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Start8 now also brings the Win7 Startmenu back:


Features

Adds a classic style "Start" menu to the Windows 8 taskbar.
Includes support for:
View and launch installed applications (including Metro/Modern)
All Programs menu, quick links to commonly accessed folders (Documents, Music, Photos, Computer, and more).
Adds searchable Start menu options for Windows desktop applications, Metro/Modern applications, and documents.
Adds a "Start" button to the Windows 8 taskbar.
Automatically load directly to your Windows desktop on login (vs the start screen).
Pin favorite shortcuts directly to the start menu for easy access.
Includes support for "jump lists"/recent documents for recently accessed programs.


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http://stardock.com/products/start8/


I am already getting heart attacks unless fans reassure me that Classic Shell is still the best. I still believe it is but I am not sure others see it that way so I have entered depression. :no: :D Start8 has file search (although crappily done), jump lists, ability to launch Metro apps and highlighting of new programs. I envy it!



Wait untill Win8 Dials hoome and tells MS you are using that....

Won't surprise me in the slightest if ms un genuines your pc fr it.


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OEMs can't include something that is basically a Start Screen (previously Metro screen) replacement... aka some method of launching multiple apps, which is what Start Screen is meant to do. In addition, OEMs can't enable the Widget Bar. There is, however, nothing to stop anyone from making available a Desktop-style app that once installed enables the Widget Bar and puts that Start Menu thing on it. :whistle:

So, the difference is that Samsung or Dell couldn't provide it pre-installed on their PCs, but a third party could offer it over the Web. (I guess it couldn't be sold via the Windows Store, eh? ;) )

How about if among the pre-installed features and trial software that OEMs put on the desktop, they were to put an "offer" for a Start Menu replacement? Or maybe that's what you had in mind...

--JorgeA


Even Samsung or Dell could offer such a program download on their website, not just a third party (like Stardock)... OEMs would get into trouble by including such software, even it not installed, as some sort of trialware or whatever on a shipped system. The thought of a shortcut, opt-in option... OEM first run application (like ISP signup) that tells a user about the ability to use Start Menu replacers probably would be frowned upon, considering the amount of trouble Microsoft has gone to make sure even the apps from DP time wouldn't work... But I don't see any specific policy against that but I wouldn't recommend it. Play it safe I say! If your customer wants a Start Menu, give them Windows 7! :rolleyes:
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If your customer wants a Start Menu, give them Windows 7! :rolleyes:

AND don't forget to tell MS how you tried to provide a WIndows 8 but you failed and had to resort to a Windows 7 because the customer thought that the Windows 8 Metro Nameless Crap Interface sucks big.... :whistle:

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I am already getting heart attacks unless fans reassure me that Classic Shell is still the best. I still believe it is but I am not sure others see it that way so I have entered depression. :no: :D Start8 has file search (although crappily done), jump lists, ability to launch Metro apps and highlighting of new programs. And Start8 shows Windows' MRU list of programs, not its own. I envy it!

ClassicShell is great -- AFAIK it's the only program that allows you to re-enable lost features in recent versions of Internet Explorer. I'm using it in IE10 on my Win8 preview installs. :)

As far as the new Start8 capabilities... consider that a feature set to add to the next edition of ClassicShell! :yes: (Full disclosure: I haven't tried Start8. When they first came out it had the Metro look and so a different Start Menu replacement got onto my CP and RP. The DP I left alone to keep the full flavor of the Metro sh*t.)

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Even Samsung or Dell could offer such a program download on their website, not just a third party (like Stardock)... OEMs would get into trouble by including such software, even it not installed, as some sort of trialware or whatever on a shipped system. The thought of a shortcut, opt-in option... OEM first run application (like ISP signup) that tells a user about the ability to use Start Menu replacers probably would be frowned upon, considering the amount of trouble Microsoft has gone to make sure even the apps from DP time wouldn't work... But I don't see any specific policy against that but I wouldn't recommend it. Play it safe I say! If your customer wants a Start Menu, give them Windows 7! :rolleyes:

Thanks for the details, Tripredacus, I understand now. :}

I like jaclaz's suggestion -- MS probably keeps tabs on "returns" or downgrades like that.

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For NO apparent reason :w00t: , and clearly OT :ph34r:

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:lol:

besides the humour :thumbup , it is worth to notice the actual date the thingy was published:

posted 09.14.11



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More OT news :w00t: :

Tokyo Court Rules For Samsung, Says It Didn't Violate Apple Patent

http://e.nikkei.com/...831D3ZJF815.htm

Anyone :unsure: catching here:
http://www.bbc.com/n...nology-19425051

What was the crucial bit of evidence that made you give a verdict that was so decisive in Apple's favour rather than Samsung's?

As I have told others that have interviewed me, for me one of the most decisive pieces of evidence was reading the minutes for myself of a meeting that was held at a very high level between Google executives and Samsung executives, where it was for a tablet and Google was concerned that for the sake of their operating system that the look and feel and the methodology that they [Samsung] were using to create their tablet was getting too close to what Apple was doing.

And in the memo themselves - remember this was minutes - they stated that Google demanded that they back away from that design. And later there was a follow-up memo among themselves, these executives, and in black and white it says: we elect to not pass this information down to the divisions that were actually involved in the design.

So, from the sake of the engineers they went merrily along continuing their design not given any orders to back away. They knew nothing of that meeting. To me that kind of raised a lightbulb in my head that when I got in the jury room I wanted to read the minutes of that meeting myself.

the irony that ultimately the ones that first said that Samsung was copying Apple were the good Google guys (and that this is one of the key point of the jurors decision)? :whistle:

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Tokyo Court Rules For Samsung, Says It Didn't Violate Apple Patent

http://e.nikkei.com/...831D3ZJF815.htm


I think that jury decision (the California case) is looking pretty shaky overall. It is a prime candidate for overturning because of both the Judge and the Jury. The Judge is seen as an Apple puppet, and now the Jury is coming under scrutiny.

Apple v. Samsung juror: we "wanted to send a message" ( Ars Technica 2012-08-26 )

It is interesting to read through the many comments there. I think the love affair with Apple is nearing its end (Microsoft, take note).

So much of Apple's business is based upon temporary captive markets, walled-off as the result of lawsuits or the threats of them. The problem for this business model is that like everything, it is inevitable that the tide will turn and they will receive a string of losing court decisions, and hopefully Japan is a bellweather. Never underestimate the power of ill-will. They may be racking up a few victories but they are also accumulating a lot of resentment. They are not seen the same way today that they were just a couple of years ago. This global patent war, not just by Apple, is waking up lots of people I think to the realization that modern Patent or Intellectual Property litigation is now about freezing a market into one vendor without competition for an arbitrary period of time. Patents and IP have evolved into the exact opposite of competition, Apple (among others) has capitalized on this.

This is what bugs me the most about Microsoft moving in the direction of Apple. If history is a guide they will arrive late to this party and be on the receiving end of the backlash that Apple ironically cultivated. Microsoft is always late to any new market or model, and then they make huge errors playing catch-up, often failing spectacularly . There is a pretty good chance that by the time they evolve Windows into a walled-garden with a childish interface, the world will already have had its fill of it and reject them yet again. It would serve them right for their ridiculous Apple-envy.

EDIT: minor point clarification, and grammar!

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 01 September 2012 - 12:43 PM.

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A non-obvious idea ;)
Patented innovating technology
:thumbup

And an App exploiting it :unsure:
http://www.nosedial.com/whatis.html

The need for phone sanitizers might increase.... :whistle:

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Further discussion about the Samsung StartMenu'esque 'S Launcher' with a bit of pro-Microsoft spin ...

Samsung Start menu app shows why Microsoft is going its own way with Surface ( Ars Technica 2012-08-28 )

"As such, S Launcher is just delaying the inevitable. It might seem familiar to users, but it will in practice stand in the way of their ability to learn and use the new operating system. And even that familiarity seems superficial; a number of third-party Start menu applications are available, and they do a much more authentic job of replicating the Start menu than S Launcher does.

This kind of application is exactly why Microsoft is producing its own line of Windows 8 tablets. The company wants the Windows 8 user experience to be just so. Microsoft is working to ensure that it's right—to ensure that it's appealing, and works well without unnecessary impediments."


Bigtime comment war is still underway.

The author, Peter (not so) Bright is real late to the party apparently having only read the Mashable article without realizing all the other great, creative work under way from Tihiy's Win7 transplant to Start8 to ClassicShell, not to mention long running mods like RainMeter among others. Perhaps he should ask himself why we feel the need to modify every single Windows release (with increasing necessity) from its standard, official, OOBE look and feel. Lots of the fanboys actually do wonder about this phenomenon but for all the wrong reasons. IMHO it is because they are left scratching their heads wondering why they themselves feel satisfied with the default Microsoft-designed but Apple-esque captive structure, and they feel a bit left out like someone that didn't get invited to an important function and then go on a campaign to convince everyone else that they shouldn't go either.


EDIT: just wanted to add a hat tip to a great comment there from fung0, which I completely agree with. He says it much better than I have been able to, zeroing in on the real problem IMHO ...

"... The parallel here is with Apple, when John Scully took over. Steve Ballmer knows nothing about computing, and cares even less. This shows in the decisions he's making. Win8 represents a total abandonment of all the core philosophies that made Microsoft dominant in the computing world. Gates played business hardball, to be sure, but he knew technology, and how best to exploit it. Ballmer knows dollars and cents, and nothing more. If his vision meets with even moderate success, he'll continue to turn Microsoft into a company that acts more and more like Apple, but lacks Apple's technical and design expertise. That's the worst of all worlds.

Furthermore, having cross-licensed everything with Apple, Microsoft can sit back while Apple sues all competition off the playing field, potentially leaving us with a duopoly of tightly-closed platforms. This is not a future I want to live in. So my resistance to Win8 is based only partly on the fact that it's needlessly ugly and awkward, and mainly on the fact that it's a signpost to a place I'd rather not go.
A place that even Win8 supporters, if they thought about it at all, would probably prefer not to end up."


I would only add one thing to that quoted comment, and that is that their status of near absolute monopoly on existing desktops and many laptops, plus their power to make deals with OEM's for new systems brings the antitrust issue to light when Microsoft even considers leveraging their unique position, the issues of trust, ethics and responsibility. There are many, many problems with this 'new' OS, not one single issue. Some are about usability for novices, some are about cost to the corporate environment, but one of the biggest is the direction towards a closed market and IMHO this must be fought at all costs. We cannot let them become Apple. I would have thought that this would be simple enough for even the anti-Apple pro-Microsoft fanboys to understand.

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 01 September 2012 - 02:25 PM.

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Microsoft expert testing W8... :D
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Microsoft expert testing W8... :D

Posted Image okay, now that's funny right there!

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That is horrible!

But I bet that monkey (or is it ape, I call them all monkey?) can do better than me!

BTW, I was using Windows 8 quite a bit this week. Rather than figure out "how to get there" I just used the Run commands... Control, devmgmt.msc, etc.
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@ Fredledingue :thumbup

Here (scoop! :w00t: ) is a screenshot of the new MS advanced training program (Lesson #2: identifying objects by their shape and colour and recognize simple English words)
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and the effects of the first Windows 8 Virus :ph34r:
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Here is one that I haven't seen mentioned yet. See if you can figure out the author!

Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - Start: The Windows 8 Era Begins

"Windows 8 is a mess, but it’s a glorious, wonderful mess. It’s the technology equivalent of a gooey ice cream cone on a humid summer day, where half of it just drips down over your hand, and you couldn’t care less because the whole experience is so wonderful. For all the whining, hand-wringing, and ivory tower opining over Microsoft’s decision to wed an awesome new mobile platform with its superior desktop OS, few of these critics ever paused for a moment to consider an awesome possibility: This time, more really is more."


He uses the following picture as the top image at the article. It really sums up every possible nightmare imaginable crammed on a single screen. Everything from the wallpaper, to the colors, to the spacing and size of the tiles, but especially the icons. I've long said that this is a cluttered mess that makes the competitors look good. If you have this on a WP right next to an Android and iPhone, undecided impartial people are not going to choose it ...

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He certainly has fulfilled his role as Head Fanboy in Charge. He goes on and on about the "genius" of mixing Metro and the Desktp into the same release, stating it is such a brilliant move because it would fail on its own ...

"But this strategy would have failed, just as Zune failed in the MP3 market despite its many advantages over the iPod and iTunes. By melding Metro to the desktop, Microsoft ensured that hundreds of millions of people—not thousands, not millions, but several hundreds of millions of people—would be using this system within the year."


... naturally passing right over the ethics and antitrust issue of leveraging their monopoly position in such a dramatic fashion. He carefully avoids our worries of the closed Apple-model as well even though other high profile people are speaking up about it. Such thoughts can not even enter a Fanboy's mind, and it will likely be their undoing eventually. What he is essentially doing is putting a smiley face on the whole thing. He is well past 'Fanboy' to be sure, he is actually an enabler. He should just write: 'We wanna be like Apple too! Go Microsoft!'.

There is much more to read there (these are small excerpts), needless to say he in positively enthralled. In fact he is so giddy (or high) that it has gone straight to his head allowing him to say the following, and it's a doozy ...

"And if Metro does take off, Windows will surely be better for it. This is a hard pill for some people to swallow, and I know that what you’re about to read will not be popular in certain circles, but please take this with the understanding that I’ve written it as a diehard, confirmed desktop PC user. The desktop must die. And it must take all of the bad stuff that comes along with the good—the malware and viruses, sure, but also the complexities, reliability issues, and so on—with it. These types of technology changes are difficult, and often time consuming. But with each new generation change, some old, out of date technology is lopped off too. And the move to Metro/Windows RT will be the biggest exorcism of technological deadwood yet."



Uh, huh. Deadwood ya say? That so-called deadwood of independent software is what brought Microsoft here in the first place. So did the open architecture and the fact that anyone could become a programmer without Microsoft's blessing and approval. Move from multitasking in multiple layered Aero Glass effected windows to Retro 8-bit color Playskool dual-tasking child interface? For real? Not a chance.

I think this is important: Having earlier admitted that this move would fail in a standalone release so it is good to force it on the existing user base (through OEM pressure for new machines) , and finishes with 'the desktop must die', leaving Microsoft with their walled garden and expanded monopoly from desktops to everything else (a bigger monopoly), with 3rd party authors subservient to Redmond. ... Just put it all together: ... He has stated exactly what many of us have said - to which we get called tinfoil conspiracy theorists. This is war now.

If you haven't guessed yet, here is the author, drum roll please ....

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Microsoft Windows 8 : Generating Publicity ( One Fanboy at a Time )



EDIT: typo, updated image URLs, and again

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 06 May 2013 - 06:31 PM.

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Wow... if Paul Thurrott had the ability to read this a decade... even just five years ago, I bet he'd have quit being a paid shill for Microsoft and all pretensions of being a 'Tech Journalist' or thrown himself off a bridge...

Yuck...

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Edited by hoak, 02 September 2012 - 09:18 AM.


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I JUST CANNOT TOLERATE THAT PARROT! HE IS JUST UNBEARABLE. THIS SAME PARROT WAS CRITICIZING VISTA MORE, WHEN IT WAS QUITE SPECTACULAR IF YOU COMPARE IT TO WINDOWS 8. HE'S WORSE THAN A SHILL, HE'S REALLY HEAD FANBOY IN CHARGE. ALL THE OTHER AT FANBOY CENTRAL FOLLOW HIM. :angry:

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This is the sort of thing that can happen when your vendor controls, from its central servers, the things that you may do with the hardware that you paid good money for: they can take away features and capabilities at will, and your preferences count for nothing.

Thurrott doesn't seem to have put 2 + 2 together. Zune is the kind of "walled garden" approach that MS is pushing on everyone with Windows 8. Does he really wish for PC users -- himself included -- to be at the mercy of The Powers That Be??

A disappointing turn for Paul. He was a Win8 booster at first, then he seemed to show the ability to actually think about its implications, but now he's gone back to full-fledged fanboyhood.

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P.S. A relevant observation in the comments section for the article linked above:

Good luck selling anything in the future if you are going to dump it in a couple years and leave your customers no alternative for their exisitng investment. Windows Mobile 6.5---I have one of those phones which is now only about 2 years old. Windows Phone 7--have one of these soon-to-be orphaned phones, too. Zune HD---soon to be paperweight. I'm looking into Spotify.


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As I see it this part is senseless not because it is in anyway "wrong" :w00t: , but because it is essentially an "act of faith" (without having any real world signs that what would be a good move actually is one):

The desktop must die. And it must take all of the bad stuff that comes along with the good—the malware and viruses, sure, but also the complexities, reliability issues, and so on—with it. These types of technology changes are difficult, and often time consuming. But with each new generation change, some old, out of date technology is lopped off too. And the move to Metro/Windows RT will be the biggest exorcism of technological deadwood yet."



Let's see in detail:

The desktop must die.


this is a wish, and a good one IMHO, in the sense that when and if someoine will provide us with something that is actually better than the desktop, I am pretty sure everyone will embrace the new technology.
But untill the thing that should replace it is a monkey training toy, or Metro NCI, this is unlikely to happen.
The logic fallacy is evident, the syllogism "new=better" has been proved right many times, but as many times it has been proved wrong.
The further implied "if you don't embrace this new technology then you are senselessly conservative" is of course m00t, the actual senceful sentence being "if you don't embrace this new technology, that is evidently and proven to be far superior to the preceding one, then you are senselessly conservative" may have of course it's merits, but the actual evidence of the pretended superiority is far from being clear and surely not proved.

Next sentence is even worse, another good wish:

And it must take all of the bad stuff that comes along with the good—the malware and viruses, sure, but also the complexities, reliability issues, and so on—with it."


It is more along the lines of "I have a dream....", there are AFAIK not any particualr improvements regarding malware or viruses (and even if there are they will be worked around in no time) nor in anything that by sheer magic will make complexities vanish or make the thingy in any way "more reliable".
Now if the proposal was to throw away what essentially is a NT system with a design going back to the early 90's with an entirely new archtecture/codebase, let's say a Real TIme OS like (example) QNX:
http://www.qnx.com/
and/or tools like (other example) ERLANG:
http://www.erlang.org/
that would be something we could actually talk about, but applying a (crappy) interface to (actually forcing it onto) a substantially "traditional" OS and call it "new" (I mean from the point of security/complexity/reliability) it's evidently a false statement or, in the best case an idealistic wish.

This is instead (while still being a "wish") pure "bull§h**":

These types of technology changes are difficult, and often time consuming. But with each new generation change, some old, out of date technology is lopped off too. And the move to Metro/Windows RT will be the biggest exorcism of technological deadwood yet."


Noone (here or elsewhere) is afraid of changes, but of course if the change is "for the better".
Our own lives were revolutionized by the Facsimile, by the PC, by Internet, by the Mobile Phones, and we glided across these large technology shifts without a hitch (just like our grandfathers or grand-grandfathers glided across the changes connected to inventions like the Telegraph, then Radio, Cars, Telephone, Airplanes, Television and what not), adapting and learning new ways.
It won't be difficult at all for us to learn how to use a "designed for 5 years old" interface, we learned from thin air how to deal with BASIC, and then with DOS and UNIX, do you really think that this change will be a problem for us? :unsure:
There is nothing "revolutionary":
http://www.merriam-w...y/revolutionary
in Windows 8, nor in it's new crappy interface, no "technology change" at all.

It reminds me of motorbikes (mopeds), a modern 50 cc engine can have without an issue 8 HP's or more (please read - for politically correctness - 5.968 kW or more ;)) and a bike made with it can easily have a max speed of 60 or 70 km/h, but in order to be registered as "moped" (in Italy) and thus allowed to be driven by 14 year old kids, they must:
  • have at max 4 kW
  • have a max speed of 45 km/h
what the industry does is simply to "dumb down" (usually by "capping" the intake) a bike (by itself capable of much better performances) in order to comply with the Laws and fulfill the requests of this market.

Now, it makes a lot of sense for a moped you give to a kid, the fact that the "original" bike was designed for higher speeds means indirectly that it will have better brakes and handling and thus it will be safer at lower speeds when compared to a "strictly designed as moped" competitor, and it is senceful that the kids will have some time learning to drive at a "forced" lower speed.

But usually, you don't look at mopeds as the source for innovation....:whistle: and I have seen very few people getting one of these ;):
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and have it "capped" because it goes too d@mn fast.... :angel (or have an automatic gearbox fitted to it because it thus becomes easier to drive)


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Thurrott doesn't seem to have put 2 + 2 together. Zune is the kind of "walled garden" approach that MS is pushing on everyone with Windows 8. Does he really wish for PC users -- himself included -- to be at the mercy of The Powers That Be??

In this case, I'd rather say: 'The Powers That Shouldn't Be'...

Noone (here or elsewhere) is afraid of changes, but of course if the change is "for the better".

It seems to me, even those that have become the most cynical of Windows 8 enthusiastically embrace change and novelty, even when it's not necessaries an improvement -- but doesn't come as a detriment to practical considerations like performance, productivity, security -- or summarily results oriented use of a PC.

Most of the cynical Pundits (that I know of) were enthusiastically curious about Windows 8, hoping that the 'Metro thing' might be a brilliantly designed TWM, perhaps inspired by Microsoft's Surface R&D (the coffee table not the tablet product)... Instead we got a lobotomized interface that's like something out of Idiocracy or The Marching Morons...

I wonder how many that are still enthusiastically embracing and gushing over Windows 8, that don't use a PC as a passive consumption toy, will feel the same a few months from now... At least one Journalist has enough integrity to say he doesn't see the Emperor's New Clothes...

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Edited by hoak, 02 September 2012 - 03:31 PM.


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Dvorak column related to the previously mentioned Thurrott piece ...

Hip Hip Hooray for Windows 8! ( PC Magazine 2012-08-31 )

This is kinda funny because he is directly criticizing Thurrott for his embarrassing display of fanboyism while refusing to call him out by name!

"I can't figure out how Microsoft always gets so many cheerleaders to root for its new operating systems, but it somehow manages to do so. The cheers are beginning in full force and will continue unabated until the release of Windows 8 into the wild in October.

If the OS doesn't take off like a wildfire, then everyone will backpedal. As my readers know, I side with the critics of the product because I am not a fan of the Metro interface.

I am not going to name names because writers do not diss other writers unless they want an everlasting blood feud. Who needs the aggravation of that, especially when they are pandering to Microsoft? This rallying for Windows 8 spun out of control when some "objective" writers actually claimed that it is the greatest product ever. Then they finished with, "I can't wait!""


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now the comments over there are just plain wicked as they are having strokes and heart attacks over Dvorak's relatively tepid ant-Metro opinion. PC Magazine has really been unlucky to attract so many fanboys, they are probably 2nd only to NeoWin for hosting the largest collective of MicroBorg in comments. All criticism of Microsoft is instantly chalked up as pro-Apple followed immediately by a barrage of foul comments! I mean instantly! Even Dvorak is accused even though he has been writing PC articles since the 1980's. Doh!

Anyone old enough to remember those days might also notice this amazing role reversal where today, we PC users now have tons of irrational anti-Apple pro-Microsoft fanboys who are every bit, no, even worse than the Apple fanatics in the 1980's. Back then the PC user was the calm conservative DOS user and had Charlie Chaplin as a mascot in some famous PC commercials. The Mac user was snooty, arrogant and often cheered the incessant attack ads against the PC aired by Apple. PC users really had no choice but to tolerate the situation. That was the way I remember it anyway. In a nutshell, we PC users learned to despise Apple, more than the users, because of their insulting and ridiculous commercials drumming up an overblown competition ( long before 'I'm a Mac, I'm a PC' ). Personally, I was just fine with the users, mostly artists and musicians who were too busy doing their thing to be worried about the PC vs. Mac war. But the Apple fanboys who were outspoken still couldn't hold a candle to what I see now from these MicroFanBoys. So somehow it has become completely reversed. The strange twist is that these new ones are rabid and irrationally targeting both Apple and PC users!

There seems to be this common theme, a meme that says: "Microsoft MUST be successful in the mobile market or else! And we must embrace whatever they decide in order to accomplish this". I have read enough to believe that this is official policy within the halls of Redmond. But what I would really love to know is exactly how this spread so far and wide because not all of these rabid dogs can be employees. Common sense suggests that it not a point of view that an average user would arrive at purely on their own. There really is an interesting story here yet to be written. I have a strong suspicion that somewhere around the Vista fiasco ( when they allegedly learned their lesson ) a large-scale astroturfing project was initiated. I admit I am only guessing here, no evidence whatsoever, but it might have involved recruiting bloggers and forum lurkers as a kind of Fifth Column perhaps paying with Xbox coupons or Windows licenses or whatever.

I hope that someday soon, some hard information gets out of Redmond so we can really know the truth.

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I'm only guessing, but a lot of this to me looks to be motivated by abject fear; just as we saw with the death of print journalism. I think what we're seeing is the panic fostered by FOSS and the low cost commodification of computing at every level; hardware, OS, enterprise products and services, and even journalism -- against a backdrop of really scary global economics... Hence the bizarre incessant attempts to 'psych up the retards for the trip to the zoo' -- these people know where their bread is buttered, can see and are fearful of the day when it all dries up. Anyone that imagines the Vole is too big, fat, and rich to fail only needs to look at history for a litany of enterprises larger in scale and more flush in the relative economy of their time, and far less reckless and arrogant with even greater resources for continued success that took the long hard fall...

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I just came across a new method for skipping past the Metro screen when booting Windows 8.

The blog post says that this works when "logging in" to Windows 8, but a commenter says that it also works when you launch Windows 8 from scratch.

I have confirmed that it does work in the Developer Preview. (Sorry, I'm too lazy to uninstall my automated methods for bypassing the Metro start screen in the Consumer and Release previews. :) ) Keep the Enter button pressed down, and after a few seconds the Desktop is the next thing to appear on your monitor after the login screen.

Just make sure to have the Desktop tile as the top left item on your Metro screen, otherwise you might find yourself in Metro IE10 or... the Windows Store. :ph34r:

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P.S. One note about IE10: When I booted into the DP to try out this manual method for going straight to the Desktop, I got a notice from Adobe that a new version of Flash Player was available. Clicking on the button to update took me into Metro IE10, which (as I suspected) then would not accept the Flash Player update. But even launching regular IE10 and visiting the Adobe website, I still could not download the updated Flash Player by selecting the "Run" option. It refused to finish the download, no matter how many times I hit "Retry." It was only after I chose "Save" that I was able to complete the download and then install the Flash Player update.

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I'm only guessing, but a lot of this to me looks to be motivated by abject fear; just as we saw with the death of print journalism. I think what we're seeing is the panic fostered by FOSS and the low cost commodification of computing at every level; hardware, OS, enterprise products and services, and even journalism -- against a backdrop of really scary global economics... Hence the bizarre incessant attempts to 'psych up the retards for the trip to the zoo' -- these people know where their bread is buttered, can see and are fearful of the day when it all dries up. Anyone that imagines the Vole is too big, fat, and rich to fail only needs to look at history for a litany of enterprises larger in scale and more flush in the relative economy of their time, and far less reckless and arrogant with even greater resources for continued success that took the long hard fall...

:ph34r:

So, in your view, what they're hoping to do for salvation is to convert the commodified PC market into a closed system like Apple, where customers will eagerly pay premium prices for far-from-extraordinary devices. (As you can tell, I'm no fan of Apple... especially after our latest wrestling match with iTunes.)

That's a very interesting theory!

Maybe with (some) individual consumers, but I can't see serious users, enterprises, or IT folk rushing to get into jail Windows 8. So my suspicion is that MS's strategy is flawed. They're running the risk of destroying their success and dominance in the serious PC market for the chimera of cool.

Just to make sure there's no confusion... note that I'm not questioning the validity of your theory -- what you say makes a lot of sense to me. I think you're right that this is MS's strategy. I'm just questioning the worth of their strategy.

--JorgeA

Edited by JorgeA, 03 September 2012 - 06:10 PM.





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