Multibooter ... thanks for the USB info and mentioning Beyond Compare ... found some info on it, will spend more time later today checking it out.

"1) Win98SE Explorer has serious issues. To copy, move or delete files I always use Beyond Compare, never Windows Explorer.
2) I always do file copying, moving or deleting under WinXP, very rarely under Win98.
3) Under WinXP I rarely use Windows Explorer, nearly always Beyond Compare for file operations
4) After copying files with Beyond Compare, I always make a binary compare with Beyond Compare of the source and the target."

.... thanks for the tips ... also, shortly after I bought the Seagate drive I started reading about serious problems with Seagate USB hard drives ... making clicking noises and just complete failure. So far, since I just discovered that I am able to transfer files much faster with it (March) I have been using it quite a bit and so far all is well ... I have gone over the "half way" mark of having around 300 GB of stored info and all is OK so far. I remember people saying that problems started showing up after going past the 200 or 300 GB mark ... loud clicking noises, general failure and a few other things. Maybe these problems were more with the larger size drives, don't remember much talk about the 500 GB size. I wanted a USB drive with a power adapter and not USB power, Office Max had them on sale 3 yrs ago so I bought this Seagate model. I converted it from NTFS to FAT32 to use with Windows 98SE but it pretty much just sat around in the box till March when I discovered how much faster my files were transferring over using my 4 and 8 GB flash drives. So I have been using it fairly heavy and as I said, all seems to be OK ... maybe I got lucky on this particular model or shipment ... time will tell I guess ... most of the stuff I have on it now will be burned to DVDs shortly when I get the XP setup completely finished on all three IBM notebooks. Want to get all that out of the way and have a final Ghost backup on everything.

dencorso ... appreciate the USB 3 info ... 3 to 7 seconds ... that's fast, so I guess I am just getting USB 2.0 transfer speeds but I am very happy with 25 seconds after having 4 minute transfers with the flash drives. You are the USB guy, one of your many "hats" you wear ... I will wait to hear more about this USB 3.0 from you, rloew, jaclaz or anyone with new information but I sure have no complaints with 25 seconds or just having faster transfer speeds.

thanks ...