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JorgeA

Windows 8 - Deeper Impressions

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P.S. Formfiller, feel free to post that Zombie image ( or any of them ) in those hostile forums, if they'll let you :lol:

That would be a perma-ban most of the time.

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The Win8 adaption rate gets lower each month and is so much slower compared to Vista.

Uptake gap between Windows 8 and Vista widens even as new OS gains share

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9238039/Uptake_gap_between_Windows_8_and_Vista_widens_even_as_new_OS_gains_share

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Some figures to back up the graph --

Net Applications (the source quoted in the article above):

Vista 4.99%, Windows 8 group 3.31% (Win8 3.17%, Windows 8 Touch 0.12%, Windows RT Touch 0.02%)

"Touch" is having a huge impact, I see....

W3Counter (another statistics gatherer):

Vista 5.01%, Win8 3.41%

--JorgeA

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A Not-So-Warm Welcome for Windows 8.1 ( Dvorak PC Magazine 2013-04-03 )

John Dvorak nicely caps off a week of Windows 8 and ReTard news. Microsoft is backing up the Titanic preparing to ram the iceberg again. And yeah, they're even going to go off the naming/numbering reservation again ( recall the crazy idea of calling Windows 6.1 by the fake marketing name of Windows 7. Hey, they already had a perfectly fine name for Windows 6.2: ... Windows Blew. :lol: And they are dropping prices a little. ~yawn~. Basically the touch keyboard will be free on the ReTard version. ~yawn~. Here's a roundup if you can stand it ...

These three are somewhat related but specifically about Dell ...

Dell: "Uncertain adoption" of Windows 8 is part of its reason to go private ( NeoWin 2013-03-30 )

Dell Outlines Reasons for Current Mess in Proxy Statement ( Maximum PC 2013-03-31 )

Dell Forecasts Death of PC in Latest SEC Filing ( Tom's Hardware 2013-04-02 )

We'll soon see if this marriage ever goes forward. It's funny how torn the fanboys are commenting on these articles since they were all prepared to love the crap out of Dell for hooking up with Microsoft ( if by "hooking up" you mean selling your sell to the devil ). Anyway, it seems that behind the scenes Windows 8 is at least a small point of contention in Microsoft's iron-fisted OEM monopoly. Maybe we can switch metaphors to dikes springing a leak once HP makes clear what they are going to do.

Windows Blue/8.1 build 9369 screenshots appear ( NeoWin 2013-04-03 )

Here is the screenshot posted at the link ...

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( Image at NeoWin link )

... Well that just is gross. Horrible. Seriously, people are going to go "night-blind" looking at god-awful bright white and gray all day long. I hope folks don't go driving at night immediately after working on this garbage OS. Oh wait, that's probably covered by the EULA too. :lol: Microsoft "designers" and "engineers" ( apologies to real designers and engineers ) are certifiably insane. They would do well to start working up their résumé package sooner rather than later, and leave out the part about working on this dog.

P.S. found this graphic by someone else, and it fits here perfectly! ...

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( Source )

EDIT: updated image URLs

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Unfreakinbelievable!!!

For the benefit of the time-deprived, if I may quote from some of the posts there --

I've compiled the most biting posts here about W8 and posted it there. Within 10 seconds (!!!!!) it was moved into a section where you need to be logged-in to even read the posts.

Just wow. That was the fastest response I've ever seen in a forum.

No wonder there isn't much W8 hate here over there.

Link:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1145316-madness-that-is-windows-8/

Works only when you're logged-in.

Neowin saga continues: Some mod in that thread said that posting the post in a different, already existing thread would have been okay.

I did it. A few minutes later that post was removed, together with a reply to it from a unrelated member - to erase any signs that it existed.

After I have protested, they banned from the site one minute later! (IP-ban) All I get when I login is "You are not allowed to visit this community."

The insult continues. They sent me this email:

"This account has been banned. Don't bother if you have nothing to contribute or say."

Read: If your contribution doesn't praise W8.

Follow up: I know it's an IP-ban because I get "You are not allowed to visit this community." when I want to open up their forums not logged-in and using a different browser. All cookies etc. (flash ones included) cleared.

--JorgeA

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Sooooo Windows 8.1 is also Windows 6.3? :wacko:

LOL

To help us in understanding that idea, and quoting from one of the favorite books in this thread, all we need to remember is that

War Is Peace

Freedom Is Slavery

Ignorance Is Strength

-- and we'll be all right. It's an example of goodthink (see the entry, "blackwhite"). ;)

--JorgeA

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Here's a good summary of the issues surrounding Windows 8. Click on the link for the details:

Four reasons Windows 8 can't match Vista's adoption rate



  • Upgrade cycles are longer
  • Tablets are replacing PCs
  • People don't like Windows 8
  • Windows 8 tablets haven't been selling

--JorgeA

Note: never mind that last, empty bullet point -- I can't seem to get rid of it.

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Sooooo Windows 8.1 is also Windows 6.3? :wacko:

Time to revisit an older post, #10 in Tihiy's Ex7forW8 thread ...

Well, why call it W8 anyway?

Maybe we should just call them by their real names which might reset expectations accordingly ...

Real Name ---- Marketing

Windows 5.0 ... Windows 2000

Windows 5.1 ... Windows XP

Windows 5.2 ... Windows XP-64

Windows 6.0 ... Windows Vista

Windows 6.1 ... Windows 7

Windows 6.2 ... Windows 8 ... or even better: ... W8 for 9 ... W849! :yes:(patent pending)

Perhaps Microsoft is merely performing some rudimentary arithmetic ...

Windows 6.1 ... 6 + 1 = 7

Windows 6.2 ... 6 + 2 = 8

.. for those customers that require things simple and easy? :whistle:

EDIT: typo!

EDIT2: just thought of a better name for it!

EDIT3: and better yet.

Now with our updated information ...

Windows 6.1 ... 6 + 1.0 = 7

Windows 6.2 ... 6 + 2.0 = 8

Windows 6.3 ... 6 + 2.1 = 8.1 ... ( they added Windows 2.1 to Vista! :lol: )

Therefore ... Vista + Windows 2.1 = Windows 8 Blew rotflmao.gif

Of course, any sensible person would have pressed for ...

Windows 6.2.1 ... or ... 6.21

It's all kind of a moot point since they botched it all up with the "Windows 7" marketing term. I mean, I understand that Vista got a point update to 6.0 from 5.x, but the marketing nonsense of "Windows 7" is ridiculous. I think it demonstrates the siege mentality that Microsoft began not long after Vista and they believed that they could just wish the fail away using marketing nonsense. However, dropping sensible use of numbers by a software company that is supposed to respect numbers is a very bad sign. Any Softies that still care at all about Microsoft should do some research into what happened at that point in time, by those in management that green-lit this break in tradition and common sense. It is clearly when things went right off the rails, apparently forever.

EDIT: math error! Used Windows 3.1 instead of 2.1. Doh!

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The strategic errors just pile up ...

Microsoft pokes fun at Facebook Home and Mark Zuckerberg ( NeoWin 2013-04-04 )

Microsoft's Frank Shaw joins the Facebook Home bashing crowd ( NeoWin 2013-04-04 )

Microsoft disses Facebook Home as so 'two years ago' ( The Verge 2013-04-05 )

I am dumbfounded by this story on two levels ...

One: that Microsoft was caught completely flatfooted here, and if not by surprise, then they were specifically targeted to be NOT invited to this party. This announcement from Facebook is all about Android, in a big way. In fact it is huge to the point that it alone might kill the Microsoft WP effort. I see this as a huge win for Android and for all mid-range to lower-end phones. Facebook just gave the non-premium range of phones a perfectly good reason to be happy with their devices. And even though there is only the one HTC "Facebook phone" thus far, I would expect a bunch more later. If WP has any real chance at all, someone is gonna have to explain it to me.

Two: Microsoft not only got left out, but now they decide to use their Scroogle-esque arrogance and get snarky about it. They have some seriously mentally ill people in Redmond. This is not a professional company any longer. And it is not a good idea to antagonize a service that has around a billion users. Oh wait, never mind, they already are doing that with the Windows user base.

The comments at the article are sometimes angry and sometimes subdued. They realize this was a huge strategic miss and now a compounded error out of arrogance. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.

The Skype debacle: What's happening to my messages? ( NeoWin 2013-04-04 )

Another detailed fumble of strategic services. This one is about broken messaging, in fact a horrendous delivery record, complete with many examples. Skype was a big bite for Microsoft to take, I think they were trying to grab another Facebook-level premium service, but just buying them isn't enough. They have to follow through and make sure it always works perfectly ( it never did in the past ) or else the next backlash will strike them upside the head instead of the previous independent company. Now they own it. Now the issues are theirs.

Sure there are expected problems, that is always the case, but the strategic fumbling is not about that. It is about the reckless nature of Microsoft these days, making incredible decisions quickly rather than careful and thoughtfully. In this case, they killed MSN Messenger and Windows Messenger in favor of a seamless Skype replacement, similarly killing Hotmail for Outlook. These are rash decisions and they only make sense when everything works perfectly. Guess what, they're not perfect. Naturally this follows the incredible craziness in the Windows 8 decsions, like the Start Menu and Aero. Microsoft is not bold, they are simply reckless, like a drunk driver weaving all over the road and hitting every obstacle in its path.

Speaking of Skype, these two important stories were already mentioned above, but should be kept fresh in the news. I know I won't be using Skype except for emergencies ...

Linux group complains to EU, says Microsoft actions are "absolutely anti-competitive" ( NeoWin 2013-03-26 )

Spanish Linux Group Targets Microsoft in Complaint to EU ( Maximum PC 2013-03-26 )

Microsoft under fire in Europe over Windows 8 UEFI Secure Boot ( TechSpot 2013-03-26 )

( Forgot to mention these earlier ) And so it begins. The only problem is the focus on the "Secure Boot" feature. This is a Microsoft misdirection. They purposely are using it like the pea-shell game to DISTRACT everyone from the larger problem. That problem is targeting their OEM preinstallation monopoly and the billion users of Windows to be kidnapped into their Windows 8 Metro walled garden. I wish the Linux groups and the EU well on this but I hope that people across the pond will contact their powers-that-be in Brussels ( or wherever ) and get them to look at the Windows monopoly instead. If they must do something, don't fine them again, it is useless and in fact is a sort of payola. Instead, just ban preinstallation of operating systems completely or move to have Microsoft broken up and have the OS division removed from the rest of the company. The collusion between OS div and everyone else is now completely obvious and there isn't much time left to take action.

EDIT: added article(s)

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Microsoft: Xbox SmartGlass can be used "to spy on your kids" ( NeoWin 2013-03-28 )

As it turns out, the answer is "Yes." The Escapist reports that during a presentation this week at the Game Developers Conference, Microsoft's Rosa Thomas said that she had discovered that Xbox SmartGlass, when connected to the Xbox 360, can also serve as a way to check up on what other people who are playing on the console are doing.

She stated:

"So, interesting enough, I was at work, testing my stuff, and I'm looking and I forgot that I had actually connected to my home Xbox, and I got to see what my kids were doing at home. It's a great way to spy on your kids, I'll tell you".

Now how about them apples? :blink:

More rumors pop up on Microsoft's "always on" next Xbox ( NeoWin 2013-04-04 )

Kotaku reports that, according to a quote from their unnamed insider, "If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started. If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time--currently three minutes, if I remember correctly--the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."

Now admittedly this is a rumor. But, aren't they all rumors at first? Are there any rumors about Microsoft that are not coming true now? The only rumors about Microsoft that I would NOT believe these days would be that they are about to so something sensible. :lol:

The latest roundup of XboxFiles ( The Truth Is Out There ) ...

EDIT: formatting

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Next gadget :whistle:

Idea! idea.gif

A very small muppet theatre, to be placed in front of the Kinect camera, with a single figure moving from time to time (battery powered), coming together with a special correction lens that will let the Kinect think it is a single human staring at the screen from an armchair placed at approximately 2.50 m distance. :yes:

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Before anyone complains :w00t: , the idea is not entirely original, it was inspired by worship.gif:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081607/Speeding-puppet-seat-British-car-makes-muppets-German-police.html

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:lol:

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I took a trip back last night and watched an old video. Good old Video Professor: Learn Windows 3.1 on VHS. Certainly it has no bad reviews:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/video_professor_learn_windows_version_31/

In the video, the "Professor" explains the OS to the viewer under the idea that they

1) know how to use DOS

2) know nothing about previous versions of Windows

So he needs to explains why it is called Windows anyways. The fact that you can have multiple Windows on your screen, as he puts it: as many as your memory allows. I certainly know people that fall into that category... mostly those who haven't fully grasped tabbed browsing... :rolleyes:

In Windows 8 it is still possible to open as many windows as you want, but only if you go to the desktop. But if Microsoft really does want to get rid of the desktop, then they are going to have to get rid of the name Windows as well! :o

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Just for the record, traditionally 6.21 (in the good ol' days) didn't last a lot, it was a "quick fix" (strangely enough connected with a patent infringement) before the 6.22 was released:

http://www.oldcomputermuseum.com/os/msdos_6.21.html

jaclaz

I was always torn on that one. On one hand, yes, Microsoft absolutely boosted the algorithm from the Stacker source. On the other hand, the algorithm was yet another implementation of LZ77 + Huffman encoding (PKZIP, gzip, PNG, etc.) and wasn't anything particularly innovative. I'd have been more satisfied were Microsoft found guilty of copyright infringement rather than patent infringement. Admittedly, I haven't gone through the patents, but I wouldn't be surprised if they read something like "Apply LZ77 + Huffman to FAT rather than individual files." Groundbreaking.

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... The XboxFiles just got a whole lot more interesting! ...

Microsoft creative director on always-on console: #dealwithit ( TechSpot 2013-04-05 )

Microsoft Studios creative director debates 'always on' game console stance ( NeoWin 2013-04-05 )

Microsoft creative director: 'I don't get the drama' over 'always-on' Xbox rumors ( The Verge 2013-04-05 )

Microsoft Xbox gaffe reveals cloudy arrogance. ( No, we're not all online all the time ) ( UK Register 2013-04-05 )

Microsoft issues statement apologizing for employee's Twitter comments on next-generation Xbox ( The Verge 2013-04-05 )

Snarky Microsoft Director Tweets Support for Always-On Consoles ( Maximum PC 2013-04-05 )

Microsoft employee on rumored Xbox Internet requirement: “#dealwithit” ( Ars Technica 2013-04-05 )

Microsoft apologizes for employee's 'inappropriate' Twitter comments ( NeoWin 2013-04-05 )

Microsoft, BioWare Argue Over 'Always Online' Console ( Tom's Hardware 2013-04-07 )

"Sorry, I don't get the drama around having an always-on console," Orth tweeted. "Every device is 'always on'. That's the world we live in. #dealwithit."

When it was pointed out to him that not everyone lives in a world where internet access is guaranteed – such as Janesville, Wisconsin or Blacksberg, Virginia – Orth's response was tactless, although one suspects accurate from his point of view.

"Why on earth would I live there?"

Wow, just wow. That patented Microsoft arrogance with a generous side order of siege mentality. These Softies couldn't be more tone-deaf if they pounded spikes into their ears.

After the gaffe by Creative Director "Orthy", he moved into damage control mode, that means lying, and walked it back by trying to tell us he was in a private discussion ...

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... Yeah right, a private conversation on Twitter by a person self-identified as a Microsoft employee.

Well that wasn't the end of it ...

Microsoft has released an official response ...
We apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter.

Of course the apology concerns the PC aspect of city vs rural sensibilities, which is one thing, but the larger point of Microsoft arrogance and the destruction of their next relatively successful intellectual property, the Xbox, is still on the front burner. Their path of wanton destruction through their portfolio continues unabated. It's as if Steve Jobs is haunting the halls of Redmond. :yes:

And the punchline has to be: "his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers.". Customer centric? :lol: Pheww. This is like the Keystone cops. Circular firing qquad. The Gang that couldn't shoot straight. The earlier comparison to EA is looking very prescient now.

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Adam_Orth - Sorry I don't get the drama around having an "always on" console. Every device now is "always on". That's the world we live in. #dealwithit

Manveerheir - Did you learn nothing from Diablo III or SimCity? You know some people's internet goes out right? Deal with it is Sh***y response.

Adam_Orth - Electricity goes out too.

Manveerheir - You've live in LA, SF, Seattle...very connected places. Try living in Janesville, WI or Blacksburg, VA.

Adam_Oth - Why on earth would I live there?

Oh yea, I know this attitude from MS reps. On channel9 I had a lively flame war about their klling-off of Small Business Server. Topic came up that many places, even in the developed world, have bad internet connections and they just can't go full-cloud. Laws in many countries forbid full-cloud solutions for "sensible" professions too (like lawyers). The response of their main shill there was basically "who cares?"

Here it is:

http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Microsoft-continues-to-please-their-existing-customers?page=3

>Are you also aware, internet connection aside, that in some countries cloud computing on foreign servers is effectively forbidden for certain professions, like lawyers?

>So to be with the new Microsoft vision, you need to relocate your business. Wooha!

MS rep reply: In some countries (like North Korea and Syria) it's illegal to run Microsoft Server entirely. I wonder how much Microsoft gives a ****. Or the users in that country for that matter.

Their arrogance and loon-attitude is sky high nowadays. Funny thing is that the more under pressure, the more arrogant they become. Inverting all common sense business rules. That Channel9 link has more such gems. Recommended reading.

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(small) Pearls of wisdom for today (directly from MS Windows 8 site):

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/how-sign-in-as-administrator

How do I know I'm signed in as an administrator?

To sign in as an administrator, you need to know the user name and password for an administrator account on the PC.

Sure, :yes: but I actually asked you how do I know if I am ALREADY signed in as an administrator, if I wanted to know how to to sign in as an administrator, I would have asked that question INSTEAD.

If you don't have an administrator account, you can ask an administrator to change your account type.

Listen, pal, if I had an administrator available, I would have asked him/her this question, and not come here to be told to find an administrator! :rolleyes:

If you're not sure which type of account you have, you can check after you've signed in by doing the following:

...

Swipe in from the right edge of the screen, tap Settings, and then tap Change PC settings.

...

But I don't want to change any setting! :ph34r: I just want to know if I am signed in as administrator... :angel

....

Your account type is displayed below your user name.

....

Ah, OK, thanks. :)

....

If your account type is Administrator, then you're currently signed in as an administrator.

....

Really :w00t: I actually was unable to draw this conclusion myself, I can §@ç#ing READ, you know :realmad: (otherwise I would have asked an administrator, hoping he can actually read .... )

jaclaz

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Neowin masochists are at it again. I am seriously thinking about launching that kickstarter SM studio coupon project to relieve these whinnies:

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-studios-creative-director-debates-always-on-game-console-stance

whats funny is most of the people "outraged" all have 24/7 internet. I hope this rumor is true, it will instantly get rid of dirty pirates. you can all say you wont buy the next xbox,but if this pleases developers,guess where they are going to start putting their resources? exactly. you can have your ps4 that wont have all the latest and greatest games.

...

Microsoft should build what they want to build, not be forced into serving a million entitled masters.

Customer satisfaction is for the weak minded, the only good customer-corp relation is being kicked in the a** while shoving money in theirs.

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The strategic errors just pile up ...

Microsoft pokes fun at Facebook Home and Mark Zuckerberg ( NeoWin 2013-04-04 )

Microsoft's Frank Shaw joins the Facebook Home bashing crowd ( NeoWin 2013-04-04 )

Microsoft disses Facebook Home as so 'two years ago' ( The Verge 2013-04-05 )

I am dumbfounded by this story on two levels ...

One: that Microsoft was caught completely flatfooted here, and if not by surprise, then they were specifically targeted to be NOT invited to this party. This announcement from Facebook is all about Android, in a big way. In fact it is huge to the point that it alone might kill the Microsoft WP effort. I see this as a huge win for Android and for all mid-range to lower-end phones. Facebook just gave the non-premium range of phones a perfectly good reason to be happy with their devices. And even though there is only the one HTC "Facebook phone" thus far, I would expect a bunch more later. If WP has any real chance at all, someone is gonna have to explain it to me.

Two: Microsoft not only got left out, but now they decide to use their Scroogle-esque arrogance and get snarky about it. They have some seriously mentally ill people in Redmond. This is not a professional company any longer. And it is not a good idea to antagonize a service that has around a billion users. Oh wait, never mind, they already are doing that with the Windows user base.

The post by Frank Shaw was pathetic. They don't get it that Windows Phone is a niche system (that's what you get for abandoning your mobile customers constanty - Microsoft: "Windows Mobile? Never existed!" [metro as a design language doesn't seem to wow people either]).

They remind me of the Linuxistas back when MS didn't receive their strategic papers from the loony bin. They would also act offended when some company used a feature they had before; "we had repositories before Apple!" *whine*. Well, no one cares, since almost no one uses them when you're a 1% system. Was Microsoft seriously thinking that no one ever would implement some WP features on a non-niche OS?

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whats funny is most of the people "outraged" all have 24/7 internet. I hope this rumor is true, it will instantly get rid of dirty pirates.

What these people aren't saying is that the kind of 'piracy' prevented by always online is in regards to microtranactions, which is an undesirable feature to start with. Gamers put up with it in always-online free-to-play games because they recognize it as an economic reality, but cosmetic bolt-ons and especially pay-to-win are highly undesirable in full retail games.

you can all say you wont buy the next xbox,but if this pleases developers,guess where they are going to start putting their resources?

Wherever the customers go.

exactly. you can have your ps4 that wont have all the latest and greatest games.

That would be corporate suicide.

Microsoft should build what they want to build, not be forced into serving a million entitled masters.

Yeah, how dare people expect to change money for working products. Having millions of them is even worse. Can't they just jive the corporations all their money and shut up about it?

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Yeah, how dare people expect to change money for working products. Having millions of them is even worse. Can't they just jive the corporations all their money and shut up about it?

Bears the question what the f*** is wrong with these enablers? I have no love for people who pirate so much stuff that they could fill ten blu-rays everyday, but this other extreme of willful corporate servitude p***es me off.

I am starting to believe that these folks are genuinely masochistically inclined. What do you think? Begging corps. to deliver a worse experience in return for cash, and cheering them on when they really do it, is way beyond fanboy. It's also interesting that the juices of these retards begin really to flow when it's about forced big brother type tech. They get really excited then.

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