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I *love* that parody, Andre. It highlights everything that's wrong with Microsoft. The UI guys just have no common sense. All of them should be fired for turning Windows into an unprofessional toy OS. "Windows 8 Pro" in the name is a joke. The two editions should be called "Windows for super-dumb people" and "Windows for slightly less dumb people".

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Here's another good critique of the Metro UI that I found in my travels.

If for any reason you don't get sent to the intended post when clicking on the link above, it's the one by "psycros."

Metro on Windows is unpopular because its ugly, disorganzied and harder to use than the regular desktop. Its inarguable If you have even a sliver of objectivity. I cannot find one end user who wants to use it. Most of them say the same thing: "it looks like those stupid phones".

The mod's reply was pretty lame -- basically they're letting the tablet tail wag the desktop dog. And the comparison screenshots show how fugly the Metro-inspired alternative is, with those gaudy kindergarten blocks that moreover lack any textual indication of what they're meant for (what the heck is that "up" arrow??) . Bad, bad, bad.

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I *love* that parody, Andre. It highlights everything that's wrong with Microsoft. The UI guys just have no common sense. All of them should be fired for turning Windows into an unprofessional toy OS. "Windows 8 Pro" in the name is a joke. The two editions should be called "Windows for super-dumb people" and "Windows for slightly less dumb people".

+1

If you treat all people like imbeciles who can't handle a feature-rich UX, over time more and more of them will start acting like imbeciles who can't handle a feature-rich UX.

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New monthly stats and time for an update.

We've had Win8 betas since last September (DP, then the CP 4 months ago and the RP a month ago) so almost 10 months ago and its market share is still at 0.18% (or 0.09% according to w3counter)
The first Win7 beta was released in early January 2009.10 months later (Nov 2009) its market share was 4.06% which is a bit over 22 times higher.
Even if you're willing to give Win8 a 9 month advantage and count the release preview as the first and only beta (which is absurd in itself), then it still loses to Win7: Win 8 RP is a month old, and sits at 0.18%, whereas Win7 at 1 month old (Feb 2009) was at 0.22%...
By the time Win 7 RC1 was out (May 2009) i.e. 2 months before release, it was at 0.57%. Meanwhile, Win8 is at 0.18% and according to many sources (wzor, winunleaked.info, etc) it's mere days away from being RTM. it'll seemingly be annouced at MGX, which is May 17-20.

Meanwhile, the bad reviews just keep pouring in: Windows 8 tablet reviewers give thumbs-down to Windows 8 on PCs or 'No surprises' in Microsoft Surface tablet software Edit: also worth reading: Windows 8 Will Live or Die Based on The Start Screen

They've also made pirating significantly harder (no more shared keys like all pirates currently use) and they're also going to make licensing stricter for Technet subcribers. That's only going to slow down adoption of the OS further (not that it's worth using, even for free!)

Meanwhile, I keep seeing articles praising the new Apple stuff... especially about photography (and Photoshop CS6) on the new retina display (5.1 megapixel, LED-backlit IPS LCD, great color calibration and gamut, etc). I've wanted such a hi-res display for years and they finally made it true. Yes, they're expensive laptops, but not by a whole lot more vs the same class of "business" laptops (not that I need it), especially if you add to that the price of a similar display. I mean, even the $1400 Dell Ultrasharp 30" (and various other screens that cost up to $3000 like the HP MD301C4) only has 4 megapixels! That's good enough that I can carry it along with my Wacom tablet in a laptop bag and do serious photo work anywhere, without needing large LCDs screens sitting on a desk.
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Based on some Microsoft research, though, it seems you could be seeing more of the Windows 8 BSOD if you buy a PC from an OEM who's fiddled with the chip to make it go that little bit faster. Also, beware the temptation to buy a PC from an unrecognized PC maker.


What is this supposed to mean exactly? :blink:

Seems to me that this is just a jab at Windows 8 using previous OS data, but I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 8 would BSOD if you overclocked. What about underclocking? :w00t:
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I *love* that parody, Andre. It highlights everything that's wrong with Microsoft. The UI guys just have no common sense.


yes, I watch this video daily it is SO great :)

Looks like MSFT has panic that nobady buys Windows 8. Becasue of this MSFT starts a Promo when Win8 is RTM. You can buy theWin8 Pro as an upgrade for 39.99$:

We set out to make it as easy as possible for everyone to upgrade to Windows 8. Starting at general availability, if your PC is running Windows XP, Windows Vista, or Windows 7 you will qualify to download an upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for just $39.99 in 131 markets.


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Seems to me that this is just a jab at Windows 8 using previous OS data, but I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 8 would BSOD if you overclocked. What about underclocking?

That would be consistant with the backtime machine which W8 is. :D

If you treat all people like imbeciles who can't handle a feature-rich UX, over time more and more of them will start acting like imbeciles who can't handle a feature-rich UX.

No, Jorge, the PC culture is too entrenched in poeple's way of life that it won't happen.

The basic user who will try W8 the first time when it will be commercialized will be very different from the geeks who tested it relatively successfuly.
The basic user will not take the time to read 20 articles, instructions and will not know before hand what Metro is realy.
Their first reaction will be "what's that???". Very quickely poeple asking how to reduce Metro to the taskbar. Because that's the logical way poeple use computers nowadays: Everything is reducable to the taskbar for acessing what's behind.

If Metro was a resizable and reducable window, it would still have a chance to be accepted. Not under its current form since it breaks the very efficent 3D layers of usual Windows.
Metro asks users to remove one dimension off their mindset, from 3D to 2D, and this is radical and stupid at the same time.
Especialy since the 3D concept remains behind Metro.

No no no, poeple won't move to a 2D world while they always enjoyed 3D.

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yes, I watch this video daily it is SO great :)

It totally is. Now try having a drink every time he says app ;)
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/02/microsoft_research_pc_hardware_crashes/

Based on some Microsoft research, though, it seems you could be seeing more of the Windows 8 BSOD if you buy a PC from an OEM who's fiddled with the chip to make it go that little bit faster. Also, beware the temptation to buy a PC from an unrecognized PC maker.


What is this supposed to mean exactly? :blink:

Seems to me that this is just a jab at Windows 8 using previous OS data, but I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 8 would BSOD if you overclocked. What about underclocking? :w00t:


The article and comments do seem a bit rambling and unfocused. But I think one commenter there called GrumpyOldBloke has a good point ...

"May not be that simple. Remember the tilt bits and other DRM junk built into vista and above. What microsoft may be saying is that there are now so many checks, balances encryptions, decryptions and obfuscations built into their OS to keep everyone but the purchaser happy that it is now barely stable in the real world. One flipped bit somewhere and the whole thing comes crashing down."


I endorse this point myself. For all the talk of slimming down and less resources, the fact remains that there is a pile of newly added checks and balances starting in Windows 6.0, some of it a bone thrown to the Hollywood IP Mafia and little if anything targeting the end-users' benefit. Seriously, you cannot even count all the startup services and tasks on a fresh install (even before OEM crapware), perpetual disk indexing, and Restore Points created for every little Windows update (even a KB sized toolbar). The Event Log has never seen so much activity. Windows never rests anymore. By design, the CPU is essentially there to service Windows rather than the other way around. Having unexplained freezes or crashes or slow-downs is to be expected for those that (who unlike us) do not stay on top of everything and weed out all the garbage and non-essential processes. Throw in some dodgy video and/or printer driver and/or application suite that adds 75 new startup points and it's a miracle it runs at all.

One easy way to de-stabilize any Windows version is to blindly accept and install the Windows Live package of useless applications. Add this to a computer that is already operating in the margins with barely enough CPU cycles to spare, (e.g., Vista/7 on a single core), then you are right back to a dozen years ago when WinXP was taxing the less-than-capable (for WinXP, not Win9x or Win2k) current hardware.

It is illustrative to run a simple app like CALC.EXE on Win9x with no filtering under FileMon/RegMon (ProcMon does not work there) and then do the same on Win2K and then WinXP (with ProcMon). There is a dramatic increase in both dependencies and unrelated backround process activity between the two platforms. This does not improve from Windows 5.x to 6.x, it increases even further so that tens of thousands of events are recorded by ProcMon in a few seconds. And there are errors too. A few more iterations of the Windows platform and it will be untraceable and unmanageable for x86 software to run at all, at least reliably. Perhaps that is their plan anyway, to let it die, and then welcome us to their new walled garden of MicroApps (where they take a 30% cut and control the off switch). It's a brave new world.

BTW, didn't Microsoft miss a perfect opportunity here to re-design the BSOD, into a PPSOD, Pastel Pink Screen Of Death? :yes:

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No, Jorge, the PC culture is too entrenched in poeple's way of life that it won't happen.

Fredledingue,

I sure hope you're right! :yes:

Up above, xpclient described Win8 and Win8 Pro as,

"Windows for super-dumb people" and "Windows for slightly less dumb people".

I was using that as the starting point for my own comment.

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Team B&S managed to gather some media attention today ...

Microsoft will offer digital Windows 8 Pro upgrades for $39.99 - TechSpot

Microsoft Announces Windows 8 Pro Upgrade $39.99 Promo - Tom's Hardware

Windows 8 Upgrade Will Cost Just $39.99 - AnandTech

Windows 8 Pro upgrade to cost $39.99 until January 31, 2013 - NeoWin (Fanboy Central :wub: )

Windows 8 Pro Upgrade to Cost Just $40 During Special Promotion - Thurott (Fanboy in Chief :wub: )

(~yawn~)

Believe it or not ... that $39.99 price is for money you give to Microsoft ... not vice versa.

With this spectacular deal they are offering to wipe away your fully working Operating System, including the Start Menu, Aero Glass, colorful icons, custom Toolbars, QuickLaunch and Jump Lists and replace them with Windows 8 with Metro and expect payment for the downgrade. No really. What a deal.

And in keeping with the Microsoft tradition of clarity, if you read the articles, there is still some confusion between the various sites on whether Data/Files and/or Programs and/or Settings are in fact kept for XP/Vista users (also mentioned upthread). I just don't care enough to examine it further.

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BTW, didn't Microsoft miss a perfect opportunity here to re-design the BSOD, into a PPSOD, Pastel Pink Screen Of Death?

Don't tell me that you are still using BLUE? :w00t: :rolleyes:
I went GREEN a long time ago.... :whistle:

This should work since Windows 3.x and up to XP/2003:
http://www.kevinscra...ifferent-color/
http://www.petri.co...._bsod_color.htm

Please do appreciate the high level technology used :yes: , nowadays the good MS guys would need at least ActveX, .NET, 1 zillion entries in the Registry, setting file written in a XML file , two interdependent running services, a performance monitor, an event log connection and a few digital signatures here and there (and to change the setting you would need to impersonate Super-Hyper-Mega-TrustedInstaller :ph34r: ).

JFYI, the good Mark Russinovich - after an intiial hiccup - came out with a nice thingy (with help from Alex Ionescu :thumbup ):
http://blogs.technet...14/3374820.aspx
http://blogs.technet...11/3379158.aspx

So you can have your PPSOD even now ;).

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No, Jorge, the PC culture is too entrenched in poeple's way of life that it won't happen.

Fredledingue,

I sure hope you're right! :yes:

Up above, xpclient described Win8 and Win8 Pro as,

"Windows for super-dumb people" and "Windows for slightly less dumb people".

I was using that as the starting point for my own comment.

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I understand.

My point was that MS won't find so many dumb users for their Metro UI.
Even dumb users know what they want.

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No, Jorge, the PC culture is too entrenched in poeple's way of life that it won't happen.

Fredledingue,

I sure hope you're right! :yes:

Up above, xpclient described Win8 and Win8 Pro as,

"Windows for super-dumb people" and "Windows for slightly less dumb people".

I was using that as the starting point for my own comment.

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I understand.

My point was that MS won't find so many dumb users for their Metro UI.
Even dumb users know what they want.

Fredledingue,

Good point.

I guess that what I'm worried about is that new Windows users (those who start using Windows with Win8) might never get to experience the richness of "real" Windows. Because MS is treating all of its Windows users like children who can't (or don't want to) handle a more complex UI, these new users will tend to stay in a childlike, simplistic approach to computing. And then as a result, over time the idea of bringing back the Start Menu and Button will become less and less likely, because every day more of these new users will know nothing other than the Metro screen.

In that case, we will have to pin our hopes on more experienced Windows users (those who remember "the good old days") showing these newbies what they're missing.

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"The thing that really infuriates me is that it seems like Metro apps, and apps running in the normal desktop don't have any knowledge of each other, " said Forrester Research analyst David Johnson. "There's no easy way to navigate between them, and I'm not quite sure why that is."


Interesting point. I'm sure that others can think of more complex examples, but let's say that one of your live tiles (or whatever they're called) pops up some information that you would like to copy into an Excel or Word file-- is that possible, or not really? Is the info in live tiles "for eyes only"?

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Interesting point. I'm sure that others can think of more complex examples, but let's say that one of your live tiles (or whatever they're called) pops up some information that you would like to copy into an Excel or Word file-- is that possible, or not really? Is the info in live tiles "for eyes only"?

You must be joking :w00t:.
The intended procedure is:
  • buy a Microsoft digital camera (the thingy will be presented soon, it runs Windows 8 ARM ;))
  • take a snapshot of the screen
  • upload the picture to the cloud (MS cloud) through a paid for subscription (the MS camera doesn't save anything locally you must upload it to the cloud)
  • buy an OCR app at the MS online store (including the needed framework it is only around 3 Gb in size)
  • run it (in a Virtual Machine) and have it process the online image (that you have re-downloaded in the meantime, and that goes in a special folder that you cannot access, only the TrustedOCRService can)
  • the ouput will be an .xml file that will be, once stored on the cloud, re-downloaded and automagically converted to plain text using the MSXML2TXT TrustedConverter (another few bucks on the MS cloud store)
  • at this point you hit Ctrl+V, a small window popup will appear asking if you really want to paste plain text in an Excel cell (since the content is different from the cells immediately before and after) and you have to fill a form to guarantee that you won't sue MS if the result is not what you expect, digitally sign it and send it to the cloud, which depending on the speed of your connection and the status of the servers may shortly authorize the paste operation, log it both on your PC and on your MS account, and finally issue the OK to the TrustedKeyboardFilter to let the command go through

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The intended procedure is:

  • buy a Microsoft digital camera (the thingy will be presented soon, it runs Windows 8 ARM ;))
  • take a snapshot of the screen
  • upload the picture to the cloud (MS cloud) through a paid for subscription (the MS camera doesn't save anything locally you must upload it to the cloud)
  • buy an OCR app at the MS online store (including the needed framework it is only around 3 Gb in size)
  • run it (in a Virtual Machine) and have it process the online image (that you have re-downloaded in the meantime, and that goes in a special folder that you cannot access, only the TrustedOCRService can)
  • the ouput will be an .xml file that will be, once stored on the cloud, re-downloaded and automagically converted to plain text using the MSXML2TXT TrustedConverter (another few bucks on the MS cloud store)
  • at this point you hit Ctrl+V, a small window popup will appear asking if you really want to paste plain text in an Excel cell (since the content is different from the cells immediately before and after) and you have to fill a form to guarantee that you won't sue MS if the result is not what you expect, digitally sign it and send it to the cloud, which depending on the speed of your connection and the status of the servers may shortly authorize the paste operation, log it both on your PC and on your MS account, and finally issue the OK to the TrustedKeyboardFilter to let the command go through
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Excellent summary. :thumbup Traditionally we have a name for that design, Rube Goldberg machine, but perhaps now Ballmer-Sinofsky?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B17OvPYM040

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Giant Full Screen demonstration of Microsoft's vision.

Microsoft Windows 8 : No-one needs more than a screen of colored squares! (or 640KB of RAM)


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Interesting point. I'm sure that others can think of more complex examples, but let's say that one of your live tiles (or whatever they're called) pops up some information that you would like to copy into an Excel or Word file-- is that possible, or not really? Is the info in live tiles "for eyes only"?

You must be joking :w00t:.
The intended procedure is:

jaclaz,

I couldn't have put it better! :lol:

The procedure you describe is, of course, what Microsoft has in mind when they say "simplicity." A "simple" UI means it's harder and more complicated to actually DO anything...

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You are all making jokes but the issue is truely deeper than just added complexity.
It's Microsoft's deliberate ignorance of how we use computers and denying the most basic and most useful tasks: copy-paste and saving content on your hard disk.

First came the PDF format which prevented copy paste and editing.

Then Flash/YouTube made a second huge step in the entertainement consumer oriented IT and view-and-forget philosophy.

And now we have Metro which is one more attempt to make the the content basicaly visual and not written.
You are not supposed to save on disc or to copy paste from Metro.

what I'm worried about is that new Windows users (those who start using Windows with Win8) might never get to experience the richness of "real" Windows.


Yes this is a source of worry. IMO W8 will be too short lived for any effect to occure but we never know.

Now et's say poeple who have never used a computer before (but may have used a Metro-styled portable device) are accepting little by little the Metro interface and the market shares is growing slowly year after year. Some poeple eventualy buy computers only for its metro apps.
That would be horror.

But unless MS completely remove the desktop and creates Metro-only OS for PC, which is IMO what they plan to do, poeple will always know that the desktop exists.
They will also see other computers with desktops and so on.

Young users are intelligent and are always looking for new, better things, cooler things. They are curious and spread the word pretty quickely.
They will try Metro, find it's cool at first, then realize that there is something better beside Metro.

Teenagers are expert in P2P, digital camera uploads and other advanced stuffs we have no idea of. Kids before 10 are expert in finding free games online and already know how to avoid the pay traps and already know how to turn on a spam filter and to choose FF instead of IE or vice versa depending on the website without anybody telling them.
(I witnessed that in real life)

Kids will quickely find out how to work around Metro and decide that it succks because it lacks capabilities.

Also what do you mean by new users?
Today the first contact with a PC is at the age of, what, 3? A 3 years old toddler is unlikely to by a new PC.

Remains the elders, who feel that they need a computer, just they are not sure for what but everybody uses it.
But here again, the age of such person moves also to the oposite extreme.
Practicaly you need someone who retired from active life before computers where everywhere.
That means 80 years old or something.

They are more likely than kids to stick with Metro because it will be simple to use especialy with a declining vision, very elemtary needs and very low learning curve (as long as it works for what they heard a computer is useful for).
Metro somehow fits for very old poeple in some ways (in other ways like finding the invisible charms it makes it worse for them).
But it's not the demographic class which is likely to drive sales, buy new programs and new gadgets. Once they have their computer, they are likely to stick with it unchanged the rest of their life.

All the 90% of users in between will just see Metro as a sort of webpage over the desktop. Sometimes useful, sometimes annoying but always regarded as not the main thing on the OS because eveytime you step out of the 3 or 4 ultra basic actions on Metro you are back to the desktop.

I said that one of the first reaction will be "Why I can't resize windows in Metro" (And MS is already coming up with an erzatz of multiple windows on Metro)

Another reaction will be "Why I can't have metro app shortcuts on my desktop?"

MS will get mad when non-infrormed poeple will start asking stupid questions!

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It's Microsoft's deliberate ignorance of how we use computers and denying the most basic and most useful tasks: copy-paste and saving content on your hard disk.

First came the PDF format which prevented copy paste and editing.

Then Flash/YouTube made a second huge step in the entertainement consumer oriented IT and view-and-forget philosophy.

And now we have Metro which is one more attempt to make the the content basicaly visual and not written.
You are not supposed to save on disc or to copy paste from Metro.


There is deliberate ignorance, yes, but also a component of irresponsibility, as in 'with great power comes great responsibility'. In my opinion all facets of computers and technology, except for data, are expendable. Data is the only thing that matters and really is the only thing that carries forward through generations. It should be treated sacredly, not willfully destroyed ('reformat the system!' says Tech Support).

Microsoft first began to worry me when the tired but widespread HLP format was forsaken with Windows 6. Yeah there is a download to fix it (though in Win8 it is doubtful) but they were definitely trying to kill it. There is a lot of DATA, not just program help but statistical and historical data locked up in those files all over the world and no easy way to convert them. Expect the same thing to happen with CHM shortly which contain far more data. I am not saying they are perfect formats at all (far from it!), I am saying keep the viewers in Windows because that is the responsibility you have taken upon yourself by maneuvering yourself into a position of authority and of monopoly. Besides, they regularly support countless other far more obscure formats in many of their applications.

What worries me is the cavalier attitude they and many others display concerning user data in general. Deliberate data destruction through bad advice (reformat it!) or the usual planned obsolescence IMHO is a high crime of Computer Science, like a Doctor violating their Hippocratic oath. Their feet need to be held to the fire. If they fail to respect users' data or *any* data in general because of short-sighted marketing or profit decision-making, then something will need to be done.

Moving, as you say, to a content consuming model, which is really the Twiiterizing or Facebooking of Microsoft is the easy and lazy thing to do (but the WRONG thing given their unique position). It suits the empty-headed executives in Redmond and it also suits Wall Street as well because the talking heads do not care if Windows even works at all, just that the perception is good. When Microsoft begins layoffs in a year or two Wall Street will cheer again for their bravery and willingness to appease shareholders (but no discussion of the effect their incompetence has on the technological world that depends upon their products). Very few feedbacks will ever make it into the executive boardroom that concern quality, only quantity and perception.

The immediate problem I think is the undeniable envy, the Apple-envy and the Google-envy. As to which is stronger it is a coin-toss, but it exists and they are once again operating at a disadvantage, in full copy the enemy mode even though the window of opportunity will have likely closed by the time they get their footing. They learned nothing from the Internet and Netscape fiasco. In fact, the visible response was that horrific Channels thing on the Win98 desktop, a proto-Metro attempt at turning the desktop into an internet appliance. Almost nothing has changed! If they want to get out of the OS business (admittedly a very tough job) maybe they should just release the Windows XP or 7 source code as a gift to the world and step aside. If they are too cowardly to do that and insist on playing in this game they have to re-commit to their responsibility which is very large.

People out here like us, long timers with the various platforms, are probably the only ones who really care at all about data and the literal Operating System. Ironically I think we are the only ones that even care about Microsoft itself. So we have to use the few tools we have to be heard, criticize them, ridicule them, influence them, and ignore the fanboys, before they complete their corporate suicide and forsake the awesome responsibility of their position.

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what I'm worried about is that new Windows users (those who start using Windows with Win8) might never get to experience the richness of "real" Windows.


Yes this is a source of worry. IMO W8 will be too short lived for any effect to occure but we never know.

Freledingue,

Thank you, you have provided good and plausible reasons for hope! :yes:

You are all making jokes but the issue is truely deeper than just added complexity.
It's Microsoft's deliberate ignorance of how we use computers and denying the most basic and most useful tasks: copy-paste and saving content on your hard disk.

First came the PDF format which prevented copy paste and editing.

Then Flash/YouTube made a second huge step in the entertainement consumer oriented IT and view-and-forget philosophy.

And now we have Metro which is one more attempt to make the the content basicaly visual and not written.
You are not supposed to save on disc or to copy paste from Metro.

There does seem to be a progression there, no?

I remember one of the first annoying things I discovered about Windows (vs. DOS) was that you could no longer output a directory listing to the printer. Itr seemed like such an obvious function. Never did understand why MS didn't provide that capability. But eventually others came out with utilities to do that.

Fortunately, we now have PDF-to-Word converters, and things like YouTube Downloader to defeat that view-and-forget philosophy. With any luck, someone clever will find a way to hack into Metro and enable saving/copying from it onto their computer. And if they can't, then maybe that will help to hasten the demise of Metro (for the reasons you describe later on).

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A "nice" little translated article that explains how Metro is ugly.

That gorgeous picture of Windows Vista illustrates more than just beautiful UI design, it shows how Metro was designed by school children after lunch. :o

Edited by UltimateSilence, 04 July 2012 - 11:07 PM.

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it shows how Metro was designed by school children after lunch. :o

On behalf of IACDUIAL, the International Association of Children Designing User Interfaces After Lunch :w00t: , I want to signify how your statement is higly offensive of the professionality of the Members that have designed in the past and will design in the future MUCH BETTER interfaces than Metro. :realmad:

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Expect the same thing to happen with CHM shortly which contain far more data.


That ball is already rolling. In the ADK, there seems to be a bunch of info about how to create help files with HTML5. I personally love CHMs.
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