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Sorry, Microsoft, but consumers just don't like you ( NeoWin 2013-04-23 )

A month old post. This one is not a research poll or anything like that, but a rather long and detailed opinion piece from a writer, probably pro-Microsoft but certainly not fanatical. Unusually thoughtful fare for NeoWin. And considering the above article it seems he was really thinking ahead.

Naaah, it's just a re-post :w00t: :
http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1037776

I see that you are also getting old and forgetful :whistle:

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Sorry, Microsoft, but consumers just don't like you ( NeoWin 2013-04-23 )

A month old post. This one is not a research poll or anything like that, but a rather long and detailed opinion piece from a writer, probably pro-Microsoft but certainly not fanatical. Unusually thoughtful fare for NeoWin. And considering the above article it seems he was really thinking ahead.


It draws some stupid conclusions at the end though:

http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1037776

Whoops, I missed that! Sorry.

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He's comparing two different things! The current "open system" is desktop apps. That has not changed in Windows 8.

That's true, for now. Does anyone really doubt that they will build their walled garden in steps rather than all at once? I guarantee you that is the plan.

When companies outsource jobs overseas it is also done in steps. First hire in India and China. Then layoff domestically. At neither point can we say they are outsourcing but the net result is the same.

I believe Microsoft is keeping sideloading available as the fallback to thwart government or other legal action. They have it for enterprise but not for consumer. If they get attacked they can just enable it later. Regardless, the walled garden idea is the most sinister thing they have dreamt of. These are not "their" computers in the same way that Macs are Apple computers. They should be broken up just for entertaining the thought of trying to kidnap 3rd party computers into the Microsoft empire and locking out all developers except those they approve.

P.S. I see that thread ( "163057-how-to-recover-lost-access-database" ) was deleted. So they were spammers?

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I guess I wasn't clear, I really don't know what the fuss is over and have no time to read through all the posts. I'll assume that the sample size of that "poll" is considered too small? Maybe, maybe not. But considering the torturing of statistics that Microsoft has done with their CEIP telemetry I would suggest that they deserve it, and more. :yes: Screw 'em.

Sure :), we are just kidding, however the issue in that "study" is not the size of the sample (which is large enough) but rather the fact that it is not (and cannot be) "random enough".
Example:
If you make a poll at the exit of a subway station in (say) New York about the utility of small, electric, cars (let's say two seaters with max 35 miles range) it is likely you will find a majority of people expressing the desire to have one.
If you make the same poll at a diner on Route 66, it is likely that the percentage of people interested in small, limited range, electric cars will be dramatically lower.

You cannot draw a "US wide" conclusion from either of those, they simply make no sense as the samples do not represent population adequately.


P.S. I do love the picture of that Angry Bird! Probably an Owl?

Seemingly it is, in English owl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl
means both "gufo" and "civetta" (it is normally translated to "gufo"):
In italian it would be a "civetta" (Athene noctua):
http://it.wikipedia....i/Athene_noctua
a "gufo" (Asio otus) is different :
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asio_otus
I guess that it should be "little owl":
http://en.wikipedia....i/Athene_noctua
The wikipedia page above demostrates how even babies have the same kind of look :ph34r: :
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Psst Microsoft, Windows 8 Users are Barely Touching Metro Apps ( Maximum PC 2013-05-23 )

Soluto analyzed 10,848 Windows 8 machines and examined more than 313,000 Metro app launches across 9,634 unique Metro apps. The result? On average, a Windows 8 user will launch a Metro app 1.52 times per day.


Not sure what all the fuss is over ( if there is any fuss ) but that story is being reblogged almost everywhere, making it a story in itself. Let's just face it, it will be in the news cycle until the next MicroFail comes to light. Probably in the next few minutes. :lol:


Here are some additional numbers that support the fundamental point made by Soluto's report:

Is Windows 8 really killing the PC market?

Finally, Windows 8's app attach rate—or the average number of apps per license—also suggests Windows 8 isn't performing so well in the wild.

In the same blog post where Microsoft announced breaking the 100 million threshold, the company also said that 250 million Windows Store apps have been downloaded. That's just 2.5 apps per license, which is far behind the curve set by Android and iOS, whose users rock an average of 32 and 41 apps, respectively, according to data released by Nielsen in 2012. Comparing app store downloads isn't a direct corollary to overall usage, but it highlights Windows 8's struggle for mainstream appeal, 100 million licenses and all.

Even if (as @jaclaz has ably argued) we should be cutting that 100 million by up to one-half in order to account for licenses sold but not in use, then the average app download per "active" Win8 license is 5, which is still way below the averages for Android and iOS.

No matter how we cut it, it looks like Win8 is a real loser, failing even at its own game.

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Xbox One making fans already:

http://www.mcvuk.com...-reveal/0116135

"Sales of the Wii U have rocketed on Amazon.co.uk in the days following Microsoft's Xbox One reveal.

As spotted by Nintendo Life, last night the Wii U Premium machine had climbed from 243rd in the retailer's 'Movers and Shakers' list to 50th, with sales increasing 386 per cent.

At the time of writing the same SKU is sitting in 51st, up from 160th, with a sales increase of 213 per cent.

Sales of Wii accessories such as the Sensor Bar, charging docks and WiiMotes have also climbed significantly.

There's no way to tell if the boost is merely temporary or whether there will be a wider and more long-lasting uplift for the device, presumably amidst disillusionment with what Microsoft had to show on Tuesday."

LOL, it'll be interesting to see if the trend holds up. "Xbox One introduction leads to surge in Wii sales." :lol:

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Windows 8 Causes Dip in Microsoft Customer Satisfaction Rating ( Maximum PC 2013-05-23 )

Windows 8 hasn’t exactly been able to charm PC users off their feet and Microsoft’s latest ACSI rating seems to confirm as much, with the company’s customer satisfaction rating falling one point from last year’s score of 75 and as many as four points from the company’s best of 78, which it achieved in 2011.


A little more ...

“It seems clear that the release of Windows 8 did not give Microsoft a significant bump, as the release of Windows 7 did, nor did it dramatically lower customer satisfaction in a rather short time frame, as the release of Vista did," David VanAmburg, director of ACSI, told Computerworld.com, adding that if Microsoft’s rating does take a more serious pounding next year then Windows 8 will surely be the one to blame.


Some good comments down below the article.

Microsoft's consumer satisfaction rating is driven by the fact that most are using XP and Win7.

So few are using Win8 that it won't hurt M$ yet. It's only May and W8 has only been out 7 months. Furthermore the word is out that W8 is really bad and people are staying away from it. I recommend to any who ask to buy/build/or have built a PC with Win7.


When windows 8 came out I bought another copy of windows 7 ultimate and windows 7 pro and a copy of windows xp...


thank God I made alienware put windows 7 on my pc. I don't know what windows 8 users are bit*h!n' about. i'd rather serve three tours in Afghanistan than have metro on my pc!

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Even if (as @jaclaz has ably argued) we should be cutting that 100 million by up to one-half in order to account for licenses sold but not in use, then the average app download per "active" Win8 license is 5, which is still way below the averages for Android and iOS.

No matter how we cut it, it looks like Win8 is a real loser, failing even at its own game.

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Yes :thumbup , but it's again not really a fair comparison.
iOS and Android may be competitors on a same market which includes tablets and smartphones.
To be fair the numbers of Windows Store should be more likely compared with sold Surfaces (or RT licenses) and with Windows Phone 8.
I mean, hard as it may seem to be understood by the good MS guys, there is the possibility that a lot of people use Windows 8 as a "serious" operating system, installed on a desktop and continue using the same software they used before under Windows 7, under Vista :ph34r: or Windows XP, i.e. (hopefully) "good" software and not the senseless apps theat are present on the Windows Store.
One example for all:
http://blogs.windows...wing-board.aspx

Sketchbook Express

The Sketchbook Express app is a free version of AutoDesk Sketchbook Pro, a professional-grade drawing tool used by artists and graphic designers (The Pro version is currently available only as a desktop app for Windows, so you can't currently get it in the Store).

Anyone actually *needing* such an app would probably have the Pro Version already (or get a copy of it).

Another example (still form the same page):

Paint Drops

This app combines simple drawing with physics, for an activity that's creative and fun for kids of all ages. In addition to drawing straight and freeform lines, with Paint Drops (and Paint Drops Free), you can also add different ready-made shapes like flowers, leaves, or animals, as well as gears that turn.

http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/app/paint-drops/3CBDBF3F-054B-4749-A759-093C299B8705
You could do a quick poll among friends and relatives and see how many would pay even a trifling €1.19 for that kind of program. :unsure:

An interesting thing (see above link) is that you can see the page on the Windows store allright, only you cannot get a listing of the apps if you are on a non-windows 8.

And (SCOOP!) this app is free :):
http://apps.microsof...34-eb6e6bdee622
BUT it is rated 12+ years old....

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Unfreakinbelievable. Did we see this before (maybe even from me, but it's been a busy day)? Apologies if we did see it already, but it may be worth repeating in light of recent posts up above.

Microsoft patent spies on consumers to enforce DRM

Yep, I posted something about that a while ago and made a graphic that covers it, thanks for reminding me ...

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JPG approximately 305 KB stored at IMGUR. Feel free to use it at will. This is one of those critical junctures when a new precedent is either accepted without argument or fought. This one must be fought.

EDIT: changed image URL

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 25 May 2013 - 06:03 AM.

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Some fanboys on Channel9 are all hots about the second-hand restriction as well:

http://channel9.msdn...842a1c800f5f2fb

Edited by Formfiller, 24 May 2013 - 09:55 AM.


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How long have we had keyboards with Start buttons on them? How funny is it that it isn't until AFTER Microsoft removes the Start Menu that they decide to release a mouse with a Start button? :lol:
http://www.ign.com/a...8-start-buttons
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Some fanboys on Channel9 are all hots about the second-hand restriction as well:

http://channel9.msdn...842a1c800f5f2fb

So, if that guy tells friends or family about a good book, CD, or DVD, does he refuse to lend it to them with a lecture about how they should buy their own copies?? What do you think would be the first word to come to the friend's or relative's mind if he did that? (Hint: seven letters, starts with an "a". ;) )

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How long have we had keyboards with Start buttons on them? How funny is it that it isn't until AFTER Microsoft removes the Start Menu that they decide to release a mouse with a Start button? :lol:
http://www.ign.com/a...8-start-buttons

It's VERY funny. :wacko:

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Yep, I posted something about that a while ago and made a graphic that covers it, thanks for reminding me ...

[...]

...This is one of those critical junctures when a new precedent is either accepted without argument or fought. This one must be fought.

Stunning work! :thumbup

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Edited by JorgeA, 25 May 2013 - 09:01 AM.


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The following article proposes several possible ways to save Windows tablets from commercial failure, but then systematically rules out all of them, except maybe one:

Why small screens won't cure Microsoft's Windows tablet blues


While diminutive displays are all the rage these days and Microsoft needs to be in that space to “stay” competitive, the shift to small screens doesn’t look like a panacea from where I’m standing. If anything, small Windows tablets will demand even more compromises than the other (already highly compromising) Windows 8 devices available today, because they’ll subject users to the double trouble of a frustrating desktop experience and the desert known as the Windows Store.


Small tablets aren’t the cure for Microsoft’s Windows tablet woes. The answer is apps, plain and simple. More apps. Better apps. Appealing, high-quality apps that distinguish themselves from the Android and Apple horde.

Microsoft is doing all it can to woo developers to its new-look Windows, but the effort hasn’t succeeded yet. Until it does—if it does—Windows tablets will never truly take off with consumers.

Hard to imagine which apps or what kind, exactly, could be offered in the Windows Store that would be all that different from what's available for Android and Apple.

The last, best hope (hybrid tablet/laptops, see the article linked to in the final paragraph) doesn't sound all that promising, either. Too bulky for a tablet, and too small a screen for a laptop.

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Microsoft files complaint over XboxOne.com domain ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

Now isn't this rich. Two domains, XboxOne.com and XboxOne.net are gonna be taken away from a 3rd party by Microsoft. This isn't a typical squatting case either. The owner of the names registered these no later than December 2011, an eternity before the name "Xbox One" was a twinkle in Microsoft's eye. Furthermore, back in 2005 Microsoft registered XboxTwo.com but failed to reserve the other variations. Summary: another MicroFail along the lines of the Metro naming fiasco. Due to their disproportionate clout in tech matters we can guess just which way the "neutral" arbitration board will decide? In a saner world, customers and governments and juries and neutral arbitration committees would knock these megacorps down a few pegs whenever they got a chance rather than empowering them further.



US Staples stores currently selling 32 GB Surface RT for $399 ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

There you go. Six months later the Surface ReTard model is priced at $399 without the keyboard covers meaning that they just hit the sub-$500 price point finally with a keyboard. This is what many people said right here in this thread back on launch day. Unfortunately it is no longer launch day, that was six months ago. Back in the real world in May 2013 this orphan tablet might be sell-able at $199, maybe $299 all extras included. So good luck with this one.



Full ITC panel prevents Microsoft's Xbox 360 from being hit with import ban ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

"This is a win for Xbox customers and confirms our view that Google had no grounds to block our products."


Pot meet kettle. There were four patents that Microsoft infringed upon and that Google successfully used to block Xbox sales, now there are zero because the court says three of them were "standard-essential patents", Meanwhile Microsoft is hypocritically going after Android makers for infringing on some secret patent that they control, most likely related to file systems like exFAT. Naturally the MicroZealots cannot see the disconnect here. I expect another round of Karma to come around and bite Microsoft in their assets because that is what happens with bad karma.



Rumor: Better Bing integration coming with Windows 8.1 ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

No thank you. :no: Whenever I see that BING desktop in the Windows Update list I barf a little and hide it from the customer. It's for their own good really. But now they want to intertwine it into all facets of the OS like some kind of Lymphomic Cancer. :no: I can't help but think this also may become a future antitrust issue knowing how the courts seem to operate. You would think that Microsoft would have learned something from previous experience but it appears they have not. Microsoft is clearly in a bad way these days with regards to logic and common sense. They seem to have infinite ability to strike every obstacle and guard rail while driving down the road.


EDIT: typo

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 26 May 2013 - 08:59 AM.

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Will Xbox One talk back to you and let you play games remotely? ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

Told ya. Look at that Kinect poster above and now imagine the red HAL appearing on your giant TV screen ... "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" :blink:



More details on how the Xbox One will use cloud computing ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

Ars Technica has talked to Matt Booty, General Manager of Redmond Game Studios and Platforms, and we finally have more info on how the One will integrate with the cloud. Booty explains that certain graphical operations that require a lot of computing power but are not latency-sensitive could be offloaded to the cloud. Things like fluid and physics dynamics, graphical elements that don’t change a lot in the game etc, all of these could be dealt with by the cloud while your console is left to focus on the truly important and latency sensitive data, such as animations when you’re getting shot.


What we have here is the start of endless explanations trying to justify the use of the cloud for far more efficient local operations. They will do and say anything to rationalize this thing even though it makes no sense from any angle you look at it. Few games can saturate the abilities of a modern quad-core, let alone the eight-core in the NextBox ( okay, the rumors say that the cores will be radically slow ).

But here is what they are really saying ... games will be sabotaged by-design to utilize distant computational power rather than the local CPU which lies mere inches away from the output device. Only Microsoft could be expected to reimagine reality by redesigning and reversing the Client-Server paradigm to put processing in the cloud. Of course this is but a mere evolutionary half-step because they are afraid to make the whole step at once. The whole step is to have everything in the cloud and your retarded personal device ( Xbox, Laptop, Desktop, Phone, Tablet, ... whatever ) will be only an output device displaying what is processed upstream at servers under Microsoft control. George Orwell pick up the courtesy phone.



Report: Microsoft wants to sell 25m Surface tablets in 2014 fiscal year ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

Paul Thurrott writes on WinSuperSite that, according to an unnamed source that he claims "has proven reliable in recent weeks", Microsoft wants to sell a whopping 25 million Surface tablets during its next fiscal year.

The same article claims Microsoft is aiming to be the number one provider of tablets for the enterprise market in its next fiscal year, along with the number two seller of tablets to retail stores in the same time period. Microsoft will also reportedly seize any opportunity to try to get Surface products used in the educational market.


That last bit is the part that drives me nuts. If I could wave a magic wand and make all computers from schools disappear I would do it in a heartbeat. This actually started with Apple and later IBM. They have been milking the career underachievers in the education sector like cows for all their worth ever since the mid-1980's. The damaging part is that they have little to no need for computers except for perhaps book-keeping. None of the legends of the tech industry ever even saw a computer in school, that includes Gates and Allen and Jobs, and neither did I. Now they are present everywhere, and for what purpose? To teach kids how to use Word? Google? People need to start thinking outside the box and question why a single penny should be spent equipping schools with computers at all. Even if you are a parent, it''s a good question. If you are a homeowner it is a very very good question because it is we that get the bill, not the school administrators or politicians. This is a black hole of waste that gets more money flushed down the toilet everytime these companies release a new version of this or that. I for one, am tired of it.


EDIT: typo

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 25 May 2013 - 05:27 AM.

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Rumor: Microsoft and publishers to get money from Xbox One used game sales [Update] ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

Microsoft: Reports about Xbox One used games "inaccurate and incomplete" ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

I was wondering how Microsoft could make this even worse. We knew the Xbox rumor of not using old games would be proved true, only die-hard fanboys doubted that one. There was hope they might emulate the PPC architecture in hardware or software but Microsoft failed here as well - no playing older games, period. But this is the lowest of all possible lows. They are literally going to try to monopolize and dominate the 3rd party resale aftermarket as well by taking yet another bite from the apple by cashing in on games that were already paid for once already. This is positively criminal and I hope the FTC and other alphabet agencies are ready to pounce this time. They will deserve everything that happens to them.



Apple's iOS 7 to be "black, white and flat all over" ( TechSpot 2013-05-24 )

More details emerge about Apple's "flat" UI plans for iOS 7 ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

It seems Apple has the equivalent of Steven Sinofsky working there, he even resembles the Windows Destroyer-in-Chief, his name is Jony Ive ...

Posted Image


... uncanny, right? :yes: Anyway, it is very hard to believe that Apple is dumb enough to directly copy Microsoft's retard style especially considering that is is almost universally despised. I don't know much about the internals of Apple except for other people's comments and it seems this hipster Jony Ive was a buddy of Steve Jobs and now that he died has a sort of free reign to screw things up. Not a great plan IMHO. I'll tell you what. Apple fans are loyal and the last thing you want to do is break that customer loyalty ( that would really be copying Microsoft :yes: ). But the iPhone is nothing if not consistent. Change that interface ( and even worse the Mac OSX ) and you are gonna have a real problem because the people using iPhones are not computer experts and expect things to be simple. Mark my words, a big change in the iPhone GUI will start a backlash the likes of which Apple is NOT equipped to understand. Now this is definitely still a rumor, and suspiciously like a rumor Microsoft might float to ease their own suffering, so we'll wait and see.


EDIT: typo

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 25 May 2013 - 05:30 AM.

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And all this time I thought that a statement (and particularly a statement issued in order to clarify something):
http://majornelson.c...d-used-games-2/

Xbox One and used games

Over the past few days, we have been reading comments and message boards following the Xbox One announcement.
There are a few questions regarding used games.
I wanted to clarify and provide this official statement:

  • The ability to trade in and resell games is important to gamers and to Xbox.
  • Xbox One is designed to support the trade in and resale of games.
  • Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete.
  • We will disclose more information in the near future.

Larry Hyrb


should actually state something (non obvious) and possibly also clarify it, additionally an "official" statement is normally very carefully worded in order to be not easily mocked by anyone still using an independent brain.

Imagine Galileo Galilei :w00t: :
http://en.wikipedia....Galileo_Galilei
providing this official statement:

Over the past few years we have been reading theories and reports about planets and stars moving across the sky.
There are a few questions about how exactly they move and the trajectories they follow.
I wanted to clarify and provide this official statement:

  • Knowing how planets and stars move is important.
  • Astronomy is designed to study and understand the behaviour of celestial bodies and their movements.
  • Ptolemaeus is wrong and the Ptolemaic Model is inaccurate and incomplete.
  • I will provide more details in the future.


:whistle:

He wouldn't have been probably processed for heresy :no: , but surely he would have been promptly sent to an asylum for the demented :yes: .

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Xbox One rumor round-up: what was correct? ( NeoWin 2013-05-25 )

I have my own graphic about exactly this subject but I am waiting for more official word on some of the issues. In case he hadn't noticed ( and as Jaclaz accurately described above ) Microsoft said very little to nothing at all. All the hype for a nothing press conference, as usual. They were like politicians taking the Fifth Amendment, as usual. Pretty much every rumor of consequence will have proven true at the end of this saga, not the meaningless ones like what the name of the Xbox will be. Here is a clue for NeoWhiners: anything that benefits Microsoft at the expense of the customer will actually occur. Full stop. Period. The only things they actually care about are themselves and their revenue cash streams. The customer does not even merit an after-thought.



EDITORIAL: What has me excited, disappointed and curious about Xbox One ( NeoWin 2013-05-25 )

Article is somewhat interesting but one comment caught my eye ...

Kinect will be used as Nielsen-like device along with the TV viewing so the XBOX can better track what people are watching, how intense they are watching and how emotionally engaged they are. This sill support TV, Movies and advertisements. Nielsen-ratings do not track well across all forms of media and Microsoft is looking to dominate this area (and access millions of more data-sets than Nielsen can) while elevating engagement based on biometric feedback.


Which frankly had never occurred to me and does makes some sense. Nielsen is a legendary but secretive data collection service and is rumored to make tons of money. It would make sense for a company to look at this model and expand into it. However it leads to even more serious conflict-of-interest issues because the ratings product they deliver directly affects prices of products (through advertising rates and budgets), not to mention the potential success of said products. Were Microsoft to enter this arena they would immediately be suspected again of anti-competitive practices ( with good reason ) so it would be a bad idea logically, therefore considering Microsoft's recent track record of crazy ill-advised illogical decision-making it would seem to suggest they WILL try to enter this arena.

I'm not sure of the validity of that comment though, the part about "access millions of more data-sets than Nielsen can". Their potential sample size would never be adequate for anything except a narrow set of products and advertising. I'm too busy to look it up ( or if Nielson even publishes their sample size ) but there is not a chance that XboxAnything will ever be anything more than a skewed demographic weighted heavily towards moderate gamers. The hardcore gamers with unlimited spending budgets (the advertising target demographic of disposable income) will never touch this Xbox and instead be using real computers. The lightweight gamers will stick to their phones and tablets. You can also make the case that smart gamers will stay away from an Xbox with a mandatory built-in spying device that can literally identify you and what you are doing.

Speaking of spying and big brother .... There is some astonishing cognitive dissonance employed by fanboys over this subject. The MicroZealots and MetroTards are infamous for attacking Google at every turn, supporting Microsoft's Scroogle attack campaign, while decrying targeted ads in the Google search results. Fine, that's their opinion and it is valid. But how the he!! do you go from there to accepting the capabilities of Kinect paired with the potential of Microsoft Patent #20120278904! What manner of cranial neurological disorder leads to such a disconnect?

Can you imagine a couple fooling around on the couch and suddenly the Microsoft Hal 9000 launches a Trojan commercial or a PSA about venereal disease? :blink: That would be a truly targeted demographic! And corporations will pay big bucks to get their ads in at such an opportune moment. :yes:

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Apple's iOS 7 to be "black, white and flat all over" ( TechSpot 2013-05-24 )

More details emerge about Apple's "flat" UI plans for iOS 7 ( NeoWin 2013-05-24 )

It seems Apple has the equivalent of Steven Sinofsky working there, he even resembles the Windows Destroyer-in-Chief, his name is Jony Ive ...

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... uncanny, right? :yes: Anyway, it is very hard to believe that Apple is dumb enough to directly copy Microsoft's retard style especially considering that is is almost universally despised. I don't know much about the internals of Apple except for other people's comments and it seems this hipster Jony Ive was a buddy of Steve Jobs and now that he died has a sort of free reign to screw things up. Not a great plan IMHO. I'll tell you what. Apple fans are loyal and the last thing you want to do is break that customer loyalty ( that would really be copying Microsoft :yes: ). But the iPhone is nothing if not consistent. Change that interface ( and even worse the Mac OSX ) and you are gonna have a real problem because the people using iPhones are not computer experts and expect things to be simple. Mark my words, a big change in the iPhone GUI will start a backlash the likes of which Apple is NOT equipped to understand. Now this is definitely still a rumor, and suspiciously like a rumor Microsoft might float to ease their own suffering, so we'll wait and see.

I neglected to mention the source article for those stories is here ...

Jony Ive’s new look for iOS 7: black, white, and flat all over ( 9to5mac 2013-05-24 )

... which is a marvelous parallel to the long-running conflict in the Windows universe since several over-paid under-achievers named Steven Sinofsky, Jensen Harris, Sam Moreau and Julie Larson Green took it upon themselves to move the GUI forward to 1980's level visuals.

For example, take a gander at some MacTards taking shots at the commenters that do not want a repeat of the Windows 8 puke-worthy disaster to befall their beloved iOS ...

I don't get it. Are you a troll or what? You haven't even seen it.

I'm gonna paint a person, but paint their face green and pink, use some very straight lines, and some very curvy ones. It's hardly going to look like a person. I'm going to express how I see someone, rather than how they actually look. Does that sound absolutely awful to you, too? Because I just described Picasso's work.


Holy crap! The same smug arrogance that Windows MetroTards routinely display even utilizing their patented strawman arguments with crazy analogies! Another ...

Amazing how stupid some of you people are! It's not monochrome! Re-read the article! Johnny Ives is the #2 reason for Apple's success behind Steve Jobs. How about we cut him some slack and wait to see what it looks like before throwing him under the bus? Stop being knee-jerk A-holes!


Typical! When you run out of facts to argue ( taste is subjective, not right or wrong, you can't prove someone wrong for enjoying nice graphics over flat garbage ) use logic fallacies like "ad hominem" or "appeal to authority". "Johnny Ives is the #2 reason for Apple's success behind Steve Jobs", well I don't know enough about Apple to judge that statement but it sure sounds like a pant load of poop to me. Hey iOS users, the 'Tard just called you stupid. You gonna take that? Continuing on, another ...

Regardless what it turns out to be some people will reject it before giving it a good look. Change is painful for some.


Oh no you didn't! :lol: Now the arguments are direct clones of our MetroTards! "Change is painful!". If you MacTards and our MetroTards are so longing for change, why don't you change to Android? :whistle: Ironically, a radical change in iOS will do just that. :yes: It will be the ultimate gift to Google, Samsung and the Android platform. Yet another ...

Bring on the cry babies... I can see from some of the early comments that people are already passing judgement and they haven't seen jack sh*t yet. I say change is good, the current IOs is dated, stale, etc. I am looking forward to the changes ahead.


LOL :lol: Another Dot Matrix clone! Can we call you Dot MacTrix? Hey Mac dudes, the 'Tards are telling you to shut up and wait for the release, then you may complain about it when it is too late! We've been through this over here in WindowsLand and we now know not to question authority. NOT.

I wonder if Jony Ive has himself a "Destroying iOS" blog like Sinofsky had where he chooses to answer a few softball questions while disregarding the overwhelming majority that ridicule the project.

Overall the blog comments run approximately 60-40 or 70-30 against the Sinofsky-like redesign, I only picked the first four "ChangeTard" comments. Here's some against the changes, some of many ...

Is he insane ?
Monochrome ? Really ?
Black white and flat ?? What ? Does he want to turn Apple devices into ancient Palm monochrome ones ?
Fire Tim Cook NOW!
Jony Ive is going to ruin iOS and make customers angry like never before with this nonsense!


I hear ya brother. We often have used the word "insane" to describe Sinofsky and his team of MetroTards.

It's great that iOS allows so much customization in it's design. Too bad its one person\group making that design choice for everyone else.


Ditto that. And we Windows users have always had the most customization capabilities of all GUIs yet still the Microsoft brain(less)trust forced changes upon Windows users with NO options to change it whatsoever. Welcome to the party pal!

He is designing a user interface for human robots. For the idiots that get "confused" by one application having a different look and feel than another.
What a tragedy. Everything I read about losing the shine, gloss, and drop shadows is horrifying to say the least.

I can see it now: Apple will give developers three months to update their apps to the "flat" look, or be rejected from the store.


You're exactly right ( except for the Store part I think ). It is horrifying. The defining characteristic of iOS is exactly the gloss and shine and elegant appearance at least for the home screen. And what's the point of high density retina displays if they're just gonna show low-end amateur graphics? Ask your 'Tards that question.

These changes sound terrible to me. People who love flat UI can already buy the Windows phone. I love the shredding animation in Passbook app. I love the shiny buttons. Jony Ive is going to destroy Steve Jobs' baby. I hope Samsung hires Forstall and brings back the skeuomorphism and animations -- into the Galaxy 5.


Sorry, your opinion does not count because the MacMetroTards said so. Jony Ive is a legend you know! He is responsible for the success of Apple! Trust him. Stop resisting change you Luddite. :lol:

Anyway, we're gonna need some catchy names for these Mac MetroTards (MacroTard?). Anyone?


EDIT: typo

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 26 May 2013 - 04:35 AM.

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Well, just to not forget how it all began:
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Apologies if someone posted this already. Here's another thread lambasting the Xbone MicroFail. I stumbled on it from links seen in Tech Broil :: XboxDone.

Xbox One Used Game Fee Has Gamers Raging While Angry Joe Fights Back ( Gaming Blend 2013-05-22 )

I just have to highlight another most excellent use of a movie segment as a critical meme ... iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif ... right-click open in new tab. It is a different kind using GIF animation instead of a large video format ( it is 10 MB and while I'm sure it will embed I just didn't want to have it slow down the page for people like me that have 150 posts shown at a time ). And it is well done. I noticed this segment from Se7en used in the past, but the author has updated it with fresh XboxOne information. Well done indeed! And effective.

That thread contains a lot of comments, and as usual hardcore gamers are not pleased. What I find most interesting is that it is like a flashback to this thread a year ago and other places well before that. They are now discovering, and finally believing what we unfortunately also discovered, and that is that Microsoft has turned a corner with no way back. You can detect the same anger and frustration that we all experienced earlier. They have finally become aware of the gravity of this paradigm shift. Microsoft has effectively targeted and offended their entire customer base now. Windows, Phone, Programmers, Office users ( most seem still asleep ), and Gamers. Steve Jobs in his most wild fantasy could not have asked for more from his eternal rival. Remember the great movie: Murder By Death? Microsoft has made the sequel and it's called: Suicide By Death.

I could post dozens of these articles, and so could Formfiller who I know is also in some of these forums and has spotted quite a few himself. I think he'll agree that the Xbox One reception is mirroring the unprecedented Windows 8 fiasco. I can't say for a fact that this kind of thing has never happened before, but I believe I have never seen anything like it where a company has burned all its bridges in such a systematic fashion. Maybe the "New Coke" analogy is truer than we think, perhaps even far surpassing it. :yes: I still have no doubt that Microsoft is incapable of backtracking. It's arrogance precludes such a concession. But I really hope they do in fact backtrack, because there are a lot of fanboy MicroZealots and MetroTards that are in dire need of having their bubble burst. And it would be spectacular to watch them detonate!


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The defining characteristic of iOS is exactly the gloss and shine and elegant appearance at least for the home screen. And what's the point of high density retina displays if they're just gonna show low-end amateur graphics?


Ya know, over a decade ago I worked for a design agency, we had a huge list of clients who'd hire us for design work...NOT ONCE did the client direct us to create something flat and boring. Even when their brand was flat and boring they wanted something "cool and different." I remember one particular client whose style guide strictly prohibited all the "cool stuff" (absolutely no 3D, no effects, no gradients), and their employees would get mad at us for adhering to their own style guide, it was a constant struggle to explain to them that their corp affairs dept will reject their piece if it doesn't conform to their rules...

Speaking of flat and boring, I was recently forced to upgrade to the "new and improved" Yahoo mail, looks like it was made for Win8...if I had put out this kind of work ten years ago my career would've been over...

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