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Elaborate advertising for sure. If this actually shows real people then this ruse is Orson Welles caliber hoaxing!

Just for the record, the idea is not entirely "new" (prank with displays):
http://reboot.pro/to...elevator-prank/

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Meanwhile, over at Minimsft, comments are being moderated and the last comment (by anonymous) says: 

There will be no Microsoft Spring.

 

Winter is coming.

 

I think Who da'Punk (aka Mini) has given up hope.



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Just read this article, didn't see any mention of it ... possible back doors in hardware and software.

 

http://www.ft.com/cm...144feabdc0.html

 

 

Yeah, that's pretty bad. :no:

 

These new NSA revelations are making a case for going back to my Pentium II box and, for good measure, maybe even replacing the Win98 on it with Linux.

 

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Meanwhile, over at Minimsft, comments are being moderated and the last comment (by anonymous) says: 

There will be no Microsoft Spring.

 

Winter is coming.

 

I think Who da'Punk (aka Mini) has given up hope.

 

 

In a running comparison there of working at Microsoft vs. working at Boeing (also based in the Seattle area), there was this commenter:

 

Making massive machines fly? Booooooring.
 

But spending your day making animated tiles, now that's cool.

 

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Some days you wake up and feel like you are on another planet. Yesterday was one of them for me. It just suddenly dawned on me all the contortions that the tech companies are going through in order to shoehorn the Idiocracy interface down our throats ...

HP Envy Recline All-in-One PC Invites You to Kick Back ( Maximum PC 2013-09-05 )
 


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Funny you should mention these. I was going to post and link to the following article:

 

Is touch contributing to the death of the PC?

 

...Mike Nash, vice president, Product Management, Consumer PCs and Consumer Solutions, HP said: "Customers have told us that they want touch on their PCs", but do they? Really? Because the list of bestselling PCs on Amazon tells a different story. That suggests customers don’t want touch on their PCs.

According to the latest figures from NetMarketShare, just under eight percent of PC users are on Windows 8. What percentage of those use touch? I don’t know, but I could hazard a guess of no more than around 30 percent.

 

[...]

 

I read the press release, I looked at the pictures, and I failed utterly to understand who would want one. It’s like HP realized that sticking touch on a standard desktop PC has limited appeal to the average consumer -- occasionally swiping your screen is fine, doing it all the time is just uncomfortable -- so set out to solve the problem. A problem it had created by adding touch in the first place. And its solution was to let users lie the screen down.

 

[...]

 

I’ve compared touch on computers with 3D in movies before and I still view it that way. Avatar was a great 3D movie, but many of the 3D films that followed it -- which were essentially 2D movies with depth bolted on so the cinemas could charge more -- were bloody awful. It’s the same thing with touchscreen. Touch on tablets is essential. Touch on laptops can be useful. Touch on desktops is usually nothing more than a silly gimmick.

 

[...]

 

In a quest to get people to go and see films at the cinema, movie studios put out 3D films and charged more. But people preferred to go see the 2D versions. In a similar quest to get people to buy new PCs, manufacturers are adding touch where it’s not needed, and pricing those products way beyond what people want to pay.

Asking people to pay an inflated price for a feature they don’t actually want? Well, that’s not going to stop the decline of the PC now is it?

 

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... Elaborate advertising for sure. If this actually shows real people then this ruse is Orson Welles caliber hoaxing!
 

 

 

That was funny, but staged ;) .



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Meanwhile, over at Minimsft, comments are being moderated and the last comment (by anonymous) says: 

There will be no Microsoft Spring.
 
Winter is coming.

I think Who da'Punk (aka Mini) has given up hope.


Elaborate advertising for sure. If this actually shows real people then this ruse is Orson Welles caliber hoaxing!

Just for the record, the idea is not entirely "new" (prank with displays):
http://reboot.pro/to...elevator-prank/

jaclaz


... Elaborate advertising for sure. If this actually shows real people then this ruse is Orson Welles caliber hoaxing!
 

YouTube video

 
That was funny, but staged ;) .


Definitely funny and elaborate. It's a shame if all the people were acting though. I guess they just couldn't find anyone who believed it? Not a selling point for their TV! :no:

Check this out ...

The Saga of King Ballmer ( The Motley Fool 2013-09-05 )
 
Someone at NeoWin linked to this extremely well written novelette about the outgoing chair-thrower-in-chief ...

Two thumbs up!  :thumbup

EDIT: typo

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 08 September 2013 - 01:28 PM.

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Security News ... read 'em and weep ... again
 
 
Exposed: NSA's War on Encryption ( Maximum PC 2013-09-07 )
 

The documents accessed by the two media outlets reveal that, at the turn of the century, the NSA began pouring in billions of dollars into a furtive program codenamed Bullrun. Aimed at defeating online encryption, it stumbled on a major breakthrough 10 years later, in 2010, when the agency acquired the ability to decrypt vast amounts of Internet data that had been considered unexploitable up until that point. The fact that the agency has made great strides in its war against encryption is clear from an internal GCHQ memo which describes those briefed about the the NSAs eavesdropping repertoire for the very time as feeling gobsmacked.

The most worrying bit, though, is that the agency owes a lot of its eavesdropping capabilities to its success in secretively influencing tech companies to alter their product designs, "insert vulnerabilities into commercial encryption systems and weaken security standards. All these activities are part of the SIGINT (signals intelligence) Enabling Project, a program the NSA has spent around $800 million on since 2011.

 
Truth is, we knew even before 9/11 that most of the encryption ciphers were already being attacked through multiple methods. It is simply irresistible for mathematicians to NOT try to solve any problem that stands before them. Add in the bottomless money pit of a federal government and like peanut butter and jelly an institution is born. These articles really are about the alternate means to the ends, back doors and other things. I have no doubt that they are all compromised, every cipher, every protocol. What I want to hear from Snowden but so far I haven't is what has NOT been compromised. For example, has WinRar been coerced to build a back door? WinZip, 7zip? NTFS encryption?

 
Tor network vulnerable to NSA spying ( NeoWin 2013-09-07 )
 
Sure why not! Even if they can't do it from the outside we have seen from the other stories that they plant people on the inside. They've had 13 years to perfect their spy farm and get the agents inside. Even if they are found out the companies and non-agent employees would be banned from mentioning it. And since the government spends our money with impunity they could just buy their way in. The only thing that scares them is the potential now for new movement toward secure p2p comm and this is where the action is gonna be... someday.
 
 
Yahoo Dishes Out First Transparency Report ( Tom's Hardware 2013-09-07 )
 
Google Expedites Data Encryption ( Maximum PC 2013-09-07 )
 
I'm really beginning to think that there has been substantial erosion of customer base since the spy scandal has broke. Why else would all these companies be trying so hard to make it at least look like they are fighting for our privacy. It is definitely all window dressing though, and I'll bet the government(s) are okay with this show of alleged transparency and sometimes defiance.
 
 
Research paper: Windows 8 picture passwords can be cracked ( NeoWin 2013-09-07 )
 
Color me shocked, again! This is my shocked face --> :o  <--- again!

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Maybe it's because I have watched tons of X-Files, Millennium and Nowhere Man in the 90s, but strangely, I am not surprised in the least by all this spying. Not even the extend of it.

 

I think even prior 911 I wouldn't be surprised all that much by these revelations. Strange.

 

If one would be paranoid, one could almost think all these 90s conspiracy shows were a preparation for the things to come.



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The Saga of King Ballmer ( The Motley Fool 2013-09-05 )

 

Now THAT was funny! rofl.gifrofl.gifrofl.gif



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And the fun continues:

 

Privacy Scandal: NSA Can Spy on Smart Phone Data

 

The United States' National Security Agency intelligence-gathering operation is capable of accessing user data from smart phones from all leading manufacturers. Top secret NSA documents that SPIEGEL has seen explicitly note that the NSA can tap into such information on Apple iPhones, BlackBerry devices and Google's Android mobile operating system.

 

The documents state that it is possible for the NSA to tap most sensitive data held on these smart phones, including contact lists, SMS traffic, notes and location information about where a user has been.

 

The documents also indicate that the NSA has set up specific working groups to deal with each operating system, with the goal of gaining secret access to the data held on the phones.

 

Hmm, Windows Phone isn't specified. Maybe it doesn't qualify as a "leading" manufacturer... ;)

 

--JorgeA

 



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Research paper: Windows 8 picture passwords can be cracked ( NeoWin 2013-09-07 )

 
Color me shocked, again! This is my shocked face --> :o  <--- again!

 

Besides the fact that it can be cracked, the original idea is deeply flawed and the sheer numbers are pure bul*****.

 

How long is the sequence of gestures? 3 <- please understand how the mere fact that it is "fixed length" of 3 is already an useful info for "cracking".

How many different  gestures can you make? According to the math, around 1050 :w00t:.

1050^3=1,157,625,000

 

How long a password needs to be to reach the same complexity?

ALL CAPS -> a 7 character password gives 8 time that 26^7=8,031,810,176

All alpha -> a 6 character password give 19 time that 52^6=19,770,609,664

Alphanumeric -> a 5 character password gives roughly the same 62^5=916,132,832

All printable ->  a 5 character password gives 7 time that 95^5=7,737,809,375

 

Please notice the exclamation mark on the original article @Neowin:

http://www.neowin.ne...cture-passwords

So how many passwords can you get out of taps, circles, and lines? Using mathematical assumptions, one can obtain 2,743,206 unique combinations from 3 taps, 4,509,567 combinations from 3 circles, and 412,096,718 combinations from 3 lines. Combine all three together, and you've got 1,155,509,083 passwords!

 

I mean, WOW! 1,155,509,083 passwords! We are free from all evil!

 

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I do not care about icon designs, or resigns. When it comes to programming. All I care about if the **** thing could work on my 9x, and OS9 machines and still do the same **** job without invading my privacy. Not to burst anybodys bubble, Being gitty over the new Windows ( whatever it is called ) is a complete waste of time. I do not see the reason to deal with these newer OSes at all. ( Until I get to the workplace and that one program will not read my painstaken glory ). When I browse My documents, and etc folder my screen does not need to look like my Cable Box GUI. All I want to see is a list that is tight, readable and compact, so I can quickly browse through everything. I am not a five year old, clicking away at the music tones of the error Ding Ding Ding error sounds of 95. I am a big grown person who needs stuff to be done, Remember Bob ? I am sure somebody here remember the many variants of Bob. Bob was a fun thing, when computers were private, cool, and fun thing. But nowadays Newer OSes seems to be about collecting infromation on the end-user, creating a perminant record AKA a Criminal profile. Then using that information against people ( cough facebook, twitter, etc ). See what they are doing is making it easier for morons to use the touch screen ( AKA mouse interface all over ). interface. So that everybody can get addicting to touching. No more real keyboard, you know the type hackers, and real programmers were into. Everything is crap made for crap people. Remember the good days when you could zoom directly to a file, with a command, or quickly open and close windows, while taking a snap shot ASAP, and then jumping into your mail, in a blink of an eye. No more. Your going to have a whole new generation of slow minded computer users, who can't even think past the GUI.

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Microsoft reverses course; releases Windows 8.1 RTM to developers

 

"Microsoft is making the 'gold' Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 bits available to developers and volume licensees ahead of the October 18 general-availability date, after all."

 



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All right, at least one little bit of good news in this whole mess.

 

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The September 2013 issue of Smart Computing magazine has a feature on Windows 8.1, and I have two questions that I'm hoping somebody here will have the answer for.

 

1. Regarding Internet Explorer 11, the article says:

 

...IE11 also lets you have as many simultaneous tabs open as you want. And if you use multiple Win8.1 devices, you'll be able to access those tabs from any of them.

[emphasis added]

 

Question: How can other devices access the tabs that you have open in (for example) your PC? Does the information about what tabs you have open go to some kind of cloud database? :unsure:

 

2. Regarding the integrated local+Web search:

 

The new Windows 8.1 search tool is significantly enhanced. It's powered by Bing, and it gives you near-instant access to the Web, your files, apps, SkyDrive files, and more.

[emphasis added]

 

Question: Is it possible to change this search engine to something other than Bing? If I don't want Bing keeping track of my searches (especially of what I have in local storage -- MYOFB), can I do it via Ixquick or DuckDuckGo?

 

--JorgeA

 

 



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1. Probably because IE11 might just be a kind of local front-end to the actual browser, which should be running fully (or maybe just mostly) on the cloud... That means one can open some tabs on each device but all devices see all the open tabs, and one can also close anay tab on any of the devices involved, regardless of whether that particular tab had been originally opened on the selfsame device or not (and meanwhile any number of eavesdroppers from the many third-parties with access to that cloud might be inspecting what you do).

 

2. Probably not. Maybe Google, on afterthought.

 

Remember when amazon.com sent Animal Farm and 1984 kindle editions down the memory hole? And remember that all involved fully failed to see what was being done in Orwellian terms, at least until customers began to point it out while complaining? Consider that a (technologically primitive) prevue of what's to come... :ph34r:  



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So is this true that a Microsoft Account can only use a maximum of 3 IP addresses within a 24 hour period?

http://social.techne...-ip-daily-limit


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More on the story that TELVM just mentioned ...

Reversal: Windows 8.1 now available to developers via MSDN and TechNet, torrent leaks were the only option before this ( TechSpot 2013-09-09 )

Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2 RTM released on TechNet and MSDN ( NeoWin 2013-09-09 )

Backpedaling on a minor little thing though. TechNet is still dead and MSDN remains as expensive as always. Furthermore, while some are celebrating this little change, the real story is that thanks to their fast updating cycle "RTM" has been redefined to mean NOT-READY to release to manufacturing. There are more changes being developed post-RTM so what we have here is an ever-changing codebase that is anything except "frozen" as has been the case in the past. Windows is now literally a clone of chrome, both the OS and browser from Google. Well done boys!


Xbox suckiness ...

Xbox One dashboard previewed in leaked YouTube video ( TechSpot 2013-09-09 )

Ugghhhh! Microsoft's Metro tunnel vision (Metrovision ? ) on full display for everyone to see. I guess it's appropriate since one of the influences for the Windows 8 abomination was the Xbox dashboard in the first place. There is a video at the link but be warned that besides confirming that Microsoft has lost its mind by doing the unthinkable of blurring the two most opposite of computing platforms - game consoles and workstations, the YouTube author is just horrible at filming and should either be ridiculed into oblivion or hired at Microsoft. It sucks that bad, but I guess that is perfectly appropriate given the circumstances with Microsoft and her fanboys these days. Here is a screengrab to save you from going crazy watching this utterly ridiculous clip ...

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Windows 8.1: My Opinion Elaborated ( TweakGuides 2013-Sep )

Well written critique on the suckiness of Microsoft Windows 8 and related. Drives home a lot of points we made here over the past 4,000 posts in this thread and two years overall in the blogosphere. Two thumbs up!

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IT Solutions Provider Arkoon Vows Support for Windows XP After Microsoft's April 2014 Deadline ( Maximum PC 2013-09-09 )

Here is a company that will specifically support Windows XP beyond the Microsoft deadline. While I applaud their entrepreneurship, this is not what is needed for the greater community. These folks are just going to satisfy the sheep crowd that live under constant fear of hacker boogeymen exploiting some obscure flaw. What we need are OEM's to buck Microsoft and supply hardware and drivers for Windows XP. For that to happen the people need to become activists and contact them directly. Here is my personal recommendation ...
 

If you want to really make a difference here is what you can do ...

Call or write letters ( not email ) to all the involved parties. Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, AMD, Intel ( ... etc ). Tell them to continue supplying drivers for Windows XP and 2003 ( aka Windows 5.1 and 5.2 ) and NOT just Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 ( aka Windows 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 ).

Remind them that Windows XP accounts for fully 1/3 of all Windows installations. Here's some telemetry they can chew on: If they total up all of Vista and Windows 8 computers and then multiply it by four it is still less than Windows XP. Economically it makes no sense to support Vista or Windows 8. How would their shareholders feel about this sort of fiscal mismanagement?

Also mention that by following Microsoft's will they are complicit in their cynical planned obsolescence, willing co-conspirators with a convicted monopolist to obsolete perfectly working current hardware and future hardware. Tell them that you will be contacting your government representatives and asking them to once again punish Microsoft for predatory and monopolistic practices and will be suggesting that all collaborators should also be investigated and punished.

If we can get Intel to cooperate then AMD would jump on board, and vice versa. Recall how the news of potential future soldered CPU's got the "enthusiasts" in an uproar and AMD quickly responded by remaining committed to socketed processors. A day or two later Intel did the same, probably out of peer pressure.

They play hardball in their backroom deals, it is time for the customers to do the same.



AVAST: 96 percent of U.S. schools will be affected by loss of Windows XP support ( NeoWin 2013-09-09 )

Oh look, another fanboy FUDfest! By the way, this comment thread is a perfect illustration of the young age of the clueless NeoKids. In comment after comment they are busy criticizing school districts for not throwing away cash on Windows 8 garbage. Children simply don't understand the facts because their daddies are busy working and paying their bills. The fact is that school districts don't have any money at all therefore they don't pay for anything. We do! The taxpayers are buying this junk. Specifically it is the neighboring homeowners that foot the bills whether or not they have any children in school in the ifrst place. Education spending is the black hole of taxpayer budgeting and we are always screwed! This is what is so evil about the whole thing, especially the strategy of Apple and Microsoft to cash in on us, taking our money and yet we never actually get these products ourselves. They wind up warehoused in schools, abused and stolen and mistreated by kids that don't even need them in the first place. Let them eat pencils.

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More Security issues. Tom's Hardware is getting pretty good articles out there these days. These two are great recaps of the recent revelations reported in Der Spiegel which Jorge has mentioned ...

Online Security Pioneer Predicts Grim Future ( Tom's Hardware 2013-09-09 )

"The NSA has for years been capturing and storing almost everything imaginable," he told Tom's Guide, "including massive amounts of data exchanged among Americans who are not suspected of any crime."

[...]

Kocher also pointed out that cybersecurity in the United States does not exist in a vacuum. The NSA is hardly the only government organization that wants your data, or has the means to acquire it.

"The spying problem doesn't end with the NSA," he said. "Every intelligence agency worldwide wants the same material, and now they're all going to be benchmarked against NSA's known powers. There will be a huge pressure to catch up to NSA, and where this leads is not pretty."

 
That is an important point IMHO. While all these leaks have helped to educate us, they will have a profound effect on other governments spurring yet another arms race, this time over spying. The worst part is that they will watch and then notice that nothing has really changed over here and they will take that as meaning this is acceptible and ratchet up their own efforts. Hence, the point of this story and our "grim future".


How the NSA Gets Into Your Smartphones ( Tom's Hardware 2013-09-09 )

I was just wondering when Snowden would do something useful like specify some areas where the spooks are NOT able to penetrate ...
 

Amidst the string of impressive NSA victories is one surprising failure: The report in Der Spiegel seems to suggest that the NSA might not have an easy way into Apple devices.

However, according to the article, co-authored by Marcel Rosenbach, Laura Poitras and Holger Stark, "the documents leave no doubt that if the intelligence service defines a smartphone as a target, it will find a way to gain access to its information."

 
Lots more detail in the article covering Blackberry and Android also. For some reason WP is hardly mentioned. I wonder why?  :whistle: 

While Tom's Hardware is definitely NOT a fanboy site, it does get a clueless child every now and then ...
 

What is the deal with the NSA scare articles lately? If you people are suprised by any of this crap then you are years behind.

No one is looking to get into your phone, computer, bla bla bla unless you have something to hide. Anyone with any sensitive data has it encrypted onto a drive that isnt even plugged into a network. Cant hack into something that isnt plugged in.

 
That is an almost inexplicable level of ignorance. It's like Peak Stoopid. Notice that if you just change the subject from "government spying" to "Microsoft" then he sounds exactly like a MicroZealot or MetroTard. Ah, to be young and ignorant and foolish again.

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New details in how the feds take laptops at border

 

Aside from the other issues that this story touches on, the following excerpt caught my eye:

 

When he returned, two agents were waiting for him, including one who specialized in computer forensics. They seized House's laptop and detained his computer for seven weeks, giving the government enough time to try to copy every file and keystroke House had made since declaring himself a Manning supporter.

[emphasis added]

 

Correct me if I'm wrong (please!!), but this strikes me as improbable. Unless the laptop already had a keylogger installed, there's no way that even the NSA could reconstruct every (or any) keystroke the guy had input previously. And of course, if they did have a kelogger installed already, then there was no need to steal borrow confiscate his laptop, as they could simply record what he was doing.

 

What do you think?

 

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Edited by JorgeA, 10 September 2013 - 06:15 PM.


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Windows 8.1: My Opinion Elaborated ( TweakGuides 2013-Sep )

Well written critique on the suckiness of Microsoft Windows 8 and related. Drives home a lot of points we made here over the past 4,000 posts in this thread and two years overall in the blogosphere. Two thumbs up!

 

Two thumbs up indeed -- I'd give it five thumbs if I had that many.

 

There's so much good, insightful stuff in there that the entire three-part post would be worth quoting here, but I'll stop myself.

 

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So is this true that a Microsoft Account can only use a maximum of 3 IP addresses within a 24 hour period?

http://social.techne...-ip-daily-limit

 

Huh, it's hard to say. The question seems to be poorly worded:

 

We are having a hard time getting our students a Microsoft Account on their Microsoft RT.  It is giving us a limit of 3 per day.  Is there anyway to raise the limit.

 

Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but the way it reads, it makes me wonder why anbody would want more than even one single Microsoft Account on their RT (or any computing device), so why would this question even come up.

 

I must be missing something in the scenario.

 

--JorgeA



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1. Probably because IE11 might just be a kind of local front-end to the actual browser, which should be running fully (or maybe just mostly) on the cloud... That means one can open some tabs on each device but all devices see all the open tabs, and one can also close anay tab on any of the devices involved, regardless of whether that particular tab had been originally opened on the selfsame device or not (and meanwhile any number of eavesdroppers from the many third-parties with access to that cloud might be inspecting what you do).

 

2. Probably not. Maybe Google, on afterthought.

 

Remember when amazon.com sent Animal Farm and 1984 kindle editions down the memory hole? And remember that all involved fully failed to see what was being done in Orwellian terms, at least until customers began to point it out while complaining? Consider that a (technologically primitive) prevue of what's to come... :ph34r:  

 

Thanks, dencorso.

 

If you're right about No. 1, that would make the situation about as bad as I'd thought, and for the reasons that you describe. :angry:

 

I do remember when amazon.com removed (ironically) those books from customers' Kindles. That did serve (or should have served) as a general warning of the, umm, "possibilities" presented by this kind of technology!

 

--JorgeA






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