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Windows XP use drops fast; Windows 8.1 moves ahead of Vista in December's OS data ( NeoWin 2014-01-01 )



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NeoWin seemingly gets to gloat as Microsoft Tiles posts a minor gain of 1.19% while classic Windows versions fall 1.32%.

The detailed numbers follow ...
 

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Well, I was going to boast that I belong to an increasingly select group (Vista users), until I saw that according to the chart Vista usage actually increased from November to December! :thumbup

 

XP EOL refugees?? But Microsoft isn't even selling Vista licenses anymore, so how does this happen? (Maybe a statistical "margin of error" effect.)

 


One other footnote. NeoWin had this story hours before the actual statistics were available on the website. I did check, multiple times but only the November numbers were posted, yet NeoWin had already ran the article with a screenshot included. This means that NeoWin has some different access to this commercial company's data which indicates something is amiss.

 

 

Yeah, that looks a little weird. Maybe they paid for access to the data ahead of its public release.

 

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OFF-TOPIC ...Well, this is probably my last post until the latest snowstorm passes and God forbid any power blackout. Batten down the hatches everyone, if you are almost anywhere in the middle to east USA there is a major storm incoming. For us, we are expecting about 24 hours and at a foot of new snow. Unfortunately that's the easy part. It will be followed up with the coldest day of winter so far ... 10 degrees to -10 degrees high/low ( and yes, that is Fahrenheit where zero is actually cold ).

This kind of storm really sucks because it leaves a tiny window of opportunity to shovel all the white sh stuff before it freezes into solid Arctic ice sheets. Hours and days worth of time is pre-scripted in advance, and there is nothing you can do about it but accept it. Kinda like hurricane Irene when it was just sprinkling days before but you knew you had 10 inches of rain and flooding incoming on a timeline and you could do nothing about it. I hate winter!

Stay safe and see you on the other side of this thing, I hope.
 

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I feel for you. We're due for 4-8 inches from the same storm, but that doesn't compare to a foot.

 

Good luck!

 

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Here's a a printed excerpt from the conference presentation that set off this latest storm, with commentary:

 

How The NSA Hacks Your iPhone (Presenting DROPOUT JEEP)

 

What is perhaps just as disturbing is the following rhetorical sequence from Applebaum:

 

"Do you think Apple helped them build that? I don't know. I hope Apple will clarify that. Here's the problem: I don't really believe that Apple didn't help them, I can't really prove it but [the NSA] literally claim that anytime they target an iOS device that it will succeed for implantation. Either they have a huge collection of exploits that work against Apple products, meaning that they are hoarding information about critical systems that American companies produce and sabotaging them, or Apple sabotaged it themselves. Not sure which one it is. I'd like to believe that since Apple didn't join the PRISM program until after Steve Jobs died, that maybe it's just that they write sh*tty software. We know that's true."

 

Or, Apple's software is hardly "sh*tty" even if it seems like that to the vast majority of experts (kinda like the Fed's various programs), and in fact it achieves precisely what it is meant to achieve.

[emphasis in original]

 

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Edited by JorgeA, 02 January 2014 - 11:47 AM.


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Quite interestingly, yesterday I managed to capture this image with slightly different numbers:

 

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Even more interestingly  :sneaky:  , Neowin 'wrongly' uses the numbers in 'my' capture (6.65 + 3.5 = 10.15) :

 

 

"... Combined, the market share of Windows 8 and 8.1 is now at 10.15 percent, up from 9.3 percent in November ..."

 

 

Voluble things numbers are :whistle: .


Edited by TELVM, 02 January 2014 - 01:51 PM.


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Yeah, that IS interesting -- they quoted figures from a different reporting service's pie chart that shows smaller numbers for Win8.

 

Curiously, both pie charts put Linux usage at exactly 1.73%. So that must be the truth.  ;)

 

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Another reason to have your own stuff on your own hard disk, or media:

 

Steam Removes a Defunct Game From User Libraries

 

We (along with several other news outlets) missed this when it first happened, but apparently Valve did something back in September that it has never done before. After shutting down the multiplayer servers for Square Enix's Order of War: Challenge due to low traffic, Valve then went and yanked the game from user libraries on Steam of those who had purchased a copy. To the best of our knowledge, it's the first and only time Valve has done such a thing.

 

[...]

 

"The game was multiplayer only and the developer is now no longer hosting servers. However user's are complaining that it was removed because they were still able to play the game using tunneling software, such as Hamachi etc., in order to create online LAN-like environments. Now this is no longer possible, since they instead just removed the game entirely," Reddit user 'tsstssk' points out.

 

It's a brave new cyberworld out there...

 

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Not sure if we caught this back when the news came out, but here goes: another Windows 8 annoyance --

 

New Windows 8.1 requirements strand some users on Windows 8

 

Windows 8.1 fixes many of Windows 8’s most glaring flaws, but not everyone is able to bask in the bountiful new features. Owners of some older PCs have found themselves stranded on Windows 8, trapped by a subtle tweak in Windows 8.1’s hardware requirements. And beyond the irritation factor, the issue could have troubling support implications for affected users, as Microsoft has told Windows 8 users they’ll need to upgrade to Windows 8.1 by 2015 to continue receiving critical system updates.

 

[...]

 

That issue is Windows 8.1’s sudden need for CMPXCHG16b support in the 64-bit version. CMPXCHG16b allows for atomic memory exchanges. While modern 64-bit processors support CMPXCHG16b, some older hardware does not—but the requirement wasn’t a must-have for the 64-bit version of Windows 8. Trying to upgrade to Windows 8.1 on newly non-compatible hardware results in a message that your “CPU does not support CompareExchange 128.”

 

[...]

 

“It’s frustrating that an older but robust machine—one that can play modern PC games and run Windows 8 flawlessly—can be left behind after what is essentially a service pack release,” Sudderth says. Other forum-goers echo the same irritation. “I hope that I’m a rare exception, but I’m also concerned that Windows developers will target Windows 8.1 and leave me behind just as Microsoft did.”

 

The newly released modern UI Facebook app, for example, only runs in Windows 8.1.

 

And a reply to some MicroTard down in the comments section:

 

...I've been trying to upgrade to 8.1 since it came out and MS has NOT been helpful. They seem to be hunkered down and ignoring the numerous users in their support sites while those users struggle to find answers that aren't there. Users are getting sick of beta testing.

 

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The detailed numbers follow ...

As always reading the data, even if already smoothed/adjusted/whatever, gives some insight.

 

Who can now negate the great success of the April 2013 "Run your NT" initiative? :unsure:

Windows NT was in April 2013 a 0.11% (a dramatic 57% increase from March 2013 0.07%) and ramped up to an astounding 0.22% (please read it as a 300% increase) in May 2013! ;)

 

BUT let's take Dec 2012 "ALL Windows data":

0.00+1.72+0.05+0.01+45.11+5.67+39.08+0.04+0.04+0.00+0.00+0.00+0.00=91.72%

vs. Dec 2013:

3.60+6.89+0.00+0.00+47.52+3.61+28.98+0.03+0.09+0.00+0.00+0.00+0.00=90.72%

 

I.e. in one year MS Operating System (according to those data which BTW place Linux going from 1.19 to 1.73%) lost globally 1.00 % of "share".

 

That is evidently a success of the MS marketing strategies, and a clear sign of the appreciation that customers have for their products :yes:.

 

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... I.e. in one year MS Operating System (according to those data which BTW place Linux going from 1.19 to 1.73%) lost globally 1.00 % of "share".

 

That is evidently a success of the MS marketing strategies, and a clear sign of the appreciation that customers have for their products :yes:.

 

 

^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

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Yep, but with a more dragon-like face ;):

 

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Crazy thread on Techbroil with a Microsoft employee apparently:

 

http://www.techbroil...342518922817001

 

All that drama is about the "temp"-directory in Windows.

 

MS employees are surely persistent, as seen with their W8 shilling.



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Back to the usual Off-Topic :yes:, the new middle age (in the sense of barriers preventing the exchange of information and culture) is coming to the UK:

http://www.theguardi...ensorship-creep

http://www.newstates...was-always-plan

 

The actual "available settings" are IMNSHO:

http://bt.custhelp.c...,6680/related/1

besides being "too generic", also seriously outdated/out of the world, I mean, if "Nudity":

This category will block sites that contain full or partial nudity. The content blocked will not be necessarily be of a sexual nature. This will include sites where the main purpose is to advertise or sell lingerie, intimate apparel, or swimwear.

 

 is ON, a British kid won't be able to see this page (please note how the word "bondage" is in the url address, which is a pejorative ;), most probably including it into "Pornography" as well):

http://www.swimmer.c...ce-swimsuit.htm

or this one (which has "skull and bones"  which would probably be included also in "Obscene and Tasteless"):

http://www.decathlon...id_8270651.html

but will be able (of course) to see this one:

http://www.swimbrita...whats-involved/

which could actually deliver a message vaguely reminiscent of pedopornography :w00t: :ph34r:

 

 

Now, anyone may argue that good ol' p0rn should be blocked to protect the innocent :unsure:, but the issue here is where exactly is the limit to be placed,  

http://adrianshort.o...be-unblockable/

 

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Back to the usual Off-Topic :yes:, the new middle age (in the sense of barriers preventing the exchange of information and culture) is coming to the UK:

http://www.theguardi...ensorship-creep

http://www.newstates...was-always-plan

 

"It's for the common good, it's for our security. They're just censoring depraved things after all, ain't them? ..."

 

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Edited by TELVM, 04 January 2014 - 12:39 PM.


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"It's for the common good, it's for our security. They're just censoring depraved things after all, ain't them? ..."

 
Yep :yes:

They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.


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The detailed numbers follow ...

As always reading the data, even if already smoothed/adjusted/whatever, gives some insight.

 

Who can now negate the great success of the April 2013 "Run your NT" initiative? :unsure:

Windows NT was in April 2013 a 0.11% (a dramatic 57% increase from March 2013 0.07%) and ramped up to an astounding 0.22% (please read it as a 300% increase) in May 2013! ;)

 

BUT let's take Dec 2012 "ALL Windows data":

0.00+1.72+0.05+0.01+45.11+5.67+39.08+0.04+0.04+0.00+0.00+0.00+0.00=91.72%

vs. Dec 2013:

3.60+6.89+0.00+0.00+47.52+3.61+28.98+0.03+0.09+0.00+0.00+0.00+0.00=90.72%

 

I.e. in one year MS Operating System (according to those data which BTW place Linux going from 1.19 to 1.73%) lost globally 1.00 % of "share".

 

That is evidently a success of the MS marketing strategies, and a clear sign of the appreciation that customers have for their products :yes:.

 

jaclaz

 

 

As usual :boring: , yove've done a fantastic job of analysis the numbers. Very nice. :)

 

More evidence that Microsoft's strategy of pushing its users into a mobile platform hasn't exactly been a resounding success.

 

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Crazy thread on Techbroil with a Microsoft employee apparently:

 

http://www.techbroil...342518922817001

 

All that drama is about the "temp"-directory in Windows.

 

MS employees are surely persistent, as seen with their W8 shilling.

 

The conversation (from that point) was civil and reasonable until the guy jumped in with sarcasm and name-calling. I guess they figure they can't win based on facts or logic, so they yell really loudly and insult their opponents. In my book, that's an automatic disqualification and loss.

 

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Edited by JorgeA, 05 January 2014 - 10:54 AM.


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NSA won't say whether it spies on Congress

 

Not even elected officials are safe from the snoops! :rolleyes:

 

The permanent (and growing) bureaucracy is setting itself up for longterm domination of society by collecting as much actionable data it can, not only on citizens but also on the people who would be in the best position to rein them in -- members of the legislature. Because no one is perfect, at some point the NSA's growing databases will mean that everyone will be vulnerable either to blackmail that keeps him quiet, or to "exposure" that ruins him politically.

 

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Metro madness infects another major software vendor.

 

 

Whomever decided windows on the desktop should have no borders and look entirely different from the system theme (however bad Microsoft made it) should be demoted, IMO.

 

+1
But I think this is going to be a requirement from Microsoft going forward, especially if Microsoft eventually requires any program be installed through the Microsoft store.

 

Norton/Symantec has gone this way too, so maybe there is something to the idea it's Microsoft who's pushing it. Certainly customers haven't been clamoring for their interfaces to be uglified and dumbed down.

 

An idea that is entirely too reasonable:

 

Avast and other vendors should deal with this problem by having two versions of their product, one for the horrible Win 8 and touch screens and one for Windows 7 users who use a mouse and keyboard and need / want granularity and appropariate stale / themes. Avast had better get used to the idea that Win 7 users are going to be around until at leat 2020 and will go to another product who fulfills their needs if Avast cannot.

 

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The reasons for puttin' your stuff online just keep getting better and better:

 

Facebook Sued Over Alleged Scanning of Private Messages

 

Facebook Inc. (FB) was sued over allegations it systematically intercepts its users private messages on the social network and profits by sharing the data with advertisers and marketers.

 

When users compose messages that include links to a third-party website, Facebook scans the content of the message, follows the link and searches for information to profile the message-sender’s Web activity, violating the Electronic Communications Privacy Act and California privacy and unfair competition laws, according to the suit.

 

The practice compromises privacy and undermines Facebook’s promise of “unprecedented” security options for its messaging function, two Facebook users said in the complaint filed in federal court in San Jose, California.

 

Now normally I am more concerned about government snooping than about private company snooping: a private company "threatens" to offer to sell me something I might want, whereas a government can arrest me or worse. But then company tracking data can be subpoenaed by government and then used against me, which is why I've always said that the only safe online data is that which doesn't exist (i.e., no tracking). The following piece shows me that I've been excessively incautious in my assessment, as any more not even a subpoena is necessary --

 

NSA uses Google cookies to pinpoint targets for hacking

 

The National Security Agency is secretly piggybacking on the tools that enable Internet advertisers to track consumers, using "cookies" and location data to pinpoint targets for government hacking and to bolster surveillance.

 

The agency's internal presentation slides, provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, show that when companies follow consumers on the Internet to better serve them advertising, the technique opens the door for similar tracking by the government. The slides also suggest that the agency is using these tracking techniques to help identify targets for offensive hacking operations.

 

For years, privacy advocates have raised concerns about the use of commercial tracking tools to identify and target consumers with advertisements. The online ad industry has said its practices are innocuous and benefit consumers by serving them ads that are more likely to be of interest to them.

 

[...]

 

According to the documents, the NSA and its British counterpart, GCHQ, are using the small tracking files or "cookies" that advertising networks place on computers to identify people browsing the Internet. The intelligence agencies have found particular use for a part of a Google-specific tracking mechanism known as the “PREF” cookie. These cookies typically don't contain personal information, such as someone's name or e-mail address, but they do contain numeric codes that enable Web sites to uniquely identify a person's browser.

 

In addition to tracking Web visits, this cookie allows NSA to single out an individual's communications among the sea of Internet data in order to send out software that can hack that person's computer. The slides say the cookies are used to "enable remote exploitation," although the specific attacks used by the NSA against targets are not addressed in these documents.

[emphasis added]

 

One small bit of relief regarding this particular practice is that it's not (yet) a tool for continuous mass surveillance:

 

The NSA's use of cookies isn't a technique for sifting through vast amounts of information to find suspicious behavior; rather, it lets NSA home in on someone already under suspicion - akin to when soldiers shine laser pointers on a target to identify it for laser-guided bombs.

 

Check out the whole piece for additional angles and all the gory details. :realmad:

 

Finally, chew on this:

 

NSA seeks to build quantum computer that could crack most types of encryption

 

In room-size metal boxes, secure against electromagnetic leaks, the National Security Agency is racing to build a computer that could break nearly every kind of encryption used to protect banking, medical, business and government records around the world.

 

According to documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, the effort to build “a cryptologically useful quantum computer” — a machine exponentially faster than classical computers — is part of a $79.7 million research program titled, “Penetrating Hard Targets.” Much of the work is hosted under classified contracts at a laboratory in College Park.

 

[...]

 

A working quantum computer would open the door to easily breaking the strongest encryption tools in use today, including a standard known as RSA, named for the initials of its creators. RSA scrambles communications, making them unreadable to anyone but the intended recipient, without requiring the use of a shared password. It is commonly used in Web browsers to secure financial transactions and in encrypted e-mails. RSA is used because of the difficulty of factoring the product of two large prime numbers. Breaking the encryption involves finding those two numbers. This cannot be done in a reasonable amount of time on a classical computer.

 

[...]

 

Experts think that one of the largest hurdles to breaking encryption with a quantum computer is building a computer with enough qubits, which is difficult given the very fragile state of quantum computers. By the end of September, the NSA expected to be able to have some basic building blocks, which it described in a document as “dynamical decoupling and complete quantum control on two semiconductor qubits.”

 

“That’s a great step, but it’s a pretty small step on the road to building a large-scale quantum computer,” Lloyd said.

 

A quantum computer capable of breaking cryptography would need hundreds or thousands more qubits than that.

 

Our debt of gratitude to Edward Snowden grows on a daily basis.

 

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This is interesting ... remember the stories awhile back about the spook place being built in CA and how much water and electricity it needed to operate. Some people want to shut the supply off ... like that will happen but maybe there is hope for one "last stand".

 

I agree with you JorgeA on your comment ... Our debt of gratitude to Edward Snowden grows on a daily basis.

 

California Legislators Introduce Bill To Banish NSA

 

Bipartisan duo wants to cut NSA's utilities, ban research at state schools and impose sanctions on contractors

 

By Steven Nelson

 

January 7, 2014

 

http://www.usnews.co...l-to-banish-nsa

 

A bipartisan team of California state senators introduced legislation Monday that would prohibit the state and its localities from providing "material support" to the National Security Agency.

 

If the bill becomes law, it would deny NSA facilities access to water and electricity from public utilities, impose sanctions on companies trying to fill the resulting void and outlaw NSA research partnerships with state universities.

 

Companies with state contracts also would be banned from working with the NSA.

 

"I agree with the NSA that the world is a dangerous place," state Sen. Ted Lieu, the bill's Democratic co-author, said in a statement. "That is why our founders enacted the Bill of Rights. They understood the grave dangers of an out-of-control federal government."

 

Lieu said the NSA's surveillance programs pose "a clear and present danger to our liberties."

 

"The last time the federal government massively violated the U.S. Constitution," he said, "over 100,000 innocent Americans were rounded up and interned."

 

State Sen. Joel Anderson, a Republican, is Lieu's co-author. The California state senate has 40 members.

 

"I support this bill because I support the Constitution, our Fourth Amendment rights and our freedoms to live in the United States of America," Anderson said.

 

also ... from December

 

New Legislation Would Ban NSA From Arizona

 

http://www.usnews.co...sa-from-arizona

 

State senator says 'the NSA isn't welcome in Arizona unless it follows the Constitution'

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Edited by duffy98, 07 January 2014 - 04:44 PM.


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Win8.1 will get a larger Update later this year.

 

http://www.neowin.ne...-a-small-update

 

Let us see what it fixes.



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You cant even fart without the NSA knowing :unsure:

https://vine.co/v/hY2PPurVtxH


Edited by ricktendo, 09 January 2014 - 01:20 AM.


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Now normally I am more concerned about government snooping than about private company snooping: a private company "threatens" to offer to sell me something I might want, whereas a government can arrest me or worse. But then company tracking data can be subpoenaed by government and then used against me, which is why I've always said that the only safe online data is that which doesn't exist (i.e., no tracking). The following piece shows me that I've been excessively incautious in my assessment, as any more not even a subpoena is necessary --

 

Have you ever seen a 1776 "continental" coin?

 

continental_dollar_2obv.jpg

 

or a "Fugio" cent?

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Fugio_Cent

 

Wouldn't there be a reason if Benjamin Franklin designed it with the words "Mind you business" on it?

 

Coins or more generally money were the only "mass media" available at the time, that was essentially the first "large audience" message given by the Founding Fathers to their people, it must have had some meaning. :yes:

 

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Edited by jaclaz, 09 January 2014 - 04:22 AM.


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Very interesting about the 1776 Continental Coin ... I never knew that. So what did old Ben really have in mind ... good question. I can see it having two meanings ... but I don't want to touch on politics, even from over 200 years ago.

 

These coins or the logo should be minted again !

 



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... but I don't want to touch on politics, even from over 200 years ago.

 

Well, I thought more along the "philosophical" or "historical" side of it, as in "history repeats itself":

http://en.wikipedia....oric_recurrence

 

This document has always been for me a very interesting reading ;):

http://en.wikipedia....of_Independence

 

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