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Microsoft's Terry Myerson: Android is "a mess", no need for Surface phone, and more on WP8 ( NeoWin 2013-04-16 )

Google's Eric Schmidt: 1.5 million Android activations per day ( NeoWin 2013-04-16 )

Yep, that some kinda "mess" right there. So Terry, tell me something. What exactly is WP8 and RT getting? A million activations a month or a quarter? :lol: Jealousy is one of the seven deadly sins.


Latest Windows 8.1 build shows new search features, pulls content from the web ( NeoWin 2013-04-16 )

... the new feature will allow you to use suggestions from the web as you search on your machine.

Besides the obvious benefit of being tied into the web via your desktop, this will likely give Bing a considerable boost in searches.


:blink: Ah, once again blurring the lines between online and offline. Taking that Win98 active desktop and channels thing into the bigtime. Except in this century we have fast downloads on broadband, and by using BING what could possibly go wrong? Let me think ... Oh yeah, Study says Bing is five times more likely to find malware than Google. On the bright side, this means that on Windows 8 you'll be able to just start typing, oh I don't know, "Metro Sucks" and get instant results. Maybe even a hit on a link back to this very thread! :lol:


Windows 8.1 'Files' app revealed in leaked build 9369, file browsing comes to the Modern UI ( NeoWin 2013-04-16 )

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I would swear this one is an April Fool's joke, but it ain't. So once again I have awoken into an alternate universe where someone is demonstrating some random 3rd party operating system, maybe a beta of a *nix shell developed by students in some high school.

For a while I was actually wondering how the design committee was planning to outdo their handiwork revising the file collision dialog on Vista/7/8. This must is the answer. One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. A perfect example of square pegs in round holes ...

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Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 15 May 2013 - 06:22 PM.

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http://tech.slashdot...51&cid=43465225

...That's just because you're too primitive and non-fashionable enough to realize the true beauty and wonder* of putting the gas above your head and splitting the brake into three pedals, a button, two switches, and voice control. Oh, and Facebook integration.


Fun joke. *LOL*


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http://arstechnica.c...chinas-foxconn/

http://arstechnica.c...gle-to-wake-up/

http://paidcontent.o...hone-7-revenue/

The Redmond software giant has insisted for years now that any company making Android phones needs to license its patents.That campaign has generally been successful; so successful, in fact, that by 2011 Microsoft was making more money from patent licensing than from its own mobile phone system.


Would it be too much of a stretch to say, it is a little similar to a kind of racketeering business? :sneaky:

Edited by ciHnoN, 17 April 2013 - 03:18 AM.

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Patents 5,579,517 and 5,758,352, issued in 1996, "relate to implementing both long and short file names in the same file system," Microsoft says. The complaint goes on to mention the FAT16 file system used by MS-DOS and early versions of Windows.



Microsoft claims the Motorola Droid 2, the Droid X and numerous other Motorola Android phones violate these and other patents.

Next on the list is U.S. Patent No. 6,621,746, which was issued in 2003 and relates to a monitoring system that determines when to erase data from flash memory devices.

PATENTED: Microsoft patents 'record button on a computer system'

Microsoft's Patent no. 6,826,762 from 2004 covers APIs related to cellular technology, including one that lets applications "issue commands without needing knowledge of the cellular telephone's underlying radio structure and without needing specific knowledge of the radio network's specific commands."

More patents include:

• No. 6,909,910 from 2005 for "managing changes to a contact database."

• No. 7,644,376, issued in 2010 to cover an API that lets mobile apps learn about state changes in the device.

• No. 5,664,133 from 1997 covering "context sensitive menu system/menu behavior," known more generally as a graphical user interface that lets users "quickly and easily select/execute the desired computer resource."

• No. 6,578,054 from 2003 covering online and offline transmission of data through methods that "eliminate data transmission and allow multiple copies of data to be synchronized via incremental changes."

• No. 6,370,566 from 2002, with the self-explanatory title, "Generating Meeting Requests and Group Scheduling From a Mobile Device."


• No. 5,778,372 from 1998, titled "Remote Retrieval and Display Management of Electronic Document with Incorporated Images," covering a browser that initially displays electronic documents without background images so they can be loaded more quickly.

• No. 6,339,780 from 2002, titled "Loading Status in a Hypermedia Browser Having a Limited Display Area," referring to a temporary graphic element that displays while a browser is loading content.

• No. 5,889,522 from 1999, titled "System Provided Child Windows Controls," covering a dynamic link library for implementing window controls in an operating system.
Related Content

• No. 6,891,551 from 2005, titled "Selection Handles in Editing Electronic Documents," a method of highlighting and selecting elements in documents with the ability to resize and drag selections.

• No. 6,957,233 from 2005, titled "Method and Apparatus for Capturing and Rendering Annotations for Non-modifiable Electronic Content," letting users select objects on pages they otherwise cannot edit, and storing annotations "separately from the non-modifiable portion of the file."



Edited by ciHnoN, 17 April 2013 - 03:23 AM.

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Gott'a love this one:

http://www.neowin.ne...nt-from-the-web

"Latest Windows 8.1 build shows new search features, pulls content from the web"

Edited by ciHnoN, 17 April 2013 - 03:46 AM.

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Windows 8.1 'Files' app revealed in leaked build 9369, file browsing comes to the Modern UI ( NeoWin 2013-04-16 )

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I would swear this one is an April Fool's joke, but it ain't. So once again I have awoken into an alternate universe where someone is demonstrating some random 3rd party operating system, maybe a beta of a *nix shell developed by students in some high school.

For a while I was actually wondering how the design committee was planning to outdo their handiwork revising the file collision dialog on Vista/7/8. This must is the answer. One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. A perfect example of square pegs in round holes ...

Unlike earlier reports of the Start Button coming back, this one is bad news. Adding more and more computer management functions to the Metro side is a clear indication that MSFT is forging ahead with the rumored plans to eliminate the Desktop altogether. Once it is possible to perform every management function in Metro (in however crippled or fully featured a way), from their perspective there will no longer be a need for the Desktop and they can erase it from the Windows code.

At that point, not only will we be stuck with that hideous interface, but as @ciHnoN points out, we'll also be stuck with getting all our programs via the Windows Store. :angrym: Unless somebody figures out a way to do sideloading or jailbreak Metro.

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EDIT: typo

Edited by JorgeA, 17 April 2013 - 09:57 AM.


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Patents 5,579,517 and 5,758,352, issued in 1996, "relate to implementing both long and short file names in the same file system," Microsoft says. The complaint goes on to mention the FAT16 file system used by MS-DOS and early versions of Windows.



Microsoft claims the Motorola Droid 2, the Droid X and numerous other Motorola Android phones violate these and other patents.

Next on the list is U.S. Patent No. 6,621,746, which was issued in 2003 and relates to a monitoring system that determines when to erase data from flash memory devices.

PATENTED: Microsoft patents 'record button on a computer system'

Microsoft's Patent no. 6,826,762 from 2004 covers APIs related to cellular technology, including one that lets applications "issue commands without needing knowledge of the cellular telephone's underlying radio structure and without needing specific knowledge of the radio network's specific commands."

More patents include:

• No. 6,909,910 from 2005 for "managing changes to a contact database."

• No. 7,644,376, issued in 2010 to cover an API that lets mobile apps learn about state changes in the device.

• No. 5,664,133 from 1997 covering "context sensitive menu system/menu behavior," known more generally as a graphical user interface that lets users "quickly and easily select/execute the desired computer resource."

• No. 6,578,054 from 2003 covering online and offline transmission of data through methods that "eliminate data transmission and allow multiple copies of data to be synchronized via incremental changes."

• No. 6,370,566 from 2002, with the self-explanatory title, "Generating Meeting Requests and Group Scheduling From a Mobile Device."


• No. 5,778,372 from 1998, titled "Remote Retrieval and Display Management of Electronic Document with Incorporated Images," covering a browser that initially displays electronic documents without background images so they can be loaded more quickly.

• No. 6,339,780 from 2002, titled "Loading Status in a Hypermedia Browser Having a Limited Display Area," referring to a temporary graphic element that displays while a browser is loading content.

• No. 5,889,522 from 1999, titled "System Provided Child Windows Controls," covering a dynamic link library for implementing window controls in an operating system.
Related Content

• No. 6,891,551 from 2005, titled "Selection Handles in Editing Electronic Documents," a method of highlighting and selecting elements in documents with the ability to resize and drag selections.

• No. 6,957,233 from 2005, titled "Method and Apparatus for Capturing and Rendering Annotations for Non-modifiable Electronic Content," letting users select objects on pages they otherwise cannot edit, and storing annotations "separately from the non-modifiable portion of the file."

When you can "patent" such tiny picayune functions, it shows that the patent system is totally out of control. Wonder if MSFT also has a patent for "flexing index, ring, and pinky fingers while fully extending middle finger."

This is ridiculous. The way things work today, could Heny Ford or a comparable early auto engineer have patented "methods" for starting a car engine, steering, applying brakes, opening a door?

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This is ridiculous.

AND outdated. :whistle:

Fresh news:
Microsoft adds Foxconn parent to list of Android patent deal scalps
http://www.zdnet.com...lps-7000014133/

Microsoft signs Chrome and Android deal with Foxconn parent Hon Hai
http://www.guardian....foxconn-hon-hai

List here:
http://www.fosspaten...signs-with.html

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Edited by jaclaz, 17 April 2013 - 10:33 AM.


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This is ridiculous.

AND outdated. :whistle:

Fresh news:
Microsoft adds Foxconn parent to list of Android patent deal scalps
http://www.zdnet.com...lps-7000014133/

These links don't seem to make the older ones "outdated" in the sense that the idea of MSFT dominating via patent law no longer applies. If anything, the new information confirms the ridiculous situation and shows that things are even worse than before.

I'll be happy to be shown that things are better than I'm interpreting them...

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These links don't seem to make the older ones "outdated" in the sense that the idea of MSFT dominating via patent law no longer applies. If anything, the new information confirms the ridiculous situation and shows that things are even worse than before.

Naaah, outdated in the sense that they were old news, the reality (updated) is worse. :ph34r:

Of course the real cause of this is the US patent office and related Laws, in Europe things appear much better.

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Ah, OK, thanks.


These links don't seem to make the older ones "outdated" in the sense that the idea of MSFT dominating via patent law no longer applies. If anything, the new information confirms the ridiculous situation and shows that things are even worse than before.

Naaah, outdated in the sense that they were old news, the reality (updated) is worse. :ph34r:

Just as I feared. :(

Of course the real cause of this is the US patent office and related Laws, in Europe things appear much better.

Let's hope that some court, anywhere, shows a degree of sanity over this issue. Using the patent system to suppress competition (lower prices, build-on innovation) would seem to make a mockery of the argument that patents exist to make things better.

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:hello: Hi all -- new member here, just wanted to let you all know how happy I am to have found the *one* sane forum with regards to the whole WinH8 mess...I found this site when my blog stats showed some traffic coming from here (thanks for the plug!).

With regards to the rampant "Windows 8 is great" posts everywhere, I am seeing a striking similarity to what eBay does (particularly with regards to their PayPal division)...for those who don't know, they legally hire shills via a third party called Liveworld, which is how they manage to dodge the $11K/message FTC fine.

What I don't understand is, with MicroSux deliberately doing away with the desktop in the near future, i.e. the main work tool of the world, how is any...um...work going to get done? This truly baffles me. Retirement can't come soon enough!

Don't know if this was already shared, check out the reference at the end of this article.

Looking forward to sharing more thoughts/observations/facepalms on this topic!

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I spent some time tonight looking into whether it's possible to block advertisements in Metro IE10, which as we know "boasts" a limited feature set.

Initial findings are not encouraging:

http://superuser.com...-ui-and-desktop

http://forum.xda-dev....php?p=40260341

http://forum.admunch...4489bd9fa7c8111

This brings up the following question: if (or, more likely, when) Microsoft eliminates the Desktop altogether, it may well become impossible to blot out unwanted ads. Users may need to resort to modifying the Hosts file (assuming that that even remains possible), a tedious and haphazard approach.

Does anybody have insight on this? (I nominate @jaclaz as the most likely to find a definitive answer... ;) )

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EDIT: clarity

Edited by JorgeA, 17 April 2013 - 11:01 PM.


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:hello: Hi all -- new member here, just wanted to let you all know how happy I am to have found the *one* sane forum with regards to the whole WinH8 mess...I found this site when my blog stats showed some traffic coming from here (thanks for the plug!).

With regards to the rampant "Windows 8 is great" posts everywhere, I am seeing a striking similarity to what eBay does (particularly with regards to their PayPal division)...for those who don't know, they legally hire shills via a third party called Liveworld, which is how they manage to dodge the $11K/message FTC fine.

What I don't understand is, with MicroSux deliberately doing away with the desktop in the near future, i.e. the main work tool of the world, how is any...um...work going to get done? This truly baffles me. Retirement can't come soon enough!

Don't know if this was already shared, check out the reference at the end of this article.

Looking forward to sharing more thoughts/observations/facepalms on this topic!

d

Welcome to the thread! I'm glad that you found us.

"Deeper Impressions" has indeed become something of a "safe haven" for PC users who aren't thrilled with Windows 8 or with the computing trends that the new OS implies. Feel free to fill us in on topics we've touched on, or to add new angles or data points to the discussion.

That's a good question, how the folks at MS think people will get actual work done when Metro takes over completely and we're stuck with screens lacking in user controls and visual cues, and a population (information) density rivaling that of the Sahara. It's one reason serious Windows users are keen to nip this Metro thing in the bud: we look beyond the tips of our noses, and realize that waiting 'til the Desktop is eliminated will be too late. Therefore we are not impressed by the argument that "you still have the Desktop" -- we realize full well where things are headed.

Very interesting, the tidbit about using "Liveworld" to puff up the apparent degree of support for Windows 8. How'd you discover that? I'm going to predict that some thread participants will be eager to look into it and report on their findings. :yes:

Anyway, I look forward to your contributions!

--JorgeA (the OP :) )

Edited by JorgeA, 17 April 2013 - 11:00 PM.


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Very interesting, the tidbit about using "Liveworld" to puff up the apparent degree of support for Windows 8. How'd you discover that? I'm going to predict that some thread participants will be eager to look into it and report on their findings. :yes:


I became a fervent anti-eBay crusader after they began implementing a ton of hostile changes to their selling experience aimed at getting rid of smaller sellers like myself. It didn't take long for me to notice something fishy in their discussion boards (particularly with regards to PayPal). I began posting my suspicions in my blog and got a number of emails from tipsters informing me of the Liveworld connection. It's now well enough known to the point that these shills don't even deny it when accused. This site was a really good source of information, lots of damning screenshots...I even started a forum just to spotlight their stupidity. Now, whether MicroSux uses Liveworld specifically I can't say, but cybershilling is a growing business.

The only thing that puzzles me is how do they recruit children (one would still think they're violating some kind of child employment laws)...

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North Korean Missile Test Delayed by Windows 8

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Like the link to the North Korean missile test.
If they are using Win8 then if the test goes wrong, then I can see problems disabling "Angry Birds" to get at the self destruct

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future prediction
year 2020 MS OS division doesn't exist
If you want true Windows user experience
try Longhorn builds: 3718, 4029, 4066

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sparkles :), with all due respect, I have rarely seen so much nonsense as in the forum you linked to, this thread particularly:
http://78886.activeb...rime-worldwide/

So, a lot of crooks use e-bay to re-sell stolen or counterfeited goods, hardly news :unsure:, but this is a mish-mash of every possible article about criminal behaviour where the words "e-bay" or "paypal" are mentioned.

People that formerly worked for e-bay committing crimes like child abuse or homicides? :w00t:
http://78886.activeb...ldwide/?page=19

What the heck has this to do with whatever evil commercial practices e-bay or paypal or both may do (or do not)?

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See how many of the comments who are legit but negative about Windows 8 get a "minus" rating... ah yeah, Ars sure knows where the butter comes from too... http://arstechnica.c...ers/?comments=1

Comment rating is one of the other ways to censor things in people's minds. Some websites even hide the minus rated comments so you have to actively click on it to show it. They most likely brag about how they "don't delete" or "censor" comments.

Allow me to go first:

hah!


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sparkles :), with all due respect, I have rarely seen so much nonsense as in the forum you linked to, this thread particularly...


Yeah most of it is just for laughs but on occasion he finds something particularly funny (note the Win8 PayPal link)...the Ecommercebytes site is a good source for eBay news/laughter as well.

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Like the link to the North Korean missile test.
If they are using Win8 then if the test goes wrong, then I can see problems disabling "Angry Birds" to get at the self destruct

:D :lol:

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future prediction
year 2020 MS OS division doesn't exist

That's a good one! Considering that they're running out of ideas (currently rehashing old concepts by implementing a flat UI with limited tiling in place of infinitely flexible windows), maybe that's the best thing that can happen.

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North Korean Missile Test Delayed by Windows 8

Well, the Borowitz Report :thumbup is a good source for almost anything, another not so much OT recent one:
http://www.newyorker...te-of-time.html
:lol:

And now, in a (swift :unsure:) unexptected move, let's talk of CHEAP 7" tablets (and having LOTS of them):
http://techland.time...w-cost-tablets/
Can these 50 to 70 Euro "no name" ones (example, redo on your local e-bay):
http://www.ebay.it/s...2&_skc=50&rt=nc
be "good enough" for doing the ONLY things that you can do on a 7" tablet ? (yes working on it is EXCLUDED ab initio :angel )


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Edited by jaclaz, 19 April 2013 - 11:36 AM.


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Well, the Borowitz Report :thumbup is a good source for almost anything, another not so much OT recent one:
http://www.newyorker...te-of-time.html


Speaking of Fakebook, there are five fb pages with the title "Windows 8 Sucks," the most popular one having ~2,200 likes, along with "Windows 8 Sucks as a Desktop OS" (with 86 likes) and "Windows 8 Sucks Ballz" with 15 likes.

There's also a "Windows 8 sucks sucks" page, the title of which I cannot yet interpret as the page is devoid of any content...

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Looks like boot to desktop and start menu are coming back.
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