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As with stock-market fluctuations, unemployment data, pre-election polls, and sports performance (win-loss percentages, batting averages), the most useful focus is not on day-to-day swings but on the trends that the data suggests, especially in relation to other comparable sets of data. For example, how Windows 8 is doing in its first several months vs. how Windows 7 and Vista did in their first several months.

Not only.
The issue here is also that if I make a "trend" using the data from 01/02/2013 or the data from 28/01/2013 I find a noticeable difference in the "trend".

If there can be such big differences as 1.5% fluctuations over three days, what happens if I use the data from (say) the 25/04/2013 instead of those from 01/05/2013? :ph34r:

AND there is another issue, let's get only the data from the 1st of February and compare them with the 1st of May.

The OSX's over the three month period February/April has fluctuated between 6.40% and 6.42% (please read as "stable/unchanged").
Windows XP loses 1.2% (from 39.51% to 38.31%)
Windows Vista :ph34r: loses 0.49%.
Windows 7 "gains" around 0.24% (substantially "stable").
Others lose 0.11% (again substantially "stable").
Windows 8 gains 1.56% (from 2.26% to 3.82%)

Percentage represent os Share, thus the 100% that you get something those percentages represent the total number of devices (let's call them conventionally "PC's") "in existence".

Now we don't have real numbers from the good MS guys, but we have a statement on january 9 that they sold "over 60 million licenses" (presumably up to December 2012)
http://www.pcworld.c...60-million.html

Let's hypotize that those sales need on average 15 to 20 days to "get online" and thus be "registered" by netmarketshare.

So the 2.26% should correspond (roughly) to 60 millions of license sold, i..e. each 1% should correspond to 26,500,000 licenses.
That means that the 100% on 01/02/2013 corresponds to a total amount of "PC's" (as "loosely" defined above) of 2,650,000,000. :w00t:

Let's see which "data" (please do notice the double quotes around the word "data") we can gather from other sources:
http://www.c-i-a.com/pr02012012.htm
at the end of 2011 we had in the world around 1,600,000,000 and forecasts were to reach 2,550,000,000 in 2016.

Gartner (another source often cited for this kind of figures) tells us (rounded numbers for simplicity):
http://www.gartner.c...room/id/1981717
1 Q 2012 = 89,000,000
http://www.gartner.c...room/id/2079015
2 Q 2012 = 87,500,000
http://www.gartner.c...room/id/2194017
3 Q 2012 = 87,500,000
http://www.gartner.c...room/id/2301715
4 Q 2012 = 90,300,000

89,000,000+87,500,000+87,500,000+90,300,000=354,300,000 units shipped worldwide in 2012.

Now, 1,600,000,000+354,300,000= 1,954,300,000.
Consider that a number of the PC's supposedly shipped in 2012 are "replacement units", so the actual number of PC's in use will be less than the above, to round things up (and still largely "in favour" of the good MS guys) we can consider at the most 1,900,000,000 total PC's in use.

Then let's get also the "Gartner data" for 1st quarter 2013:
http://www.gartner.c...room/id/2420816
1 Q 2013 = 79,200,000


In the best case the total number of PC's in use on 01/05/2013 can be around 1,975,000,000.
Windows 8 represents 3,82% of those, i.e. 3,82%*1,975,000,000 = 75,445,000

In the best case the total number of PC's in use on 01/02/2013 can be around 1,915,000,000.
Windows 8 represents 2,26% of those, i.e. 2,26%*1,915,000,000 = 43,279,000

There is a problem here. :whistle:

Would it be possible that the good MS guys slightly "pumped up" (by a mere 50%) the amount of licenses sold in 2012? :unsure:
Or maybe they counted in the Windows RT licenses (please read as "Surface RT", which should not be included in the "Gartner data") and sold some 20,000,000 of those .... :whistle:

It is more likely that people buy a license for Windows 8 from Microsoft and wait roughly 3 months before installing/going online (and thus "reach" netmarketshare).

Now let's use these newly found "total PC's" and let see how the others behaved:
OSX's
6.40%*1,915,000,000 = 122,560,000
6.42%*1,975,000,000 = 126,795,000
The good Apple guys then sold around 126,795,000-122,560,000=4,235,000 of their nice thingies (excluding the iPad)
This substantially matches Apples sales in Q1 2013 (excluding iOS devices):
http://techcrunch.co...2013-in-charts/
http://techcrunch.co...es-mac-problem/
4.1 millions are near enough to 4,235,000 to "validate" our calculations.

And now the nice part :yes: .

Windows 8
2.26%*1,915,000,000 = 43,279,000
3.82%*1,975,000,000 = 75,445,000
75,445,000-43,279,000= 32,166,000 more PC's were running Windows 8 on 01/05/2013 than on 01/02/2013

Windows 7:
44,48%*1,915,000,000 = 851,792,000
44,72%*1,975,000,000 = 883,220,000
883,220,000 - 851,792,000 = 31,428,000 more PC's were running Windows 7 on 01/05/2013 than on 01/02/2013

In the trimester examined the increase in the number of PC's using Windows 7 is almost equal to the increase of the number of PC's running Windows 8.

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Thanks for the analysis, jaclaz -- very nice!

Just one comment --

Would it be possible that the good MS guys slightly "pumped up" (by a mere 50%) the amount of licenses sold in 2012? :unsure:
Or maybe they counted in the Windows RT licenses (please read as "Surface RT", which should not be included in the "Gartner data") and sold some 20,000,000 of those .... :whistle:

It is more likely that people buy a license for Windows 8 from Microsoft and wait roughly 3 months before installing/going online (and thus "reach" netmarketshare).

The question hinges on what, exactly, they mean by "licenses sold." IIRC, Mary Jo Foley (and probably others) suggested that this could include licenses for PCs yet to be manufactured, or in the pipeline but not yet purchased by end users. If that's the case, then it would support the idea that MSFT "pumped up" the initial estimates to make them look better at the time. Book publishers can tell you all about print runs sold to stores but not to actual readers...

There are other uncertainties in the numbers put out by Netmarketshares and others. For example, it's doubtful that they can know directly how many PCs with each OS there are out there; therefore, they're deriving estimates from the data in HTTP headers. It's not unreasonable to theorize that a person with a shiny new toy Windows 8 PC might want to take it out for a test drive on the Web and check out how it performs, leading to some additional amount of Web surfing relative to their previous PC's established level. (As the novelty wore off, the new Win8 PC's use would presumably also settle down eventually to somewhere close to the previous PC's level of use.) This would show up in the stats for a while as a certain degree of excess hits for Windows 8 over the actual proportion of PCs with that OS installed.

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EDIT: clarification

Edited by JorgeA, 03 May 2013 - 02:01 PM.


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OT, maybe, but since it got brought up way back at post#2690, this Add-on/Extension for Firefox gets rid of that nasty Google Redirect quite nicely! I may quit using IE altogether! :thumbup
https://addons.mozil...o-tracking-url/

"The Finder" sidetracked me into "finding" something! BTW, Google (AFAICT) needs to be "allowed" in NoScript to even function. This Extension just scratches out the "extraneous stuff" like the Opera Add-on does.
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why even use google ? :P

Edited by vinifera, 03 May 2013 - 03:58 PM.

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Looks like I am in good form today.

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Edited by Formfiller, 04 May 2013 - 12:06 AM.


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News from Scroogled. They have changed direction, it's all about apps now.

http://www.scroogled.com/


GOOGLE SHARES YOUR PERSONAL INFO WITH APP MAKERS

When you buy an Android app from the Google app store, they give the app maker your full name, email address and the neighborhood where you live. This occurs without clear warning every single time you buy an app.

Watch the video to see how you get Scroogled

If you can't trust Google's app store, how can you trust them for anything?


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IRONY:

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Microsoft Reportedly Prepping a Smaller, Cheaper Surface Tablet ( Maximum PC 2013-05-03 )

Future Surface may have 7.5" display, for less than $399 ( NeoWin 2013-05-03 )

This story is really making the rounds. They are apparently looking at the smaller sizes finally, but what took so long? One year ago they announced those Surface units and 6 months ago it was released ( the ReTard version, the Pro was about 3 months ago ). So they are well over one year late, perhaps two, in considering the obvious that so many commenters wrote here a long time ago. You cannot penetrate the mobile market by pretending to be Apple and try to sell way overpriced Netbooks. So we were right. Furthermore, because of the Redmond management Idiocracy, the super mis-timing has cost them any chance on the lower end of mobile. While Microsoft was busy snoozing and dreaming of counting apples, the lower end of the market was overtaken by countless devices that they will never be able to compete with unless Microsoft maybe gives them away for free. They are so screwed now.

Finally, just how will they put a keyboard cover on that thing? How do you lop 3 inches off that already barely useable cover. Knowing Microsoft they will leave it off and still set the price as if it is included.



Gigabyte teases customizable, high-res UEFI for Haswell motherboards ( TechSpot 2013-05-03 )

As for the layout of the UEFI, the outer edges have been designed to show real-time stats without having to navigate through multiple sub-menus. Users will be able to monitor CPU, memory and system stats on-the-fly in addition to temperatures, fan speeds and voltages.

If that wasn’t enough, the firmware looks to be completely customizable as well. The teaser image shows a set of user options which we assume can be selected and added to a custom user tab – in this example, the custom tab has been labeled as “Performance.”


And needless to say it is decidedly non-Metro :yes:

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Here is a 1920 pixel image ( as long as their link lasts ). Note from the text excerpt that the interface is user customizable. Can you imagine Microsoft or her fanboys designing this? Let's all pray that Gigabyte and Asus never collaborate with Microsoft.


EDIT: updated image URL

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 15 May 2013 - 07:04 PM.

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ObjectDock 2.1 adds Windows 8 support; removes XP and Vista support ( NeoWin 2013-05-03 )

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( image source )

For those that aren't familiar with it, this gives you an Apple Mac style dock as a toolbar ( and lots of customization choices ), not a chance that NeoWhiners would ever have the slightest bit of interest in it. Therefore we should check the comments and kick over the rocks to see what crawls out ...

"According to the operating system market share as shown on Wikipedia, Windows XP still is being used by 38% of the market and Windows Vista has about 5% - that's a pretty large share of users who are being eliminated from the latest version..."


Pretty good point. Chopping off two operating systems that each have larger marketshare than Windows 8 ( Vista by a hair and Windows XP dwarfing it :lol: ), does not make a whole lotta sense. I don't have time to run this story down to see if it is true. It sounds like click-bait for MetroTards and I doubt that Stardock invented something that works in Windows 6.1 but fails in Windows 6.0. It really doesn't make any logical sense there.

Anyway, the MetroTard click-bait caught the usual fish, you know what I mean, when you pull the hook out and notice holes from the dumb fish being caught over and over again ( :lol: ). Attacking Windows XP and legacy operating system users again ...

"Honestly, at this stage, all I can say is **** them. All they're doing is just preventing progress at this point. If they want to cling to yesteryear's tech let them, it's time to move on. Time to reward those who *have* upgraded with better tools taking advantage of new, richer APIs, without being bogged down with legacy support."


Yep, that's him, the infamous commenter ridiculed far and wide. He's sure got the astroturf propaganda down too ( only omitting the Fast and Fluid stuff). Besides being factually challenged ( umm how does someone using "legacy" software or OS affect you MetroTards? ) that continuous fallacy about legacy code bogging down the system cries out as a child demanding their own NEW legacy-free operating system called Microsoft Tiles. With every breath he proves all our long-running points about the Windows 8 and Metro debacle. They merely needed to design an iOS style toy operating system for the MetroTards and left the adults alone and we could all co-exist peacefully. :yes:

Here's a comment from a self-identified Softie who is very good at sticking to the sanctioned robo-script prepared by the Redmond clown brigade. Makes me think this is official policy now ....

"If those customers are happy with a 12 year old operating system (or 7 in the case of Vista), how many would not also be content with the older software they're running on it?

Also keep in mind how much of the XP installed base is actually kiosks/ATMs/Movie ticket dispensers, etc."


Posted Image So in his mind, ATMs, Kiosks and Movie Ticket dispensers are web-connected and showing up in browser marketshare data collection? He cannot understand this but what he has actually done here is demonstrate that there is a likely undercount for real-world XP usage :yes: The first part of the comment ( "12 year old operating system" ) is dripping with that patented Microsoft contempt for their customers stemming from their utter bewilderment that users aren't the patsies they expect and are not jumping into their crappy new walled garden. And oddly enough, this "12-year old" meme seems only to be trotted out when it suits these propagandists.

So, just for these MicroZealots and MetroTards I present to them a crusty old photo of a 60-year old Corvette ...

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... which looks pretty spunky for a car "released" in 1953, the RTM version. :yes: ( I'm no expert but maybe that is SP59 or version 20 in MicroYears or something like that? ). Anyway, another automobile fallacy? I don't think so. Windows XP SP3 files are mostly dated to 2008-04-14 which just turned five years old. People still running Vista RTM or SP1 are using older files! Windows 7 was released just over a year later. I guess I shouldn't bother pointing out that the Metro Charms and most GUI elements are starting to resemble consumer electronics firmware ( Devolution ) from a decade ago and the colored Playskool Tiles come straight out of Sesame Street or AOL Kids or any number of things from 20 to 50 years ago. :lol:

EDIT: typo, clarity, updated image URLs

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 15 May 2013 - 07:05 PM.

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Here's a comment from a self-identified Softie who is very good at sticking to the sanctioned robo-script prepared by the Redmond clown brigade. Makes me think this is official policy now ....

"If those customers are happy with a 12 year old operating system (or 7 in the case of Vista), how many would not also be content with the older software they're running on it?

Also keep in mind how much of the XP installed base is actually kiosks/ATMs/Movie ticket dispensers, etc."


Posted Image So in his mind, ATMs, Kiosks and Movie Ticket dispensers are web-connected and showing up in browser marketshare data collection? He cannot understand this but what he has actually done here is demonstrate that there is a likely undercount for real-world XP usage :yes: The first part of the comment ( "12 year old operating system" ) is dripping with that patented Microsoft contempt for their customers stemming from their utter bewilderment that users aren't the patsies they expect and are not jumping into their crappy new walled garden. And oddly enough, this 12-year old meme seems only to be trotted out when it suits these propagandists.


Well, don't be too hard on the Microsofties. As I've mentioned before, I had to lecture a softie, who worked on their server offerings, regarding what features Microsoft removed from the server products he himself worked on, and when what product was released:

http://channel9.msdn...-as-SaaS?page=2

Scroll down to the ending of the page, where the post with the youtube vids is. The "metro-effect" (idiocracy) is making the rounds in Redmond.

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Looks like I am in good form today.

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You sure were! Really stickin' it to 'em. The conclusion is (IMHO) the best part:

What these examples show is that the modus operandi of NuMicrosoft means that anything can be on target to become killed-off or messed up in some way. No matter the previous lip-service. You apologists must be guzzling the Kool-Aid to not to see the worries people have with this "all-in" Microsoft. Especially with news like the one that started this thread. Was there any group of customers and/or developers Microsoft hasn't colossally p***ed-off in some way in the past two years?

If the desktop is still alive and healthy, Microsoft has the duty to state it so. They owe it after their envy-fueled run.

:thumbup

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News from Scroogled. They have changed direction, it's all about apps now.

http://www.scroogled.com/


GOOGLE SHARES YOUR PERSONAL INFO WITH APP MAKERS

When you buy an Android app from the Google app store, they give the app maker your full name, email address and the neighborhood where you live. This occurs without clear warning every single time you buy an app.

Watch the video to see how you get Scroogled

If you can't trust Google's app store, how can you trust them for anything?

This, from the company that trawls through your SkyDrive stuff for naughty pictures. You gotta admire them for the gall.

How long do you think it'll be before we find out that MS does pretty much the same thing as Google, with the Metro apps sold in the Windows Store?

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Edited by JorgeA, 04 May 2013 - 09:37 AM.


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Gigabyte teases customizable, high-res UEFI for Haswell motherboards ( TechSpot 2013-05-03 )

As for the layout of the UEFI, the outer edges have been designed to show real-time stats without having to navigate through multiple sub-menus. Users will be able to monitor CPU, memory and system stats on-the-fly in addition to temperatures, fan speeds and voltages.

If that wasn’t enough, the firmware looks to be completely customizable as well. The teaser image shows a set of user options which we assume can be selected and added to a custom user tab – in this example, the custom tab has been labeled as “Performance.”


And needless to say it is decidedly non-Metro :yes:

Posted Image

Here is a 1920 pixel image ( as long as their link lasts ). Note from the text excerpt that the interface is user customizable. Can you imagine Microsoft or her fanboys designing this? Let's all pray that Gigabyte and Asus never collaborate with Microsoft.

Oooh la la! B) With something like this, why would I ever want to load the OS?? :D

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From a couple of days ago:

Microsoft looking to expand its SaaS offerings with Windows Desktop ( NeoWin 2013-05-01 )

While we would not expect the service to replace your standard Windows desktop, this will be the first possible steps towards moving Windows to a subscription service as opposed to a one-time payment, which many believe is in the pipeline for Microsoft.


Yep. Don't listen to the propaganda saying "Don't worry". Microsoft has plans to monetize every single shred of their so-called Intellectual Property. Given half a chance going forward, most companies will piece out everything they have for sale. They want subscriptions, they don't want customers. Fear for the future. The wild world of x86 systems and indie software have been sentenced to death. Clouds and walled gardens are all that lies on their horizon. Don't contribute to this garbage by obsoleting your hardware and software. Don't play their game.

Here's the article that Neowin was working from. I bring it up because I wanted to quote the following commenter who makes -- and builds on -- a point that I've thought for decades (and not just in connection with computing):

Centralization, whether political or technological, is almost always a good idea in the short term, but a very bad idea in the long term. Can't wait to hear about the 10 million desktop users unable to access their desktops, apps, files, etc. while I work blissfully on my fully functional laptop.

Runs parallel to what we've said here before about keeping your files in the Cloud. And now the concept is expanding to the whole desktop. :huh: If there were a head-scratching emoticon, I'd be using it right now.

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Edited by JorgeA, 04 May 2013 - 09:59 AM.


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If there were a head-scratching emoticon, I'd be using it right now.

Rectius: If there were I were able to find a head-scratching emoticon .... Posted Image

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If there were a head-scratching emoticon, I'd be using it right now.

Rectius: If there were I were able to find a head-scratching emoticon .... Posted Image

:whistle:

You know jaclaz, you are absolutely right -- I am completely incapable of finding an emoticon on the Web for myself. :rolleyes:

Perhaps it did not occur to you that, having decided it wasn't worth my limited time to go out looking for one elsewhere, I might possibly be referring to the forum we are in. (I challenge "The Finder" to find a head-scratching emoticon in the emoticon panel that shows up on the right when replying to a post on this forum.)

One could argue that I should have made that clear, but that would miss the point. This thread exists as a place to critique Microsoft for its decisions relating to Windows 8, not whether I personally am "able" to find an emoticon somewhere else. If we here have to start taking three times as long to craft posts with complete explanations and airtight language to satisfy a lawyer, the discussion will die and the only winners will be Microsoft and its fanboys. The losers will be those of us who have found a haven here and a sounding board for views dissenting from the MSFT party line. Enough sniping at allies already.

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EDIT: changed tack

Edited by JorgeA, 04 May 2013 - 07:25 PM.


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Relax, jorgeA, you forgot one of jaclaz's other aliases - the jester. He does like to poke a bit of fun and tease. Not to worry. He's dangerous usually harmless and means no ill will by it. He probably just viewed your statement as a challenge to his finder skills. I've been the victim beneficiary of his wit many times. :)

Cheers and Regards my friend

Edited by bphlpt, 05 May 2013 - 03:04 PM.

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Thanks, bphlpt -- I wasn't aware of that other alias.

Voice tone and facial expressions, which can affect the meaning of the words that are actually used, don't carry over well in print. This is where emoticons come in.

But that means that we need to use emoticons carefully if we are to decrease the risk of being misinterpreted. In this case, a wink ;) or a smile :) would have lightened up the message to show that it didn't "really" mean what the words said. But the whistling emoticon :whistle: comes off as an implied (or maybe not so implied) putdown, which actually serves to strengthen the plain meaning of the words.

Needless to say, if the intent is to help, then the safest course is to play it straight, resist offering the "rectius" and simply say something like,

"Here's a head-scratching emoticon you can use."

It's not so hard to do, and as a bonus it would have earned a Thank You instead.

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TechRadar has interviewed a Windows product manager, who said the following in a discussion of Windows 8 and Microsoft's approach to changing things:

We ask about Windows Blue and whether it points the way towards eventually getting rid of the desktop. Moulster tells us: "To be honest I don't have an answer because I don't know. I'm loathe to speculate. It seems highly unlikely to me. I haven't seen anything either way. I'd be surprised, but that's my personal view."

"I think it's a continuation of us always building on what's there. Windows 8 is built on Windows 7 and starts from where Windows 7 stops, and I don't think there will be a change to that approach. We'd be crazy to throw anything away.

[emphasis added]

OK boys and girls, can anybody here tell us if Microsoft threw anything away when they came out with Windows 8? :lol:

Very good, and then if this guy is right, what does that say about Microsoft? :D

I still maintain that having choice is a good thing, but it does complicate things somewhat.

Great to hear. Will you give us back the choice to use Aero Glass? To use a native Start Button that will call up a standard Start Menu? To banish the Modern UI completely from our screens?


Good comment down below the end of the article:

As an OS, Win8 is fine. It boots quickly, it's stable, and I haven't had any compatibility issues. The problem is that it just doesn't make sense as a desktop OS. The fully maximized or fully minimized approach is a reasonable trade off on the limited screen space of a tablet or phone but it's a real hindrance to doing getting any real work done on a PC. In addition, so few real aplications are Win8 native so most users will spend most of their time in desktop mode where all of the shiny translucent prettiness of Win7 has been removed leaving dull interface full of odd colored window frames, no start menu, and not even a simple drop shadow. It seems like an bad trade off to have what is essentially a huge app launcher. In the 90's there were a couple companies that made restrictive replacement desktop interfaces for children. That's really what Win8 feels like as a desktop OS.

[emphasis added]

--JorgeA

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TechRadar has interviewed a Windows product manager, who said the following in a discussion of Windows 8 and Microsoft's approach to changing things:

We ask about Windows Blue and whether it points the way towards eventually getting rid of the desktop. Moulster tells us: "To be honest I don't have an answer because I don't know. I'm loathe to speculate. It seems highly unlikely to me. I haven't seen anything either way. I'd be surprised, but that's my personal view."

"I think it's a continuation of us always building on what's there. Windows 8 is built on Windows 7 and starts from where Windows 7 stops, and I don't think there will be a change to that approach. We'd be crazy to throw anything away.

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OK boys and girls, can anybody here tell us if Microsoft threw anything away when they came out with Windows 8? :lol:

Good catch. :thumbup So either he is one of those people that speak carelessly where the words don't necessarily match the thoughts and can even be inconsistent from sentence to sentence which results in lies accidental incongruities ... or ... he's a liar.

Well at least he just admitted they are crazy.

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Acer still believes Microsoft can compete in the mobile space ( NeoWin 2013-05-04 )

Now there is a vote of confidence. :lol:


AdDuplex: Nokia holds 83% of the Windows Phone market outside the USA ( NeoWin 2013-05-04 )

So what's the punchline? In other breaking news it has been discovered that water is wet. :lol: Anyone else noticing how NeoWin runs these "reaching" and "stretching" stories. The Windows 8 Steam marketshare survey is another prime example.


Uh oh! Lumia 928 billboard appears before its launch ( NeoWin 2013-05-04 )

Lots of discussion about this "leak" prior to any official announcement of this new model phone. But one of the commenters points out something incredible. Have a look at where they placed billboard ...

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:blink: You really can't make this stuff up!

EDIT: updated image URL

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 15 May 2013 - 07:06 PM.

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But the whistling emoticon :whistle: comes off as an implied (or maybe not so implied) putdown, which actually serves to strengthen the plain meaning of the words.

Needless to say, if the intent is to help, then the safest course is to play it straight, resist offering the "rectius" and simply say something like,

"Here's a head-scratching emoticon you can use."

It's not so hard to do, and as a bonus it would have earned a Thank You instead.

Well ,actually it's my bad :blushing: , I should have used, instead of the plain "whistling" emoticon (which I often use to underline a friendly mocking) , the more complex "ducking"one that Larryb123456 Posted Image expressly made for me to underline the spirit of some of my posts, see around here:
http://www.msfn.org/...s/page__st__420

The result was so good that the emoticon has been added in reboot.pro as the "standard" "jaclaz" emoticon:
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Sorry for the misunderstanding :(, it was intended as a friendly joke.

jaclaz

Edited by jaclaz, 05 May 2013 - 04:25 AM.


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They would surely NEVER put a Win Phone billboard at a scrap yard???
heeheehee

Like it Charlotte

Edited by G8YMW, 05 May 2013 - 10:50 AM.


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But the whistling emoticon :whistle: comes off as an implied (or maybe not so implied) putdown, which actually serves to strengthen the plain meaning of the words.

Needless to say, if the intent is to help, then the safest course is to play it straight, resist offering the "rectius" and simply say something like,

"Here's a head-scratching emoticon you can use."

It's not so hard to do, and as a bonus it would have earned a Thank You instead.

Well ,actually it's my bad :blushing: , I should have used, instead of the plain "whistling" emoticon (which I often use to underline a friendly mocking) , the more complex "ducking"one that Larryb123456 Posted Image expressly made for me to underline the spirit of some of my posts, see around here:
http://www.msfn.org/...s/page__st__420

The result was so good that the emoticon has been added in reboot.pro as the "standard" "jaclaz" emoticon:
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Sorry for the misunderstanding :(, it was intended as a friendly joke.

jaclaz

Thank you, jaclaz. Sorry that (not if) I was so prickly. I feel like the one you gave above that pops up all red and then goes downhill from there

And, Thank You for the scratching-head emoticon.

In appreciation (although you probably have one like this already), please let me offer this: Posted Image

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Yikes! Double Post? :wacko:

Well, that happens sometimes.

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Yes, the board has been having more and more problems lately.

Cheers and Regards

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